Kiloyankee
.38 Special
Then why is everyone losing their shit over sig having a recall on the p320?
Sig P320 Fails Drop Test
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Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
Safety. Some members in the forum already own one.
Honestly people should be happy that Sig is finally doing a voluntary recall.
Do I think this issue is something to freak out about, no, did Sig handle it the right way, fuck no.
They should have done a recall from the beginning instead of hoping it would all go away.
Kiloyankee
.38 Special
So do I but I don't make it a habit to drop the pistol and I still carry it because it won't go off in my holster.
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
If i owned one i send it imo. GL.
You might want to tell that to the officer who was shot with one while it was in a holster
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That cop didn't make it a habit to drop it either and he ended up shooting himself. It went off in his holster after his whole duty belt fell to the ground. Nobody makes it a habit to drop a pistol. Get it fixed.
Connecticut Police Officer Sues SIG SAUER for Injuries Suffered When Dropped P320 Discharged - The Truth About Guns
Kiloyankee
.38 Special
The only way my holster comes off is if I'm doing some serious mcninja combat rolls. But really I have the Apex flat trigger installed and that has been tested to show it's light enough that it won't move when dropped. But I will send it in when they announce it.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
SIG upgrades Trigger to 20 lb pull ... I'm buying a hi-point now .. LOL ..
anything will go off if hit to hard in the right spot or play with it to long
anything will go off if hit to hard in the right spot or play with it to long
I heard from a P320 owner that their "fix" is changing the way the "sear works to prevent the gun from being qble to fire when the slide is out of battery"
And to be honest if that's their fix well another fail imho
And to be honest if that's their fix well another fail imho
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
yep ... @Edwardteach72
with the hammer test, the slide is not out of battery .. its physics .. the trigger is on a pin , hence a pendulum with some sear pressure from spring.. enough motion will overcome that and trigger will drop .. boom .. just like you pulled it .. .. deal with it or add a trigger block safety slide button to lock the trigger from moving ..
hope i never drop my musket after i press the set trigger ... its under 1oz pull ..
with the hammer test, the slide is not out of battery .. its physics .. the trigger is on a pin , hence a pendulum with some sear pressure from spring.. enough motion will overcome that and trigger will drop .. boom .. just like you pulled it .. .. deal with it or add a trigger block safety slide button to lock the trigger from moving ..
hope i never drop my musket after i press the set trigger ... its under 1oz pull ..
I know this I'm saying that a friend of my stated that's what he heard Sig was doing to "fix" the problem
That's why 1 I put fix in quotations and 2 I said if that's their idea of a fix then it's a faip
Sorry if I read your comment wrong as if you are trying to explain why the p320 is failing vs agreeing??
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
@Edwardteach72 yep i agree with you .. your friend is wrong and sig too if thats what there doing ..
i don't see it as SIGs fault at all .. its physics .. like Yankee said .. its not a design flaw .. unless we all need guns that be droped from 20 feet and not go off
no matter how they hit the floor ..
my 54cal musket on set trigger is under 1 ounce .. ... crap just breath and it goes off .. not to mention trying to get your cold winter finger in the trigger hole with a glove on ..
i don't see it as SIGs fault at all .. its physics .. like Yankee said .. its not a design flaw .. unless we all need guns that be droped from 20 feet and not go off
no matter how they hit the floor ..
my 54cal musket on set trigger is under 1 ounce .. ... crap just breath and it goes off .. not to mention trying to get your cold winter finger in the trigger hole with a glove on ..
I don't necessarily find it a design flaw either other than the fact why not lighten the trigger 6% .
Sigs fail was denying anything was wrong. Almost an HK mindset if we are better than you and we know it.
At the first hint of an issue Sig should have come out saying they are independently verifying the claims vs nope none of it is true.
This puts them ahead of the lawsuit which, once that was filed they should have said voluntary recall for anyone who wants it while we continue independent verification.
Then once they see ok yes this is a problem we are going to make it right
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
@Edwardteach72
SIG should learn physics LOL .. don't drop your gun ..
NASCAR ,,., Don't hit the wall ..
Heisenberg uncertainty principle ...
SIG should learn physics LOL .. don't drop your gun ..
NASCAR ,,., Don't hit the wall ..
Heisenberg uncertainty principle ...
Well if we are going to say don't drop your gun why should we have drop tests in the first place, why should we have drop safeties in place,
I think the only ones who are in the "let's throw our guns on the ground just because" crowed are the James Yager group as well and sorry that's not who i want to be associated with anyways
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
what safety is on that car or 4x4 with a 70yr old guy or gal in the middle of a stroke or sugar issue blasting thru a group of people at a wedding .. GRRRR some take this crap to the extreme cuz OMG its a gun ,.. fkin hate it ..
Not taking it to an extreme, I'm just pointing out how stupid it sounds when people talk about a gun used for duty or carry and says well there is a slim chance if dropped it could go off (with an actual case of a police officer even being shot because of said specific way the gun landed)
Every Sig fan boys responses, meh no need to fix it or mitigate instead I just don't plan to drop my gun
And if that's the case/attitude why bother with any of the drop safeties
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
i'm going for extreme i think .. how many got hurt or killed from NYC MTA ??? where was the safety ??? if gun all hell gets loose .. i think gun safety even with sigs issue .. MTA is worst .. shit happens .. but FUAC and MTA .. that just NEGLIGENCE!! .. yes i said that word for once .. hehhee ..
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I meant it as tongue-in-cheek. As in, how do you improve perfection? Last I knew Chevy didn't advertise their Corvettes as perfection, whereas Glock does.
I own neither a Glock nor a SIG, so I have no skin in the game; I just take offense to their 'perfection' slogan.
Back to the topic at hand, looks like SIG already had changes planned for the M17 model. Wonder if any cheap P320s will show up in the meantime..
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The "I don't plan on dropping my gun crowd." needs to realize that nobody plans on dropping their guns. Shit happens. Stop defending SIG as if you yourself are CEO and the actual designer of the 320.
It was a poor design. There is nothing stopping that triggers inertia from being pulled when dropped like that. A gun like a 1911 will not go off like that due to it's grip and manual safety. The trigger wouldn't go back. A gun like a Glock with a trigger safety also cannot go off like that. The trigger wouldn't go back unless the trigger safety was pressed.
There is nothing stopping the SIG trigger.
It was a poor design. There is nothing stopping that triggers inertia from being pulled when dropped like that. A gun like a 1911 will not go off like that due to it's grip and manual safety. The trigger wouldn't go back. A gun like a Glock with a trigger safety also cannot go off like that. The trigger wouldn't go back unless the trigger safety was pressed.
There is nothing stopping the SIG trigger.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
It would seem like a simple drop in trigger replacement with a safe action style trigger block would be a cheap, easy, effective fix. It seems like Sig is making this a bit more complicated than it really should be.
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Cureforcancer
.223 Rem
Police department finds out its guns could accidentally fire if dropped
From 1 GA PD.
" Callaway pulled the Sigs out of service Thursday night and spent $15,000 on 30 new Glock pistols. Callaway told Diamant he used drug forfeiture funds to give taxpayers a break."
Glock inc must be laughing their ass off.
Pity a P320 was on my must get list.
From 1 GA PD.
" Callaway pulled the Sigs out of service Thursday night and spent $15,000 on 30 new Glock pistols. Callaway told Diamant he used drug forfeiture funds to give taxpayers a break."
Glock inc must be laughing their ass off.
Pity a P320 was on my must get list.
Glock is savage
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Except that it happened in real life not under test conditions.