Target Sports USA
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Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I will buy very little if any ammo that requires a background check and using a credit card. The combination of both being tracked and what constitutes a suspicious purchase has me saying hell no to this. People do t understand what a range session is and even some gun people do not. Last time in under an hour I shot 300 9mm and 300-400 .22lr with my son. That was taking our time.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
So how? As in they will ship to your door or to an FFL. I’m seriously curious.
MikeM
.357 mag
i ordered on Monday and received today.
TRUE SHOT however will not ship to NY unless an FFL
TRUE SHOT however will not ship to NY unless an FFL
Beerman
.223 Rem
Anyone powerful enough to know who I am, where I am and if I own ANY firearms or not, already knows those things. I’m not gonna run hundreds of miles away to buy fun things with cash because I’m suddenly concerned that the gob is finally admitting out loud that they’re surveilling gun owners. Operating within the system doesn’t make me a supporter of the system any more that wearing women’s boots makes @Acer-m14 a cross dresser. 
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
It's not really about the .gov knowing what I have, who I am, etc.Anyone powerful enough to know who I am, where I am and if I own ANY firearms or not, already knows those things. I’m not gonna run hundreds of miles away to buy fun things with cash because I’m suddenly concerned that the gob is finally admitting out loud that they’re surveilling gun owners. Operating within the system doesn’t make me a supporter of the system any more that wearing women’s boots makes @Acer-m14 a cross dresser.
It's about not rewarding criminal behavior by our (supposedly) elected representatives.
for the cost of using an FFL and shipping I can take a nice leisurely drive south and ensure that NY won't see one red cent of extra money for their illegal activities.
Bustedknees
.308 Win
Meanwhile UPS says I can pick up my new rifle at one of their locations. temptation could get me.
Beerman
.223 Rem
It’s a trap!
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
It’s about staying off the radar and the NYSP or fed officers desk. You will see an increase in investigations over the credit card law. I’m sure with what I bought recently that would have triggered a flag. I don’t want the government showing up at my home. As far as I know I’m following all laws, but it’s getting complicated to know these days.Anyone powerful enough to know who I am, where I am and if I own ANY firearms or not, already knows those things. I’m not gonna run hundreds of miles away to buy fun things with cash because I’m suddenly concerned that the gob is finally admitting out loud that they’re surveilling gun owners. Operating within the system doesn’t make me a supporter of the system any more that wearing women’s boots makes @Acer-m14 a cross dresser.
FIFY
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
So no one knows where to go to order, so they get nothing, and the state wins. Brilliant plan.
Reddit.com/r/nyguns has a list of sites still shipping to NY - not sure if they are bigger than here but doesn't matter.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
The state is well aware of that list in question.
That list is also not exhaustive and misses dozens I could mention (but I won't), and maybe hundreds of sellers most could find by looking on their own and not relying on reddit, LI gun forum, and the fine members of this forum.
The problem is when supply gets short nationwide, NY citizens will have a much tougher search than many in this country.
Beerman
.223 Rem
“Get it while you can, brother, get it while you can.
When I’m home from workin’ I’m a hungry man.
I like your biscuits in my gravy, ma’am.
Before the stores all close, get it while you can.”
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
A bit of a drive but I was passing by and saw their billboard. Exit 101 on I-95 in Selma, NC even had a dollar a round 7.62 x 51 M80 ball and .38 special and .40 cal and reloading supplies. Of course I did not buy anything as that would upset Queen Horrible Hochul. 
PS They do a lot of internet sales at springhilloutfitters.com
PS They do a lot of internet sales at springhilloutfitters.com
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I’ll be going to Phoenix in December. If I need ammo and there’s a gun store close by I’ll buy it and ship it home. I’m flying so I can’t bring enough of it back. In a month or two after that I’ll be going to another state and I’ll be driving, I’ll do the same.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
If you want to order some for the best price, feel free to ship to my place.
You'll have to drive a couple hours down to pick it up, but we can burn some steaks and shoot some targets while you're down here
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I won’t have a car to drive anywhere since my work doesn’t provide me one, but thank you for the offer. That would be a blast and your place looks amazing. I also can’t extend my stay under any circumstances because past assholes abused things. I’ve actually always wanted to spend some time in AZ so I’m sad I can’t explore much of anything except one or two days after my work meetings.If you want to order some for the best price, feel free to ship to my place.
You'll have to drive a couple hours down to pick it up, but we can burn some steaks and shoot some targets while you're down here
Beerman
.223 Rem
What are the laws/regs for shipping ammo to yourself?
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
None as far as I know. You box it and pay the appropriate shipping charge for ORM-D and you’re GTG.
dean3690
.357 mag
There's always those unintended consequences to every law, but especially those promulgated by anti's who don't know and don't care to educate themselves regarding the subject of their legislation. Some just assume that you will simply obey and not look for the end around within the law. When you do, they go after that, but fail to realize that you are already a step ahead. When the SAFE Act came out I called the NYSP hotline soon after it was up and running and asked the Trooper on the other end if I could give ammo to someone, not sell or barter, but give. He was taken aback and said he had never been asked that, but did not see why not as the law did not address that. Progress and ingenuity don't stand still in acceptance of the status quo. Necessity remains the mother of invention.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Looks like ORM-D is not a thing anymore....
ORM-D - Ground Service | UPS - United States
Effective January 1, 2021 the ORM-D classification is obsolete per D.O.T. HM-215K. Learn more.
www.ups.com
But you can ship them, just have to schedule a pickup, or take then to a distribution center (not a ups store)
How To Ship Ammunition | UPS - United States
Key considerations from UPS to keep in mind when packaging and shipping ammunition for firearms.
www.ups.com
Beerman
.223 Rem
UPS says ORM-D is no longer required as of 1/1/2021, so with the new CCIA law is it still legal to ship ammo to yourself? If online sales are not shipping direct-to-door any more, I think shipping to yourself from out of state might be risky. Involving a third party (shipper) might invoke an interstate commerce issue. I’m not finding anything saying that it’s still allowed. I’m gonna email my Senator.
ORM-D - Ground Service | UPS - United States
Effective January 1, 2021 the ORM-D classification is obsolete per D.O.T. HM-215K. Learn more.
www.ups.com
How To Ship Ammunition | UPS - United States
Key considerations from UPS to keep in mind when packaging and shipping ammunition for firearms.
www.ups.com
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
Last couple UPS shipments of ammo can trays (which lately seem to be back ordered or purchase quantity limited at most places) and M2A1 boxes got stolen from UPS truck or UPS distribution center. UPS theft is another "key consideration"
pshift
.338 Win Mag
Just have it shipped out of state to your 'vacation spot' and go pick it up....
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Laws don’t tell you what you can do only what you can not do. It’s a NYS law saying if you’re buying or transferring ammunition in NYS then you need a background check. If I buy the ammo in AZ then I own it and there is no purchase or transfer taking place in NYS. When you buy ammo from company A and have it shipped through UPS when your item is in UPS’s possession they are not taking ownership of it so there is also no transfer taking place. I’m not seeing any legal issues here at all
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Pretty hard to fly back with a case of ammunition on a plane. I’m not sure that would go too well. It says it is allowed so maybe it would be fine. Anyone ever do it? Says it needs to be declared and boxed in fiber(cardboard) containers and that’s all.
I’ll see what happens anyway since the only place close is cabelas. Others are far away so buy the time I pay to Uber there and back and the upgraded weight cost to check the bag it might not be worth it. I’m not really in need anyway so I’ll see what happens.
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Phazer
.338 Win Mag
There is no way that New York can prevent you from shipping YOUR legally acquired property TO YOURSELF. Especially, since the property at issue is legal for you to have in New York.
I'd love to be the defendant in that case. So many constitutional issues to dig into.
I'd love to be the defendant in that case. So many constitutional issues to dig into.