Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)

[dean3690]

We had 100% of our applications done two days before Whorechul's Manifesto, but our fingerprinting got delayed because the only office left with appointments had the guy call out sick. We got them done on the same day the "law" changed, and UPD sealed the box and posted that no applications would be accepted. In Oneida County I have not found one single instructor prepared to, or willing to - offer the 16 hour class. I also know of no ranges that will do the qualification because people with no license are forbidden to possess a pistol and the "law" offers no alternative, no remedy, no insurance, no protection for them to allow it on their premises. Fingerprinting is also done by a 3rd Party regardless - another $100 on top of the already asinine expenses we've incurred - for nothing.

I took my class at PS & ED in LaFayette. $340.00. Give him (Matt Mallory) a call and see if he is good to go for Oneida County. He does travel to instruct as well.

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[livingston]

BREAKING: 2nd Circuit Appeals ALLOWS Gun Prohibition on Private Property to stand..​

 

[JunkBoxFull]

I took my class at PS & ED in LaFayette. $340.00. Give him (Matt Mallory) a call and see if he is good to go for Oneida County. He does travel to instruct as well.

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I`m guessing you took this training class because you are trying to get your NYS pistol permit???? From what i understood, nobody in upstate NY that already has a CCW, does not have to take this training class. Am i correct, yes/no?

 

[livingston]

I`m guessing you took this training class because you are trying to get your NYS pistol permit???? From what i understood, nobody in upstate NY that already has a CCW, does not have to take this training class. Am i correct, yes/no?

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Paloma Capanna esq. Talks about this and I believe there is some confusion..on who can give a training class ... .. About the last 1/3 of the pod cast she starts

 

[Truebeliever]

As of right now, Judge Sinatra's injunction is active in the Christian v Nigrelli case. So, yes u can legally carry onto private property without the previously necessary signage. NYS made a motion to stay to the 2nd Circuit last week. Nothing from them yet.

Court of appeals just overturned his stay on the private property enforcement.

 

[GlockModel29]

Court of appeals just overturned his stay on the private property enforcement.

You mean they granted a stay genius....

 

[zorro]

Oneida has rolled all existing permit holders direct to CCW, with no extra training required, from what I understand of the post…..

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[JunkBoxFull]

Oneida has rolled all existing permit holders direct to CCW, with no extra training required, from what I understand of the post…..

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Contact the Oneida County pistol permit office for questions on getting an Oneida County pistol permit or for general questions about a New York pistol permit.

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That`s how i understood it when they passed their shiddy laws. Upstate CCW permit holders were exempt.

 

[Truebeliever]

You mean they granted a stay genius....

No, they put a stay on the district court’s stay. Or in layman’s terms , overturned the original stay.

 

[ManualF150]

Oneida has rolled all existing permit holders direct to CCW, with no extra training required, from what I understand of the post…..

Oneida County New York Pistol Permit | Oneida County

Contact the Oneida County pistol permit office for questions on getting an Oneida County pistol permit or for general questions about a New York pistol permit.

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So even though there is a stay, the OC PP page isn't updates.. and what the heck is a Time Square? lol

So if someone was carrying in Oneida County and got told no (assuming not breaking more than 2 laws at the same time (LOL), they could whip out their phone and show them that page. Would that count as the "law"?

 

[Rocpo]

Any cop who makes an arrest under this is just begging for a 1983 suit against them.

 

[nortatoga]

No, they put a stay on the district court’s stay. Or in layman’s terms , overturned the original stay.

Somebody is awful thin-skinned.

 

[livingston]

I believe there is a statute that voids a law that is too confusing for the average person to understand... We almost need an attorney on speed dial to clarify where we stand with the law at any given moment. Folks need to acknowledge not everyone knows all this lawyer speak 100% of the time....

 

[camper4lyfe]

I believe there is a statute that voids a law that is too confusing for the average person to understand... We almost need an attorney on speed dial to clarify where we stand with the law at any given moment. Folks need to acknowledge not everyone knows all this lawyer speak 100% of the time....

The hard part right now, aside from the BS law itself, is that all of the lawsuits, TROs and stays are constantly muddying the waters.

 

[Saltwater60]

The hard part right now, aside from the BS law itself, is that all of the lawsuits, TROs and stays are constantly muddying the waters.

I agree with both of what you said. It’s very difficult and getting harder by the day!!

 

[Truebeliever]

So even though there is a stay, the OC PP page isn't updates.. and what the heck is a Time Square? lol

So if someone was carrying in Oneida County and got told no (assuming not breaking more than 2 laws at the same time (LOL), they could whip out their phone and show them that page. Would that count as the "law"?

If the court has issued a “ stay” on the law , yes, you would inform the officer, who would verify it. That would be “ the law” until the stay was overturned or made permanent.
Cop’s experience something similar occasionally with warrants and order of protections. The person took care of the warrant or had the order of protection amended but the new info hadn’t been imputed into computer yet.
They just have to verify it.

 

[FrankenCub]

Oneida has rolled all existing permit holders direct to CCW, with no extra training required, from what I understand of the post…..

Oneida County New York Pistol Permit | Oneida County

Contact the Oneida County pistol permit office for questions on getting an Oneida County pistol permit or for general questions about a New York pistol permit.

ocgov.net

Broome is requiring me to pull $500 out of my ass to get rid of my restrictions. With all this monkey in the middle bullshit it's not worth it.

 

[CaliberPlus]

Sometimes I regret checking in on this thread. I am so sick of this state.

As p'd as I am, I appreciate the updates. The sign is back on the door, it stayed for some time, this time. I am gettting more and more tempted to make my own sign, like I did during the mask mandate. We really are a mini Germany, circa about 1933.

 

[JunkBoxFull]

The end game is very simple to see. Bankrupt gun owners & businesses into submission, by passing more and more unconstitutional laws, while they use YOUR TAX DOLLARS to fight YOU, in THEIR courts. They`ll wait for C Thomas to retire from the bench. They will install their anti-american judge`s to the SC. They will continue to pack the courts with more anti-american justices.

In the mean time, NY is just going to keep ignoring the constitution and its people, and continue passing more BS laws against us all. NY is the shining star to full blown communism. Other states will follow NY`s lead.

Remember the 1960`s hippies? The ones we were all warned about?, yet most people ignored them, thinking they were going to just go away. Well, they are the freaks running the country today. Now, take a look at all those indoctrinated youth coming up (you know, the ones who their parents ignored and didnt give a sh!t what their kid was being taught). They will be in control of the country, next. That should scare the hell out of every one of you.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

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This seems to be important to them (In re World Trade Center), enough to include it in a one-page ruling. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

They seem to consider it important enough to mention in each ruling. What makes that case unique (In re WTC) is that many of the plaintiffs were running out of time due to medical reasons, and the public interest lay with having these victims at least see their families taken care of before they passed.

 

[GlockModel29]

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This seems to be important to them (In re World Trade Center), enough to include it in a one-page ruling. Does anyone have any ideas on this?

They seem to consider it important enough to mention in each ruling. What makes that case unique (In re WTC) is that many of the plaintiffs were running out of time due to medical reasons, and the public interest lay with having these victims at least see their families taken care of before they passed.

I'm still trying to grasp why the 2 Republican judges on the 2nd Circuit panel keep squashing the multiple injunctions....I just don't understand it.....

 

[GlockModel29]

Its probably wishful thinking to hope they'll rule in our favor when they decide the multiple cases...

 

[Saltwater60]

I'm still trying to grasp why the 2 Republican judges on the 2nd Circuit panel keep squashing the multiple injunctions....I just don't understand it.....

becuase they are on the same side in the end.

 

[Acer-m14]

If the court has issued a “ stay” on the law , yes, you would inform the officer, who would verify it.

gun laws are null n void officers ... see sir ..

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"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491. "

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NYSRPA vs Bruen .. ..

 

[Tisto]

gun laws are null n void officers ... see sir ..

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"All laws which are repugnant to the Constitution are null and void." Marbury vs. Madison, 5 US (2 Cranch) 137, 174, 176, (1803)

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda vs. Arizona, 384 US 436 p. 491. "

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NYSRPA vs Bruen .. ..

 

[Glock_USA]

More judges ignoring Bruen, it's a lost cause I'm sorry to say.

 

[arp228]

More judges ignoring Bruen, it's a lost cause I'm sorry to say.

This judge needs to read the Bruen decision. He is using tiers of scrutiny which the Supreme Court in Bruen said this could no longer be used in 2A cases. There needs to be consequences for judges as well as legislators ignoring the Supreme Court

 

[tirwin1]

This judge needs to read the Bruen decision. He is using tiers of scrutiny which the Supreme Court in Bruen said this could no longer be used in 2A cases. There needs to be consequences for judges as well as legislators ignoring the Supreme Court

Loss of job and pension and a swift kick in the nuts works for me.

 

[JRtraderny]

Loss of job and pension and a swift kick in the nuts works for me.

Gallows is an option too .

 

[Glock_USA]

This judge needs to read the Bruen decision. He is using tiers of scrutiny which the Supreme Court in Bruen said this could no longer be used in 2A cases. There needs to be consequences for judges as well as legislators ignoring the Supreme Court

Well he did it anyway and there will be zero consequence for it and the citizens can't have real mags so..... Bruen was a waste of time and is proving to be quite useless.