Things are heating up in the Donbass

[spat]

Go away asshole and take your globalist propaganda with you.

You are as blinded by your devotion to the Russians as the resident flat earther is by his ever nuttier conspiracy theories.

Hint, you can believe the earth is round, and *also* believe most of our institutions shouldn't be trusted as far as you can throw them.

You can believe the Russians are the bad guys here, without thinking there are *any * good guys.

The alternative to Globalism is not Russian imperialism.

The only thing Russian imperialism is the alternative to in the 21st century is sanity.

 

[tirwin1]

Oh Gee, they all made a mistake. "He fought against the Russians during WWII". Who could have thought he was a Nazi.

If they hosted a violin concert with the Russians would that make it all better? You know, like the north Korea situation?

 

[Mosinitis]

If they hosted a violin concert with the Russians would that make it all better? You know, like the north Korea situation?

After many decades people there still remember what the Russians did for them. Perhaps some day people in Afghanistan will feel the same way about Americans, but I seriously doubt it.

 

[Mosinitis]

You are as blinded by your devotion to the Russians as the resident flat earther is by his ever nuttier conspiracy theories.

Hint, you can believe the earth is round, and *also* believe most of our institutions shouldn't be trusted as far as you can throw them.

You can believe the Russians are the bad guys here, without thinking there are *any * good guys.

The alternative to Globalism is not Russian imperialism.

The only thing Russian imperialism is the alternative to in the 21st century is sanity.

I am very proud of Russia, of Russian president Putin, of my Jewish-Russian roots and Russian stance for historical truth and justice. I imagine people who applaud SS veterans and invite Neo-Nazi militants as honorable speakers will disapprove. I can live with it.

 

[Defilade]

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[spat]

I am very proud of Russia, of my Jewish-Russian roots and Russian stance for historical truth and justice. I imagine people who applaud SS veterans and invite Neo-Nazi militants as honorable speakers will disapprove. I can live with it.

Those are all well and good.

There is much to be proud of.

But you are allowing that to blind you to their faults.

Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler, and current Russian leadership applauds far worse people than those.

 

[Acer-m14]

Russia the Southern Boarder is wide ass open here ..

 

[Mosinitis]

Those are all well and good.

There is much to be proud of.

But you are allowing that to blind you to their faults.

Stalin was every bit as bad as Hitler, and current Russian leadership applauds far worse people than those.

No he wasn't and this nerrative was created by people who were more in bed with Hitler then on the battlefield against him.

 

[Mosinitis]

Every time Margery Taylor Green says something politically incorrect, she is labeled a Nazi. Yet, the same critics are silent when the entire Canadian Parliament has a standing ovation for SS veteran. It wasn't a mistake, they knew who he was. Who else could he be per introduction.

 

[spat]

Every time Margery Taylor Green says something politically incorrect, she is labeled a Nazi. Yet, the same critics are silent when the entire Canadian Parliament has a standing ovation for SS veteran. It wasn't a mistake, they knew who he was. Who else could he be per introduction.

Because they are targeting their rhetoric to people with the political sophistication of kindergarteners.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Canadian Parlament gives a standing ovation to 98 year old veteran of the 1st Galician Waffen SS division, honoring him as a fighter for Ukrainian independence, during Zelensky visit.

Canadian parliament speaker ‘regrets’ honoring Ukrainian Nazi SS veteran

The speaker of Canada’s parliament has apologized for honoring a Ukrainian veteran of the German Waffen SS

www.rt.com

That's a REALLLLLLY BAD look.

 

[Mosinitis]

Yaroslav Hanka - raising both fists, applauded by the entire Canadian Parliament, Canadian Prime Minister and Ukrainian President.

Yaroslav Hunka scandal - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mosinitis]

...... and the scandal keeps growing. Now the Polish ambassador voiced his protest.

Witold Dzielski, the Polish ambassador in Ottawa, has said that the SS unit was “responsible for murdering thousands of Poles & Jews” and that Waraw will “never agree on whitewashing such villains” despite its support for Kiev.

Canada has a long history of sheltering WWII criminals, despite decision of Nuremberg trial. They are not even in hiding, lived under their real name and proud of their past.

Canada saluting a Ukrainian Nazi was no accident

Ottawa has a history of covering for Nazis, from World War II to modern-day Kiev

www.rt.com

Memorials in Canada to Nazis and Nazi collaborators - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[tirwin1]

After many decades people there still remember what the Russians did for them. Perhaps some day people in Afghanistan will feel the same way about Americans, but I seriously doubt it.

I think the taliban is very grateful for the billions in military hardware we gave them in our rush out of the country.

 

[lrick]

Looks like if you're backed by the globalist cabal you don't have to follow the Geneva Convention. Who knew?

War criminals.

*Graphic Warning* Drone Footage Allegedly Shows 30th Mechanized Brigade in Ukraine Dropping Grenades on Surrendering Russian Soldier | The Gateway Pundit | by Brian Lupo

In a video posted to X and also shared by channel “Aerobomber” with a description in Ukrainian text translated to “We destroy a horde of bastards with drones”, an egregious violation of the Geneva Convention can be seen if the footage is legitimate.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[spat]

Looks like if you're backed by the globalist cabal you don't have to follow the Geneva Convention. Who knew?

War criminals.

*Graphic Warning* Drone Footage Allegedly Shows 30th Mechanized Brigade in Ukraine Dropping Grenades on Surrendering Russian Soldier | The Gateway Pundit | by Brian Lupo

In a video posted to X and also shared by channel “Aerobomber” with a description in Ukrainian text translated to “We destroy a horde of bastards with drones”, an egregious violation of the Geneva Convention can be seen if the footage is legitimate.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

The rules for every war are written by the victors.

What do you think Nuremberg would have looked like if Germany had won that war...

 

[Mosinitis]

Looks like if you're backed by the globalist cabal you don't have to follow the Geneva Convention. Who knew?

War criminals.

*Graphic Warning* Drone Footage Allegedly Shows 30th Mechanized Brigade in Ukraine Dropping Grenades on Surrendering Russian Soldier | The Gateway Pundit | by Brian Lupo

In a video posted to X and also shared by channel “Aerobomber” with a description in Ukrainian text translated to “We destroy a horde of bastards with drones”, an egregious violation of the Geneva Convention can be seen if the footage is legitimate.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

It's not just they think they can get away with it. This is a part of the Western strategy to drive a bigger wedge between people who normally were culturally close or the same. During initial Donbas rebellion Ukrainian military proved to be ineffective, some were disarmed by shaming from civilians and some even switched sides. This is why units like Azov were formed. The West has accepted the dangers of arming and training radical fanatics because they are effective. Eventually these people will turn on Western society after they are abandoned. The price will be paid by the average shmoes and the architects of this conflict will act as protectors. JUST LIKE IT WAS AFTER 9/11.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

It's not just they think they can get away with it. This is a part of the Western strategy to drive a bigger wedge between people who normally were culturally close or the same. During initial Donbas rebelling Ukrainian military proved to be ineffective, some were disarmed by shaming from civilians and some even switched sides. This is why units like Azov were formed. The West has accepted the dangers of arming and training radical fanatics because they are effective. Eventually these people will turn on Western society after they are abandoned. The price will be paid by the average shmoes and the architects of this conflict will act as protectors. JUST LIKE IT WAS AFTER 9/11.

Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia

2018 - Azov were literal nazis

Commentary: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem

As Ukraine's struggle against Russia and its proxies continues, Kiev must also contend with a growing problem behind the front lines: far-right vigilantes who are willing to use intimidation and even violence to advance their agendas, and who often do so with the tacit approval of law...

www.reuters.com

Then with the wave of a magic wand a dash of political convenience and short term memory on simpletons following the propoganda thing of the day down the tiktok memoryhole

2021- Azov were heros fighting nazis

Oceania has always been at war with Eurasia


Weird.... it's like there is an actual ministry of truth out there. 1984 wasn't supposed to be a blueprint.

 

[tirwin1]

Interesting summary of the state of the war at the moment.

About Ukraine's 'Failed' Counteroffensive...

pjmedia.com

The much anticipated spring offensive by Ukraine hasn't been the success a lot of people were expecting. It seems pretty much like a stalemate.

 

[MothMan]

The rules for every war are written by the victors.

What do you think Nuremberg would have looked like if Germany had won that war...

A blood stained bullet pockmarked wall.

 

[lrick]

The rules sentences for every war are written by the victors.

What do you think Nuremberg would have looked like if Germany had won that war...

FIFY

GC are still the accepted rules, observed, enforced or not. Victory determined that trial and has yet to be called for this.

The crimes (if this is legit) still stand for punishment in the present or condemnation in the future....isn't that the very reason for re-writing history?

I take your comment as rhetorical posturing and not a reasoned justification.

Looking at this whole thing at 30,000 makes it feel like we are debating a WWE match with WEF, et al. playing the part of Vince McMahon.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Mosinitis]

This is the first time since the end of WWII any government on planet earth recognized Nazi side in WWII as good guys. The entire Canadian Government at that. It was obvious which side he was on from the introduction. Unless they are all uneducated and illiterate, hard to claim ignorance.

Moscow reacts to Canada honoring Nazi veteran

Moscow calls the Canadian parliament’s public honoring of a WWII Nazi veteran a showcase of the blatant Russophobia of Trudeau’s government

www.rt.com

 

[spat]

FIFY

GC are still the accepted rules, observed, enforced or not. Victory determined that trial and has yet to be called for this.

The crimes (if this is legit) still stand for punishment in the present or condemnation in the future....isn't that the very reason for re-writing history?

I take your comment as rhetorical posturing and not a reasoned justification.

Looking at this whole thing at 30,000 makes it feel like we are debating a WWE match with WEF, et al. playing the part of Vince McMahon.

GC are a joke.

They are just an excuse the victors use to punish the vanquished.

Everyone violates them, generally only the losers guys get punished.

 

[Mosinitis]

More fallout from Hero of Canada scandal.

Polish officials said they will investigate and may seek extradition and prosecution of Hunka on war crimes. His unit was responsible for burning down Polish villages.
UN added its voice to criticism of Canadian.
Not surprising the government of Belarus condemned the actions of Canada. One out of four residents of Belarus were murdered during Nazi occupation.
No reaction from Israel yet. Holding my breath

Another historical fact to remember at the time this Hero of Canada volunteered to enlist into 14th Grenadier Waffen SS Division, Hitler already made it clear, there wasn't going to be a Ukrainian state and trainloads of Ukrainian people were sent to Germany as slave labor.
His service in the SS had nothing to do with any hopes for Ukrainian independence.

Polish minister calls for extradition of Ukrainian Nazi honored in Canada

The Polish minister of education has “taken steps” towards the extradition of a Ukrainian Nazi SS veteran celebrated in Canada’s parliament

www.rt.com

 

[lrick]

Well..... A representative with common sense and brains! Kudos to Rand Paul! Anyone in support of Ukraine can send their own money over there or better yet pick up a rifle and get on the front lines otherwise STFU! Stop steeling other peoples money!

Amen. ETA: forgot kudos for @Bigfoot for posting the video.

But..but...but...Russian Imperialism

But...but...but...Russia was the invader...and they just won't stop

Bah. The global cabal with their dystopian agendas is a far bigger threat to OUR WAY OF LIFE today than the whole USSR ever was. I served during the Cold War, under the paradigm of Soviet aggression, everything we did was built upon that backdrop and the world was kept in better check than it is today. No one threatened us to eat bugs, take away our possessions and our rights as they openly do today.

US meddling sucked Russia in, in just the same way US meddling sucked Iraq into Kuwait, paving the way for US intervention. Our presence in the Middle East invited terrorism (or at least the specter of it), paving the way for the Patriot Act, bogus WMDs paved the way for another invasion and occupation. We do shit all the time to set up intentional blowback to further objectives. FFS Obama/Clinton damn near invited them into Crimea. Why didn't we stop the USSR rebuilding boogeyman then? So what, EIGHT YEARS LATER they move into Ukraine proper? That's a hell of a Blitzkrieg isn't it? There is hardly a war in the past 50+ years that doesn't somehow have our fingerprints on it. Biden/Obama meddling and corruption in Ukraine deserves full scrutiny.

This isn't about promoting democracy, it's about rolling out the global socialist agenda, the globalists' version, and with the globalists in the driver's seat. But first they have to subsume all vestiges of it to bring it under *their* control.

 

[Defilade]

Amen. ETA: forgot kudos for @Bigfoot for posting the video.

But..but...but...Russian Imperialism

But...but...but...Russia was the invader...and they just won't stop

Bah. The global cabal with their dystopian agendas is a far bigger threat to OUR WAY OF LIFE today than the whole USSR ever was. I served during the Cold War, under the paradigm of Soviet aggression, everything we did was built upon that backdrop and the world was kept in better check than it is today. No one threatened us to eat bugs, take away our possessions and our rights as they openly do today.

US meddling sucked Russia in, in just the same way US meddling sucked Iraq into Kuwait, paving the way for US intervention. Our presence in the Middle East invited terrorism (or at least the specter of it), paving the way for the Patriot Act, bogus WMDs paved the way for another invasion and occupation. We do shit all the time to set up intentional blowback to further objectives. FFS Obama/Clinton damn near invited them into Crimea. Why didn't we stop the USSR rebuilding boogeyman then? So what, EIGHT YEARS LATER they move into Ukraine proper? That's a hell of a Blitzkrieg isn't it? There is hardly a war in the past 50+ years that doesn't somehow have our fingerprints on it. Biden/Obama meddling and corruption in Ukraine deserves full scrutiny.

This isn't about promoting democracy, it's about rolling out the global socialist agenda, the globalists' version, and with the globalists in the driver's seat. But first they have to subsume all vestiges of it to bring it under *their* control.

Exactly right. The Global Socialist agenda continues on. They have told us is their own writings like this globalists P.O.S did years ago. He had his hand in it for decades.

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[lrick]

So much back and forth posturing in this thread, getting caught up in historical paradigms that detract from the bigger picture of today...

So I offer this...



go ahead, push it...

GC are a joke.

They are just an excuse the victors use to punish the vanquished.

Everyone violates them, generally only the losers guys get punished.

Please just stop with the color of war excuse-making. Wrong is wrong. Russia is no better, but one does not excuse the other.

 

[Mosinitis]

If we only were told what we like to hear, we would still be sucking our thumb and pooping in our pants.

Russian government condemns incidents of war crimes by their military when they are real. Ukrainian government romanticizes such incidents and promotes them in the state and social media.

 

[tirwin1]