the coming storm

[Jmac00]

with all the democRATic bullshit about the Kavanaugh nomination.

with Project Veritas exposing the deep state on MANY occasions

and with the upcoming mid-term election

if the democrATS take back the Senate in 45 days

How long before this country is in a civil war, an actual shooting war?

what the deep state is doing and ( I feel) is about to do to take control of our government, I have a strong sense that things in America are about to go south very, very quickly

 

[GTN]

Better stock up boys n girls.
I need a rifle

 

[dubleuhb]

Well if it does at least I get to see if my preparation was sufficient. At this point IDGAF, our government is lost, both sides suck balls.

 

[Acer-m14]

i hope a big winter storm comes and Trump tells FUAC no $$$$ FKU FUAC ..

 

[Defilade]

You just named the reasons why the Democrats will NOT take back the Senate.

 

[redtail]

Have faith innour current leadedship. Mattis & co. Are patriots.
I have no doubt foreign interests $$$ are part of the “resistance” issue.

 

[Twogunwilly]

Not worried about the mythical blue wave, it aint going to happen. Soon we will drive the commies into the sea.

 

[tirwin1]

I think the vitriol is there. Social media amplifies it. Victor Davis Hanson is asking the same question.

Are we on the verge of civil war?

Despite the polarization I find it difficult to believe it will lead to civil war. There may actually be some fighting but I think the number of left wing loons that are both armed and willing to fight is very small. If they start anything against the better armed opposition they will quickly regret it.

Will it come down to cities versus suburbs/rural america? Possibly so but once again I am having trouble seeing how we get there. I certainly could be wrong about this.

 

[Jsmegs77]

The violent wing of the left is likely to rely on law enforcement to protect them from any pushback. It's worked for them before. There probably aren't a huge number of them capable of handling any real defensive action by their intended victims.

 

[GTN]

Just imo here.
Left - will lie, cheat, riot, scream the loudest to get their way.
Right - won’t do any of the above.

We will wait for the large scale violent attack of the left that won’t happen. They run little tactical assaults out there that are hard for us to defend against or have time to organize against.

Outcome - we lose for being polite law abiding citizens

 

[SomeSoldier]

Just imo here.
Left - will lie, cheat, riot, scream the loudest to get their way.
Right - won’t do any of the above.

We will wait for the large scale violent attack of the left that won’t happen. They run little tactical assaults out there that are hard for us to defend against or have time to organize against.

Outcome - we lose for being polite law abiding citizens

I think they will try and they will be a head but they do not have the infiltration/intelligence experience our side has. I think in the end they lose.

 

[Uzi]

I think it's quite unlikely. Most people living in the US just don't care enough about the politics to involve themselves. They need to make money, take care of their children, put food on the table etc. Most people are certainly not prepared to start killing anyone unless it's some sort of actual real survival life or death situation on a nationwide level. A new chain of political assholes is not anything we haven't dealt with before. Media loves to blow things up and way out of proportion from reality.

 

[GOPerfect]

This, I am not concerned about. The GOP will actually pick up at least two seats. The majority will increase.

There are plenty of other things that I am concerned about, this is pretty low on the list.

 

[GOPerfect]

ᛁ ᚣᚮᚢᛚᛨ ᛚᚮᚡᛂ ᛏᚮ ᛋᛂᛂ ᚼᚮᚣ ᛏᚼᛂ ᛚᛁᛒᛏᛆᚱᛨᛋ ᚼᛆᚾᛨᛚᛂ ᛏᚼᛁᛋ ᛂᛚᛂᚳᛏᛁᚮᚾ ᚳᛦᚳᛚᛂ ᛏᚼᚮᚢᛕᚼᚵ᛬ ᛏᚼᛂᛦ ᛆᚱᛂ ᚹᚮᛁᛋᛂᛨ ᛏᚮ ᚣᛁᚾ᛫ ᛒᚢᛏ ᛏᚼᛂᛦ ᚣᛁᛚᛚ ᛚᚮᛋᛂ ᛆᛕᛆᛁᚾ᛬

 

[Catskillkid]

This, I am not concerned about. The GOP will actually pick up at least two seats. The majority will increase.

There are plenty of other things that I am concerned about, this is pretty low on the list.

I'm curious what you are concerned about. Because I think whatever that is will scare me shitless.

BTW...I know you called Trump wining the presidency early on. If your prediction of 2+ Senate seats for the GOP I think you've earned the title of Oracle!

 

[GOPerfect]

I'm curious what you are concerned about. Because I think whatever that is will scare me shitless.

BTW...I know you called Trump wining the presidency early on. If your prediction of 2+ Senate seats for the GOP I think you've earned the title of Oracle!

I am VERY concerned about our financial longevity. We are in some very serious trouble in regards to the economy and our financial well being.

 

[Blimey]

I think it's quite unlikely. Most people living in the US just don't care enough about the politics to involve themselves. They need to make money, take care of their children, put food on the table etc. Most people are certainly not prepared to start killing anyone unless it's some sort of actual real survival life or death situation on a nationwide level. A new chain of political assholes is not anything we haven't dealt with before. Media loves to blow things up and way out of proportion to reality.

Most likely cause behind large scale violence would be a national grid down scenario for weeks or more. When mcdonalds shuts down, pantry is empty, and food manufacturers cannot produce because of plants shut down, then you'd see things go south.

 

[tirwin1]

I am VERY concerned about our financial longevity. We are in some very serious trouble in regards to the economy and our financial well being.

Agree 100%. If and when the financial crunch hits, then the worst case scenarios become possible.

 

[Darth]

Just imo here.
Left - will lie, cheat, riot, scream the loudest to get their way.
Right - won’t do any of the above.

Don't fret, the right does that already.

Don't con yourself into believing one side is causing this.

 

[prambo]

I doubt that conservative/libertarian leaning Americans will, or indeed can, do anything. Are such Americans organized beyond a few thousand in isolated or widely separated areas?

This forum is primarily composed of like minded people spread over the whole state. Few of us have even met other members, let alone have serious contact information beyond NYGF. I have met only one member, although living in The 'Hood is limiting.

In another thread, I asked how many members had contact info for others, while obliquely suggesting it should be done. Only 1, repeat only one, member contacted me, and we exchanged phones, emails and first names.

For a number of reasons, we have to "bug in", we're going nowhere if any SHTF situation, natural or otherwise, were to occur.

Ultimately, we're alone in this world, except for a few physically close and trustworthy friends and family.

 

[SomeSoldier]

I am VERY concerned about our financial longevity. We are in some very serious trouble in regards to the economy and our financial well being.

This all day. I am very certain that I will never be able to retire because of the economy. When the stock market self corrects it will be worse than housing bubble and when the US dollar loses its status as world's reserve currency that is it boys. We can buying loafs of bread for $2000.

 

[minderasr]

We can buying loafs of bread for $2000.

Gluten free?

 

[Gonzobird]

If a civil shooting war happens in this country it will be put out quick.

The feds have drones, aircraft and corporations making money building that shit. They also have a standing army. A few guys with ARs ain't goign to fair to well.

It will be a die trying effort on most of our parts....

Hate to realistic here but it ins't 1860 anymore. Stop fantasizing.

Not goign to happen. To many people in this country like begin able to go to the supermarket and take whatever drug and watch the idiot box or play video games.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

If a civil shooting war happens in this country it will be put out quick.

The feds have drones, aircraft and corporations making money building that shit. They also have a standing army. A few guys with ARs ain't goign to fair to well.

It will be a die trying effort on most of our parts....

Hate to realistic here but it ins't 1860 anymore. Stop fantasizing.

Not goign to happen. To many people in this country like begin able to go to the supermarket and take whatever drug and watch the idiot box or play video games.

I don't know. I can see things going many different ways and there just really isn't anyway to know how things would go. One thing I don't really buy though is that they are too strong and/or have too much technology so nothing will happen. The military is likely to fracture to begin with and if by a few guys with AR's you mean the some 12 odd million people with hunting licenses in this country, larger than any standing army in the world, then yeah I guess we have no hope. Even if only a fraction of that 12 million are in shape, trained, motivated it would still likely be way more people than the government has spread out over a very large country. There is no way they could control the entire country in a situation like that. They would likely control urban areas, but not much else. Their standing army, is what 1 million strong? Those aren't all combat troops and not all of them are state side. The American insurgency would be the biggest and most devastating in history and the founders planned it that way as a means of deterring and if need be, repelling a foreign invasion. There may not ever be a clear winner, but there was a saying by Tom Clancy, and I believe he got it right, and it goes something like "if the Soviet Union ever tried to invade and consume the United States, they would die of indigestion". You can adapt that to fit the circumstances of fighting off a tyrannical government.
In any case, I know what you mean about people being too complacent and yeah, we are an unorganized group so it could very well go as you say, but I just don't see it going like that.

 

[Blimey]

I don't know. I can see things going many different ways and there just really isn't anyway to know how things would go. One thing I don't really buy though is that they are too strong and/or have too much technology so nothing will happen. The military is likely to fracture to begin with and if by a few guys with AR's you mean the some 12 odd million people with hunting licenses in this country, larger than any standing army in the world, then yeah I guess we have no hope. Even if only a fraction of that 12 million are in shape, trained, motivated it would still likely be way more people than the government has spread out over a very large country. There is no way they could control the entire country in a situation like that. They would likely control urban areas, but not much else. Their standing army, is what 1 million strong? Those aren't all combat troops and not all of them are state side. The American insurgency would be the biggest and most devastating in history and the founders planned it that way as a means of deterring and if need be, repelling a foreign invasion. There may not ever be a clear winner, but there was a saying by Tom Clancy, and I believe he got it right, and it goes something like "if the Soviet Union ever tried to invade and consume the United States, they would die of indigestion". You can adapt that to fit the circumstances of fighting off a tyrannical government.
In any case, I know what you mean about people being too complacent and yeah, we are an unorganized group so it could very well go as you say, but I just don't see it going like that.

I agree. We can see in modern times that insurgencies are very difficult to deal with despite drones and air force.

Now have the people behind those drones and tanks and planes told to actually kill people in the same state they grew up in. Desertion rates would be through the roof. The US military is also only potent with a massive civilian infrastructure keeping it alive.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

There is also plenty of civilian drone/anti drone tech out there that could be weaponized. 3D printing, hackers, Etc, Etc, also. It would just be a matter of organization.. I think there would likely be pockets of resistance that eventually became aware of each other and then joined forces...or they'd fight each other too. either way it creates a volatile situation that our dear government is not going to be able to handle, at least not on it's own.

 

[Catskillkid]

I realize there were no drones in Vietnam, but how many MiGs did the Viet Cong have? How many drones does the Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc. have? They're all still there last I checked. Perhaps not controlling a whole lot of territory or being in a huge position of power but they never went away.

Civilian gun owners will likely never be able to go head-to-head and win against the US military but they sure has hell will keep them on their toes, sort of like the French Resistance during WWII? I don't have rose colored glasses. Just because you own an AR doesn't make you a war fighter. But I refuse to accept the argument that just because the standing military has tanks, planes, drones, machine guns, etc. that a civilian force cannot win. Time and time again its been either proven wrong or at the very least they fall into stalemate resulting in the occupying force having to withdraw once their funds cease. Our military expeditions overseas have proven this time and time again.

I'm also reminded that during the waning day of WWII, Churchill cautioned Stalin to consider the prospective of the Pope and the Catholic Church as they were hammering out the post-war world order. Stalin infamously replied, "How many divisions does the Pope have?" The Vatican has no military at all (unless you count the Swiss Guards) and the Catholic Church is still standing. The Soviet Union not so much.

 

[GTN]

I doubt that conservative/libertarian leaning Americans will, or indeed can, do anything. Are such Americans organized beyond a few thousand in isolated or widely separated areas?

This forum is primarily composed of like minded people spread over the whole state. Few of us have even met other members, let alone have serious contact information beyond NYGF. I have met only one member, although living in The 'Hood is limiting.

In another thread, I asked how many members had contact info for others, while obliquely suggesting it should be done. Only 1, repeat only one, member contacted me, and we exchanged phones, emails and first names.

For a number of reasons, we have to "bug in", we're going nowhere if any SHTF situation, natural or otherwise, were to occur.

Ultimately, we're alone in this world, except for a few physically close and trustworthy friends and family.

I have a few from here that I know and hang out with on a regular basis. I know a few that live close by. A lot of times when I’m reading stuff I like here I check their profiles but they don’t really give much of a clue as to where they live so I don’t bother contacting them. I like to know my neighbors

 

[Gonzobird]

Keep dreaming.

Anti drone tech? I work on infosec shit. Have fun beliveing jammers and people with 3d printers can outsmart the CIA, NSA and the Secret Service. The minitm you raise arms or cybettech against the US you are going to have a hard time being able to use electricity to run any of that tech. Tell me one type of generator that can't be scene with a FLIR device of some sort. You will just have a target on you.

The US army split? Again ypit give up your rights at that point. Go AWOL and see what happens.

MIGs o er Vietname? WTF? WE SHOT THEM ALL DOWN with F-4s...

The French restance? Respect to them but they had help from who? The United States and Britain and they were irrelevant after Normandy. Who would we have help from? Who would you get medical supplies, ammo, and food?

Hackers? Ok.... The internet is tracable. Everything has an IP address. Let's trace route that shit to the source. Not to mention ELECTRICITY! Kill your power kill your ability to have anything that isn't a physical lock

Some million AR owners with their tactacool shit fumbling over the CH when a platoon of people trained by the numbers are not going to last long.

Look before all you people start hating me what I am saying is be realistic. I don't like what I am seeing happening to this country but when the time.comes you best better be prepared to save you and yours and hope you can live off the land.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Keep dreaming.

Anti drone tech? I work on infosec shit. Have fun beliveing jammers and people with 3d printers can outsmart the CIA, NSA and the Secret Service. The minitm you raise arms or cybettech against the US you are going to have a hard time being able to use electricity to run any of that tech. Tell me one type of generator that can't be scene with a FLIR device of some sort. You will just have a target on you.

The US army split? Again ypit give up your rights at that point. Go AWOL and see what happens.

MIGs o er Vietname? WTF? WE SHOT THEM ALL DOWN with F-4s...

The French restance? Respect to them but they had help from who? The United States and Britain and they were irrelevant after Normandy. Who would we have help from? Who would you get medical supplies, ammo, and food?

Hackers? Ok.... The internet is tracable. Everything has an IP address. Let's trace route that shit to the source. Not to mention ELECTRICITY! Kill your power kill your ability to have anything that isn't a physical lock

Some million AR owners with their tactacool shit fumbling over the CH when a platoon of people trained by the numbers are not going to last long.

Look before all you people start hating me what I am saying is be realistic. I don't like what I am seeing happening to this country but when the time.comes you best better be prepared to save you and yours and hope you can live off the land.

Lol. This one especially kills me: Hackers? Ok.... The internet is tracable. Everything has an IP address. Let's trace route that shit to the source. Not to mention ELECTRICITY! Kill your power kill your ability to have anything that isn't a physical lock