Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

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FrankenCub said:
As well as a host of new regulations she hasn't thought of yet. If we're lucky we'll be able to legally carry on Sundays. Monday through Saturday will be restricted days.
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She’s already thought of them. Now this will embolden her to pass them and there’s nothing at all stopping her. No one except maybe the Supreme Court can stop her but she’s already shown she doesn’t fucking care what they say. I also have a sneaking feeling we will lose the USA senate and the Supreme Court will be packed. I guarantee you roe v wade will come back to haunt us and the Bruen section will soon be wrong and we will be back to the old standard. I’m almost certain the CCIA will stand on the end because they will pack the Supreme Court soon. Walker will lose in the run off and we will lose AZ and the senate will be 50/50 again. We are doomed and the Republican governors are the only ones that can save us and clearly that will never happen in NYS after what happened this week.
 
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nortatoga said:
Exactly so no Loop-hole with this semi-auto license.

But would you walk down a sidewalk in front of a school with a rifle over your shoulder?
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Would I? No, but it’s not illegal. I just had this talk with my dad and they used to get this call all the time when we had a gun store in my town. It’s legal, but not advisable.
 
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If NY hasn't thought of new laws, then they know now. You can bet your ass someone in government reads these posts and is taking notes on how to move next. Figure out the work around and shut the hell up about it!
 
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Yup. I am proof.
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Unfortunately, so am I. Kind of a coincidence....... I've only come back after Suddaby's decision on the social media... like heck am I going to lose my PP over being a member of a gun forum. So I shut up and held on... Not like I say too much, but you never know how people/government construe things.
 
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Unfortunately, so am I. Kind of a coincidence....... I've only come back after Suddaby's decision on the social media... like heck am I going to lose my PP over being a member of a gun forum. So I shut up and held on... Not like I say too much, but you never know how people/government construe things.
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tell us more .
 
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ManualF150 said:
Unfortunately, so am I. Kind of a coincidence....... I've only come back after Suddaby's decision on the social media... like heck am I going to lose my PP over being a member of a gun forum. So I shut up and held on... Not like I say too much, but you never know how people/government construe things.
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I pity my liberal neighbor who has a weakly secured home wi-fi network that's easy to access to make internet posts. The Vassar College parking pass and Hillary stickers still on his Prius are not going save his Pillsbury Dough Boy ass.
 
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nortatoga said:
Careful who you listen too, No where in the law does it say anything about carrying a semi-auto rifle!






7. License: form. Any license issued pursuant to this section shall,
except in the city of New York, be approved as to form by the
superintendent of state police. A license to carry or possess a pistol
or revolver or to purchase or take possession of a semiautomatic rifle
shall have attached the licensee's photograph, and a coupon which shall
be removed and retained by any person disposing of a firearm to the
licensee. A license to carry or possess a pistol or revolver shall
specify the weapon covered by calibre, make, model, manufacturer's name
and serial number, or if none, by any other distinguishing number or
identification mark, and shall indicate whether issued to carry on the
person or possess on the premises, and if on the premises shall also
specify the place where the licensee shall possess the same. If such
license is issued to an alien, or to a person not a citizen of and
usually a resident in the state, the licensing officer shall state in
the license the particular reason for the issuance and the names of the
persons certifying to the good character of the applicant. Any license
as gunsmith or dealer in firearms shall mention and describe the
premises for which it is issued and shall be valid only for such
premises.


(c) A license to purchase or take possession of a semiautomatic rifle
as defined in subdivision two of this section shall be recertified to
the applicable licensing officer every five years following the issuance
of such license. Failure to renew such a license shall be a violation
punishable by a fine not to exceed two hundred fifty dollars, and such
failure to renew shall be considered by the licensing officer when
reviewing future license applications by the license holder pursuant to
this chapter.
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what law are you quoting there .. NYS ?

what @Glock_USA and i were talking about was the FED ACT ... FED LAW ..

The Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990
 
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New York Police Making CCW Applicants Sign Warning Forms​


2:18 min for the unconstitutional form to sign .. Heller Case

if the GOVT isn't making shit up .. the NYPD will help out .


 
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Now that hochulwon be ready for the training to apply to every one recertifying going forward.
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Bring it.
The our side can immediately have NY's lawyer sued for lying in court.

After all, the whole "this doesn't apply above Westchester" was never in the Law. It was only word-of-mouth by a sleazeball lawyer for the State to try to get a lawsuit kicked out of court. (I forgot which lawsuit it was)
 
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Grimscale said:
Bring it.
The our side can immediately have NY's lawyer sued for lying in court.

After all, the whole "this doesn't apply above Westchester" was never in the Law. It was only word-of-mouth by a sleazeball lawyer for the State to try to get a lawsuit kicked out of court. (I forgot which lawsuit it was)
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They also said they were not enforcing the CCIA so??
 
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Shadow2 said:
If NY hasn't thought of new laws, then they know now. You can bet your ass someone in government reads these posts and is taking notes on how to move next. Figure out the work around and shut the hell up about it!
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No doubt they follow all gun websites .It is well known Everytown has tens of millions of Dollars to throw into the fight against our rights.... Hundreds of lawyers...all working in tandem with state and national elected office holders to disarm all of us gun owners. ... All over this nation.
This effort is massive well beyond what we comprehend .
 
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It's so funny how many strong opinions here get flipped every single week. It's nice to see the strong optimism, no matter how constantly it's being cut off like a house cats attention span. I think some need to be reminded where they live and the history and patterns of NYS's gun laws. You say the state doesn't care about following the courts opinions/rulings which should be all you need to know, but you complain when they continue to do it like it's unconstitutional or something. lol
 
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My house cats can have a pretty long attention span, poor things, laser light drives them crazy for as long as someone will play.

I think many of us are just disgusted, we are good people who want to live like we are. The state wants to us to be felons. I don't have a lot of hope yet I can say it goes against my grain to turn tail and leave. Yet, being a realist, I think that may be the best solution, until it isn't.

I used to think I had some idea how the court system worked. This whole fiasco has proven I have no freakin' clue. Some day I will try to figure it out. Currently I am just tryng to stay in business and the time to keep up on fed and state is not doing my blood pressure any favors. I apologize to customers when they buy ammo cause I have to treat them like a felon. I HATE it. Here I thought covid was bad with the unlawful mandates, ugh.
 
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CaliberPlus said:
My house cats can have a pretty long attention span, poor things, laser light drives them crazy for as long as someone will play.

I think many of us are just disgusted, we are good people who want to live like we are. The state wants to us to be felons. I don't have a lot of hope yet I can say it goes against my grain to turn tail and leave. Yet, being a realist, I think that may be the best solution, until it isn't.

I used to think I had some idea how the court system worked. This whole fiasco has proven I have no freakin' clue. Some day I will try to figure it out. Currently I am just tryng to stay in business and the time to keep up on fed and state is not doing my blood pressure any favors. I apologize to customers when they buy ammo cause I have to treat them like a felon. I HATE it. Here I thought covid was bad with the unlawful mandates, ugh.
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I agree. I just want to largely be left alone. I want to live my life, love my wife and kids, do some hiking, kayaking, fishing, hunting and a bit of travel. I want to have the money to do that and not be taxed to death literally. I want to carry a concealed pistol for my protection and the protection of others around me while doing it and that’s really about it. This state seems to want to stop me from doing most of that either through laws or taxes.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
I agree. I just want to largely be left alone. I want to live my life, love my wife and kids, do some hiking, kayaking, fishing, hunting and a bit of travel. I want to have the money to do that and not be taxed to death literally. I want to carry a concealed pistol for my protection and the protection of others around me while doing it and that’s really about it. This state seems to want to stop me from doing most of that either through laws or taxes.
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Extremist…
 
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Saltwater60 said:
Would I? No, but it’s not illegal. I just had this talk with my dad and they used to get this call all the time when we had a gun store in my town. It’s legal, but not advisable.
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No, under the FEDERAL Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, it’s illegal in public within 1,000 feet of a school. Whether or not it’s an exception since it’s not an explicit carry permit, a semiauto permit does nothing if you don’t have one, which most owners don’t, and in any event then it wouldn’t apply to a shotgun or bolt-action .30-06 within 1,000 feet of a school.

Unless it’s overturned in court, it’s still illegal, not just in front of a school but nearly a fifth of a mile away. I expect many cops would be ignorant of this too since they have limited training in federal law and aren’t usually responsible for enforcing it. In practice the charges are usually referred by a DA when there’s related charges, rather than local police making a pure GFSZA arrest.

You started with this dangerously wrong blanket post that it’s still perfectly legal under the CCIA to have a gun on a sidewalk in front of a school; this is true for permitted concealed carry, but in the context of a thread also talking about driving through the Cornell campus, this is a dangerously wrong blanket statement. It’s been a federal felony for long guns since 1990 within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school.

I’m well aware of these issues; my late gramp was cautioned by police for driving through an arterial road on Cornell’s campus with a hunting shotgun on his rack decades ago and told he could be arrested. For those who don’t know Cornell has a sprawling open campus on Ithaca’s East Hill with encircling and traversing streets and roads that are on many routes between the towns of Ithaca/Lansing/Dryden/Caroline. It’s easy to unknowingly drive onto Cornell turf and avoiding it may require detours, nor does signage make it clear exactly where the campus starts and ends. The exact same type of traffic stop could lead to arrest on federal charges within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school since 1990; this is not well-known, even though there are people in federal prison for it.
 
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subsonic said:
No, under the FEDERAL Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990, it’s illegal in public within 1,000 feet of a school. Whether or not it’s an exception since it’s not an explicit carry permit, a semiauto permit does nothing if you don’t have one, which most owners don’t, and in any event then it wouldn’t apply to a shotgun or bolt-action .30-06 within 1,000 feet of a school.

Unless it’s overturned in court, it’s still illegal, not just in front of a school but nearly a fifth of a mile away. I expect many cops would be ignorant of this too since they have limited training in federal law and aren’t usually responsible for enforcing it. In practice the charges are usually referred by a DA when there’s related charges, rather than local police making a pure GFSZA arrest.

You started with this dangerously wrong blanket post that it’s still perfectly legal under the CCIA to have a gun on a sidewalk in front of a school; this is true for permitted concealed carry, but in the context of a thread also talking about driving through the Cornell campus, this is a dangerously wrong blanket statement. It’s been a federal felony for long guns since 1990 within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school.

I’m well aware of these issues; my late gramp was cautioned by police for driving through an arterial road on Cornell’s campus with a hunting shotgun on his rack decades ago and told he could be arrested. For those who don’t know Cornell has a sprawling open campus on Ithaca’s East Hill with encircling and traversing streets and roads that are on many routes between the towns of Ithaca/Lansing/Dryden/Caroline. It’s easy to unknowingly drive onto Cornell turf and avoiding it may require detours, nor does signage make it clear exactly where the campus starts and ends. The exact same type of traffic stop could lead to arrest on federal charges within 1,000 feet of a K-12 school since 1990; this is not well-known, even though there are people in federal prison for it.
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I guess you missed the part where I said you can’t drive through Cornell with a gun as described and the OP clarified that fact after I said you can walk in front of a school with a gun while referring to the CCIA restrictions. CCIA doesn’t do anything for rifles as mentioned and I also stated that fact later in the thread. I addressed what I though was the OP saying you can’t walk with a CCW on a public sidewalk I. Front of a school and you can. He clarified later in the thread and so I responded accordingly after that and yes I agree with what you said above n
 
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Waffles! said:
There is a new filing in the Antonyuk case today from the defendants, wherein they claim that the plaintiffs again do not have standing.

Same shit, different day. We are going to be fighting their BS for years at this rate. Fuck!

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So reading this further suggests that they aren't going to enforce any of this because the minute they did their argument of no standing goes right out the window. Call their bluff. How many times are they going to say or suggest no enforcement before everyone just ignores them?
 
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lrick said:
I thought someone was missing. Just figured it was an 'if Teach is gone, then so am I' sort of thing.
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No. I like the folks and some of the posts on here... However, I didn't particularly care for how much "research" they did to track me down. Not like it's impossible, but they certainly spent some quality time on the research to find me. Then the gall to confront me about it. Kind of creeped me on out because I barely know who they are.

I even went back and searched through all my posts to see if there was anything I posted that could put me in jeopardy, and I didn't see a damn thing. But again, you don't know how others construe things and my luck, they would find a post or thread that would raise an eyebrow.

At the end of the day it was certainly an eye opener on the whole thing that thankfully got halted with the social media crap. Hopefully it stays that way.

From now on, I'm being extra cautious.
 
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Glock_USA said:
So reading this further suggests that they aren't going to enforce any of this because the minute they did their argument of no standing goes right out the window. Call their bluff. How many times are they going to say or suggest no enforcement before everyone just ignores them?
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So if it’s an emergency how can they stand up in court and say they won’t enforce it? I hope the judge tells them how fucking stupid they are and sound. You can’t have it both ways. I’m seriously sick of their bullshit
 
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