Acer-m14
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PS and why does the hallway cam have a fisheye lens on it . . ? thats odd ..
Shooting at Uvalde Texas elementary school
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PS and why does the hallway cam have a fisheye lens on it . . ? thats odd ..
livingston
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Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman
Only a locked classroom door stood between Pete Arredondo and a chance to bring down the gunman. It was sturdily built with a steel jamb, impossible to kick in.He wanted a key. One goddamn key and he could get through that door to the kids and the teachers. The killer was armed with an AR-15. Arredondo thought he could shoot the gunman himself or at least draw fire while another officer shot back. Without body armor, he assumed he might die.
The chief of police for the Uvalde school district spent more than an hour in the hallway of Robb Elementary School. He called for tactical gear, a sniper and keys to get inside, holding back from the doors for 40 minutes to avoid provoking sprays of gunfire. When keys arrived, he tried dozens of them, but one by one they failed to work.
“Each time I tried a key I was just praying,” Arredondo said. Finally, 77 minutes after the massacre began, officers were able to unlock the door and fatally shoot the gunman.
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Waiting for keys, unable to break down doors: Uvalde schools police chief defends delay in confronting gunman
Criticized by law enforcement experts for slowness in taking out the shooter, Pete Arredondo described an agonizing wait for a key that would work. In an interview with The Texas Tribune, he said he hadn’t spoken out sooner because he didn’t want to compound his hometown’s grief or point blame.
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OK ....
For some reason it is propped up against the wall. Not hanging off the muzzle.
Acer-m14
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they got a frame shot from the hallway cam .. come on now .. post the live video feed now
spat
.700 Nitro Express
so it can cover the whole intersection.
with a regular lens you wouldn't see any of the side hallways. I would probably install a fish eye there too.
Cavalry
.308 Win
Looking at their old faceplace pics...Construction is 8" CMU, doors appear to be steel, outswing with exposed hinges with a vertical aprox 5"x24" window in the center.
Outswing doors are hard to batter down, but easy to force entry by attacking the lock, lock frame gap, or the hinge. Attacking a door while someone is popping rounds at you is a different story.
livingston
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First interior image released in Uvalde school shooting shows officers with more firepower than previously believed
The image raises more questions regarding the response timeline reported by police.
www.kvue.com
UVALDE, Texas — On Monday, KVUE and its news partners at the Austin American-Statesman exclusively obtained surveillance footage from inside Robb Elementary School on the day of the May 24 shooting.
The footage shows that multiple officers were inside the building with rifles and at least one ballistic shield, 19 minutes after the gunman arrived. They didn't enter the classroom the shooter was inside for nearly another hour.
livingston
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The Statesman reports that authorities have reconstructed the events of the attack using footage from inside the school, which showed the gunman entering a rear door, walking to a classroom and immediately opening fire before barricading himself. This timeline was also built using body camera video from more than a dozen officers inside Robb Elementary.
Based on the newest information, it is believed that 11 officers entered the school within three minutes of the gunman. District Police Chief Pete Arredondo reportedly called a landline at the Uvalde Police Department at 11:40 a.m. for help.
"It's an emergency right now," he said. "We have him in the room. He's got an AR-15. He's shot a lot … They need to be outside the building prepared because we don't have fire power right now," he said. "It's all pistols."
He did not have a radio on him at the time.
Based on the newest information, it is believed that 11 officers entered the school within three minutes of the gunman. District Police Chief Pete Arredondo reportedly called a landline at the Uvalde Police Department at 11:40 a.m. for help.
"It's an emergency right now," he said. "We have him in the room. He's got an AR-15. He's shot a lot … They need to be outside the building prepared because we don't have fire power right now," he said. "It's all pistols."
He did not have a radio on him at the time.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I thought there were 2 classrooms with a door connecting them
First interior image released in Uvalde school shooting shows officers with more firepower than previously believed
The image raises more questions regarding the response timeline reported by police.
UVALDE, Texas — On Monday, KVUE and its news partners at the Austin American-Statesman exclusively obtained surveillance footage from inside Robb Elementary School on the day of the May 24 shooting.
The footage shows that multiple officers were inside the building with rifles and at least one ballistic shield, 19 minutes after the gunman arrived. They didn't enter the classroom the shooter was inside for nearly another hour.
It just keeps getting worse. I had to check out of this thread for awhile because I was getting so frustrated with the details.
This is inexcusable and unforgiveable.
The police literally spent more effort trying to arrest distressed parents who wanted to do the job the police should have been doing than they did trying to prevent children from being slaughtered.
Pure disgust.
Yes, this investigation is going to set grounds for exactly what NOT to do during an active shooter situation.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Prybar from the side could make easy entry. Wonder what kind of classroom windows they had.
The type where anyone with a set of balls could have had someone cause a distraction from the hallway while another officer coordinated with someone outside the school to shoot the scumbag from the outside window into the classroom.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
Exactly my thought.
Cavalry
.308 Win
Yes, as long as the casings were not filled they will bend. That or hook the latch, its not like they would have strike plate shields. The windows in the school from photos on the interwebs are some kind of funky jalousie style with thin horizontal panes. In one pic the window has been opened up further for egress. I am not sure if it was by design or force the window was made larger.
Cavalry
.308 Win
Unreal!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Once you accept that walls and vehicles are expendable there are many quick ways in.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Amen. 300lb person trapped on 2nd floor in a fire? No way you're getting them through a window. Chainsaw go brrrrr, and no, I don't mean you make the person into several easy to carry pieces. You cut a nice wide door, lol.
News: Classroom door in Uvalde school shooting was not locked, official says — OAF Nation
There was no evidence any law enforcement officer tried the classroom door to see if it was locked, Texas Public Safety Director Steven McCrawsaid at a State Senate hearing on the shooting. More details in the article.
www.oafnation.com
Fucking incredible, but doesn't surprise me, the way this went down.News: Classroom door in Uvalde school shooting was not locked, official says — OAF Nation
There was no evidence any law enforcement officer tried the classroom door to see if it was locked, Texas Public Safety Director Steven McCrawsaid at a State Senate hearing on the shooting. More details in the article.
ECU Pirates
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His remarks are the first public comments McCraw has made regarding the shooting since last month.
"The officers had weapons, while the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said Tuesday. "One hour, 14 minutes and eight seconds. That’s how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed."
"The officers had weapons, while the children had none. The officers had body armor, the children had none. The officers had training, the subject had none," McCraw said Tuesday. "One hour, 14 minutes and eight seconds. That’s how long the children waited, and the teachers waited, in Room 111 to be rescued. And while they waited, the on-scene commander waited for radio and rifles. And he waited for shields, and he waited for SWAT. Lastly, he waited for a key that was never needed."
ECU Pirates
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Col. Steve McCraw, director of the Texas Department of Public Safety, told lawmakers that "There is compelling evidence that the law enforcement response to the attack at Robb Elementary was an abject failure and antithetical to everything we’ve learned over the last two decades since the Columbine massacre."
"Three minutes after the suspect entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, cistract, and neutralize the subject," he said. "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111, and 112, was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."
"Three minutes after the suspect entered the west building, there was a sufficient number of armed officers wearing body armor to isolate, cistract, and neutralize the subject," he said. "The only thing stopping a hallway of dedicated officers from entering Room 111, and 112, was the on-scene commander, who decided to place the lives of officers before the lives of children."