Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school

[livingston]

More on the Uvalde door that didn't lock​

Allahpundit already covered the initial release of news of yet another moment in the Uvalde school shooting timeline that turned out to be completely wrong, so if you haven’t heard about this yet, go read that first. The school district police (who are no longer cooperating with state investigators or answering requests from reporters) had stated repeatedly that the shooter entered through a door that had been left propped open with a rock by a teacher. She allegedly did this because she was carrying in some food from her car.

More on the Uvalde door that didn't lock

Allahpundit already covered the initial release of news of yet another moment in the Uvalde school s

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[Defilade]

 

[That_FNG]

 

[Acer-m14]

who were the shooters at .. i think it was Kent State .. i think it was the the Govt ..

 

[spat]

Plus, ever notice that MOST of all these school mass murdering events, that happen to use guns, occurred after that 1994 gun reform, assault weapons ban?? From Colombine and after, have all happened after the strictest gun laws have been implemented.

It is a degeneration of society, and proper morals, that seem to be the root cause, not guns.

It happened after Biden's "Gun free school zones act" was passed.

Even if they can't get it repealed, the Republicans should get a resolution passed to rename it the "Biden turned our kids into sitting ducks act"

 

[NYCGuy]

Forgive me if this was mentioned already, i havent read every post in this thread. There is no such thing as a simple solution, but there can be a solution to this mass school murdering sh#t. Instead of the typical Politicians using this tragedy for agenda, and focusing on guns themselves, the focus should be on SCHOOL SAFETY!!!

We have the "blueprint" already in this country. Federal buildings and or buildings that have courtrooms, have an armed guard, metal detector, and bag scanner, at the in and out entrance and exit. We are used to this, its not a big deal, and it works.

Why cant the Politicians pass a federal mandate that all schools have the same system as all government buildings, and or courtroom buildings? Have it done on a County, state, and finally federal level. I am SURE there is money in the Board of educations budget to have a metal detector, belt bag x ray scanner, and at least 1 armed guard, and the schools already in place guards.

Lots of schools already have metal detectors, lets make it mandatory for all schools. Those libtards that may say, "I dont want my child going to school in a prison", will need to be told, its NOT a prison. Nobody is locking the children in cages, or hosing them down naked. Nope, its using already in place blueprints, like the entrance and exits of government buildings, for our schools.

That would protect the children instantly.

Because the cowards would then just spray school buses someone said.

 

[OwenP]

Not sure, but I believe he was assigned to the high school and may during the course of the day checked on the other schools.
Still training for active shooter means you go after the shooter until you are incapacitated.

That was my understanding as well

 

[99cummins]

 

[SonOfSun]

If things keep playing out like here in Texas we really should defund the police. If they aren't going to do anything why bother having them? I'm sure they are capable of sitting on ass without the taxpayer feeding them wheelbarrows of cash. Those parents outside would have gone in and fucked up the scumbags day.

 

[Defilade]

If things keep playing out like here in Texas we really should defund the police. If they aren't going to do anything why bother having them? I'm sure they are capable of sitting on ass without the taxpayer feeding them wheelbarrows of cash. Those parents outside would have gone in and fucked up the scumbags day.

And the parents should have. Police have no duty to protect you.

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The "social contract" is a one-way street. You pay your taxes or go to jail. In return, the government may or may not provide some of those services you

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Police Have No Duty to Protect the Public - The American Prospect

Though often unsaid in police reform debates, numerous court precedents have established that cops aren’t obligated to act in the interests of citizens.

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[Stuckinny]

If things keep playing out like here in Texas we really should defund the police. If they aren't going to do anything why bother having them? I'm sure they are capable of sitting on ass without the taxpayer feeding them wheelbarrows of cash. Those parents outside would have gone in and fucked up the scumbags day.

We would also have a few or more dead parents and maybe orphans to add to the collective uproar. Granted the parents would be ok with their decision, I doubt LE or the nation would be. I also question if the parents were even there at the critical moments to make a difference. Some traveled from 40 miles away.

 

[dwa12479]

We would also have a few or more dead parents and maybe orphans to add to the collective uproar. Granted the parents would be ok with their decision, I doubt LE or the nation would be. I also question if the parents were even there at the critical moments to make a difference. Some traveled from 40 miles away.

Id rather die with my kids trying to defend them than stand outside with front row seats for their murder. Thats just me though. To each his own.

 

[Stuckinny]

Id rather die with my kids trying to defend them than stand outside with front row seats for their murder. Thats just me though. To each his own.

Not saying that is wrong in any respect.

 

[spat]

We would also have a few or more dead parents and maybe orphans to add to the collective uproar. Granted the parents would be ok with their decision, I doubt LE or the nation would be. I also question if the parents were even there at the critical moments to make a difference. Some traveled from 40 miles away.

It only ended *because* of one of those parents, who had to go borrow a shotgun from his barber.

The fact that his day job was border patrol is irrelevant. He was off duty.

 

[Stuckinny]

It only ended *because* of one of those parents, who had go borrow a shotgun from his barber.

The fact that his day job was border patrol is irrelevant. He was off duty.

I think that has been disproved, but your point is still taken. Never know which 'simple parent' has the required skill and/or sheer determination to end something like this.

 

[spat]

I think that has been disproved, but your point is still taken. Never know which 'simple parent' has the required skill and/or sheer determination to end something like this.

I understand that most of the initial narrative has been disproven, but I haven't seen anything calling that into question.


Also read that it wasn't some teacher's fault that the door wasn't locked. The teacher had propped it open, but closed it and it failed to lock automatically as it's supposed to.

Not that a locked door would make much difference anyway.



I can't understand how these officers could stand around "following orders" while this happened.

This guy should have shot the guy in charge in the head if that's what it took to go in and save his wife.

Doing the right thing > being an obedient drone.

Uvalde Teacher Spoke With Husband, a Police Officer, Before She Died (Published 2022)

Eva Mireles’s husband was an officer with the school district’s Police Department. But he was not allowed to enter the place where his wife and her students were under attack.

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UVALDE, Texas — In the final moments of her life, Eva Mireles, a teacher at Robb Elementary School, was on the phone with her husband, Ruben Ruiz, a school dis...

 

[Jchrisls]

To all former/ current military....
Isn't there a section of military law that allows for the disobedience of a direct order during extreme circumstances?

I think its relevant in this circumstance on a civilian level.

 

[SonOfSun]

I think a time old phrase needs updating:

When seconds count, police are minutes away, and an hour from action.

 

[Stuckinny]

I understand that most of the initial narrative has been disproven, but I haven't seen anything calling that into question.


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This is an interview with the off duty agent in question

 

[spat]

To all former/ current military....
Isn't there a section of military law that allows for the disobedience of a direct order during extreme circumstances?

I think its relevant in this circumstance on a civilian level.

Has to be an unlawful order.

The order to stand down wasn't unlawful, just immoral and unethical.

You could say the same thing about the order to round up Anne Frank's family.

The question is can you live with yourself if you obey it.

 

[spat]

This is an interview with the off duty agent in question

It's very difficult to wade through the 99% propaganda from all sides to find the 1% truth.

Journalism is dead. None of then care about the truth anymore, just the narrative.

 

[Defilade]

It's very difficult to wade through the 99% propaganda from all sides to find the 1% truth.

Journalism is dead. None of then care about the truth anymore, just the narrative.

Yes, Journalistic terrorism is what we have with just about every major issue. So one sided.

 

[livingston]

Yes, Journalistic terrorism is what we have with just about every major issue. So one sided.

90% of folks in the media want a disarmed America .. Not talking about some you tube site.

 

[Stuckinny]

It's very difficult to wade through the 99% propaganda from all sides to find the 1% truth.

Journalism is dead. None of then care about the truth anymore, just the narrative.

Well, this is an interview of the dude in question, with him talking. Not sure how a first person account can be compared with third, fourth or even fifth person account given by MSM. If his personal account of his own actions and observations are in question, then how can anything we see posted here be believed?

Is he lying? Maybe, but why, he would be person of the year and a real president would give him a medal. Let me guess, the deep state got to him.

The teacher we originally heard propped open a door, lawyered up. The video of that, not released. All we have is 5th person reporting from MSM.

 

[Acer-m14]

for how far back the page number here i said ,.. but the school was on lockdown from the shots down the street and then the doors were opened and he got in .. WTF

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[99cummins]

Has to be an unlawful order.

The order to stand down wasn't unlawful, just immoral and unethical.

You could say the same thing about the order to round up Anne Frank's family.

The question is can you live with yourself if you obey it.

Is there anything about disobeying an order that goes against the oath you took or contradicts the goals or mission of an organization?

 

[Acer-m14]

Is there anything about disobeying an order that goes against the oath you took or contradicts the goals or mission of an organization?

they took a oath to uphold the Constitution ..

then that 1A and 2A part a lot forget about to uphold

and then theirs that Scotus ruling .. no duty to protect ..

so where does that leave the LEO ??

its a really bad shit show now ..

 

[spat]

Well, this is an interview of the dude in question, with him talking. Not sure how a first person account can be compared with third, fourth or even fifth person account given by MSM. If his personal account of his own actions and observations are in question, then how can anything we see posted here be believed?

Is he lying? Maybe, but why, he would be person of the year and a real president would give him a medal. Let me guess, the deep state got to him.

The teacher we originally heard propped open a door, lawyered up. The video of that, not released. All we have is 5th person reporting from MSM.

I wasn't referring to this interview, I was talking about all the previous stories that made erroneous claims, including the ones that claimed he shot the guy.

 

[spat]

Is there anything about disobeying an order that goes against the oath you took or contradicts the goals or mission of an organization?

Well, I would not take an oath that might put me in a situation to do such immoral or unethical things.

But, for someone who has, I'd say it would be a lot easier to live with yourself for violating an oath than for letting a dozen little kids get murdered while you stand by and do nothing.