Things are heating up in the Donbass

[GOPerfect]

Question...Historically was Palestine ever a country?

Answer..... No, there was never a sovereign, independent country with the name Palestine. The wording Palestine came into use after the Romans put down the second uprising of the Israelites in 135 AD and renamed their province Yehuda into Syria Palestina.

 

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Historical Map of Palestine under Joshua and the Judges (1250-1125 B.C.) there is no Israel
there

 

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Heres some of the history of the area, I skiped the early and later periods for brevity, but Ill link it

Timeline of the Palestine region - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Allowing for varying starting dates (see above under Roman period), this timeline chooses for convenience's sake to set the starting year of the Byzantine period as 313, when Constantine declared Christianity a permitted religion. The period ends with the Muslim conquest of Palestine in 637–641.

• 313 – Roman co-emperors Constantine I and Licinius declare that Christianity is an acceptable religion.[73]
• 324 – Constantine—having defeated Emperor Maximian, Caesar of the Western Roman Empire at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge—becomes the sole ruler of the re-united Roman Empire with its capital at Byzantium (New Rome). Queen Helena, a devout Christian, wife of Eastern Roman Emperor Constantius and mother of Constantine the Great, departs for the Holy Land and begins the construction of churches.
• 326–333 – Concurrent construction of the world's first 4 state-sponsored purpose-built churches under the tutelage of Constantine and Helena: the Church of the Nativity is built in Bethlehem, marking the site where according to Christian tradition Jesus was born; "Eleona" (Greek: Olive) on the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem, also called "Chapel of the Apostles", marking the site where, according to Christian tradition, Jesus ascended to heaven; the Church of the Holy Cross,[citation needed] later called the Church of the Resurrection and Church of the Holy Sepulchre, is built in Jerusalem around the hill of Golgotha, marking the site where, according to Christian tradition, Jesus was crucified, buried, and resurrected; and the basilica of St. George at Mamre (Ramat el-Khalil), near Hebron.
• c. 350 – The Christian monk Hilarion founds the first church in Haluza and converts a large portion of the population.[74]
• 351/2 – Jewish revolt centered around Sepphoris against the Caesar of the Byzantine (Eastern Roman) Emperor Constantius Gallus. The revolt is quickly subdued by Gallus' general Ursicinus.[75]
• c. 357 – Palestine is divided into the provinces Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Salutaris.[76]
• 361–363 – Roman emperor Julian the Apostate orders Alypius of Antioch to rebuild the Jewish Temple.[77]
• 363 – An earthquake with its epicenter in the Galilee rocks Palestine.[78] The earthquake results in, among other things, a halt in the construction of the Jewish Temple, mainly because it ruins the early stages of the construction. Ultimately the plan to rebuild the Temple is scrapped after the death of emperor Julian in June 363.
• 374/5 – Melania the Elder founds a monastery on the Mount of Olives which also functions as a hostel for pilgrims.[74]
• c. 400 – Palestine proper is split into the provinces Palaestina Prima and Palaestina Secunda. Palaestina Salutaris is renamed Palaestina Tertia.[79]
• 425 – The Sanhedrin is disbanded by the Byzantine Empire.

The Madaba Map depiction of 6th-century Jerusalem

• 438-439 – Empress Aelia Eudocia Augusta visits Jerusalem for the first time.[80]
• 451 – The Council of Chalcedon declares that Jerusalem shall be a patriachate.[81]
• 484 – Samaritans revolt as Emperor Zeno has a church built on their holy mountain, Gerizim.[82]
• 529 – The Samaritans rebel against the Romans.[83] Samaritanism loses its religio licita status as punishment.[84]
• 541/2 – The bubonic plague sweeps Palestine.[8]
• 555/6 – Uprising by Samaritans and Jews centered around Caesarea.[85]
• 571 – Muhammad, founder of Islam, is born in Mecca.[73]
• 613 – The Sasanian Empire (Persian Empire) captures several Palestinian cities on the coast.[86]
• 614 May – The Sasanian Empire under general Shahrbaraz captures and sacks Jerusalem;[86] the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is damaged by fire and the True Cross is captured.[86]
• 629 – Byzantine Emperor Heraclius retakes Jerusalem after the decisive defeat of the Sassanid Empire at the Battle of Nineveh in 627. Heraclius personally returns the True Cross to the city.[87]
• 634 February 4 – The Rashidun Caliphate defeats a 300-man-strong Byzantine force led by Dux Sergius at the Battle of Dathin, near Gaza.[88]

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Early Muslim period​

See also: Early Muslim conquests and Muslim conquest of the Levant

Rashidun period​

• 637 (or 638) – Jerusalem falls to the armies of Rashidun caliph Umar Ibn el-Khatab.[89] Jews are permitted to return to the city after 568 years of Roman and Byzantine rule.[90]
  • June/July – The Rashiduns capture Gaza.[89]
  • summer – Ascalon surrenders to the Rashiduns.[89]
  • late – The Rashiduns and the Byzantines consent to a truce.[89]
• 640 – The Rashiduns capture Caesarea.[72]
• 641 – The Rashiduns capture Ashkelon, completing their conquest of the Holy Land.
• 659 – Earthquake.[91]

Umayyad period​

The Dome of the Rock (photograph from 1856)

• 661 – The Umayyad family takes control of the caliphate and moves its capital to Damascus, following the assassination of the Caliph Ali ibn Abi Talib.[92]
• 687–691 – The Dome of the Rock is built on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem at the site where, according to Islam, Muhammad ascended to heaven.[73]
• c. 715 – Sulayman ibn Abd al-Malik founds Ramla; it becomes the capital and administrative center of Palestine.[93]
• 744:
  • February – Caliph Hisham ibn Abd al-Malik dies and is succeeded by Al-Walid II.[94]
  • spring – Beginning of widespread mutinies against the Umayyads.[94]
  • April – Caliph Al-Walid II is assassinated and succeeded by Yazid III.[94]
  • October – Yazid III is assassinated and succeeded by Ibrahim ibn al-Walid.[94]
  • November – Caliph Ibrahim is defeated in battle by Marwan II who becomes the new caliph.[94]
• 745 – Theodore is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[94]
• 749 January 18 – The Galilee earthquake destroys Tiberias, Scythopolis, Hippos, and Pella. Many other cities throughout the Jordan valley suffer heavy damage. Tens of thousands of lives are lost.[95][96] Scythopolis (Beit She'an) was one of the cities destroyed during 749 Galilee earthquake

Abbasid period​

• 747–750 – Civil war resulting in the overthrow of the Umayyads; the Abbasid family seize control of the caliphate.[97]
• 758 – The Caliph Al-Mansur visits Jerusalem and possibly orders the renovation of the Dome of the Rock.[98]
• 762 – The Abbasids found Baghdad and designate it the caliphate's new capital.[99]
• 792/3 – War between the tribes of Palestine[100]
• 796 – Battles between the tribes of Palestine.[101]
• 799 – The Patriarch of Jerusalem sends a mission to the Frankish king Charlemagne and the latter returns the favor.[102]
• c. 800 – The Jewish High Council, headed by Gaon, moves from Tiberias to Jerusalem.[103]
• 800 – The Patriarch of Jerusalem sends another mission to Charlemagne carrying the keys to the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, together with a banner.[104]
• 807 – A rebellion breaks out. Led by Abu'l-Nida', it has its epicenter in Eilat.[105]
• 813 – Earthquake.[106]
• c. 820 – The Church of the Holy Sepulchre is repaired.[107]
• 820 – Basil is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[108]
• 855 – Solomon is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[107]
• 885 – The Abbasids reconquer Damascus.[109]
• 873 – The governor of Egypt, Ahmad Ibn Tulun, breaks with the Abbasids and establishes independent rule.[109]
• 878 – The Tulunids occupy most of the former Byzantine Diocese of the East, enabling them to defend Egypt against Abbasid attacks.[110]
• 879 – Elias III is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[111]
• c. 881 – Elias III of Jerusalem appeals to the Franks.[112]
• c. 903 – Persian geographer Ibn al-Faqih visits Jerusalem.[113]
• 905/6 – The Abbasids regain control of Palestine.[109]
• 908/9 – Al-Muqtadir forbids Christians from serving in administrative positions.[114]
• c. 913 – Spanish scholar Ibn Abd Rabbih visits Jerusalem.[113]
• 935 – Al-Ikhshid takes control of Egypt and establishes independent rule.[109]
• 937 March 26 – Rioting Muslims burn down the Church of the Resurrection and loot the Chapel of Golgotha.[115]
• 939:
  • October 17 – Muhammad ibn Ra'iq conquers Ramla.[116]
  • late – Battle of al-'Arish between Ibn Ra'iq and al-Ikhshid.[116]
• 946 July – Sayf al-Dawla invades Palestine.[117]
• 966 – A Muslim-Jewish mob torches the Church of Resurrection, plunders it, and kills Jerusalem's Patriarch John VII.[118]

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Fatimid period​

• 969/70 – The Fatimids, a self-proclaimed Shia caliphate, defeat the Ikhshidids and appoint a Jewish governor.[109]
• 971 – The Qarmatians attack Damascus.[109]
  • September 5 – The Qarmatians conquer Ramla.[119]
  • December – The Fatimids ward off a Qarmatian invasion near Fustat.[119]
• 972 or 975 – Byzantine emperor John I Tzimiskes leads an expedition that reaches as far south as Caesarea and Tiberias in Palestine.[120]
• 975:
  • winter – The Turkish officer Alptakin conquers Sidon and slaughters the population.[121]
  • spring – Alptakin conquers Tiberias.[122]
  • April – Alptakin conquers Damascus.[122]
• 977 March 12 – Ramla is again conquered by the Qarmatians.[123]
• 978:
  • Joseph II is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[123]
  • August 15 – A massive Fatimid army defeats Alptakin and the Qarmatians in southern Palestine.[124]
• 978–979 winter – The Jewish Fatimid general tries to negotiate with the leader of the Hamdanids, but their leader Abu Taghlib refuses because Fadl is a Jew.[125] He later agrees to negotiations with Fadl who offers him Ramla in exchange for ousting the Jarrahids.[126]
• 979 August – Abu Taghlib launches a failed offensive on Ramla and is taken captive and executed.[126]
• 981:
  • June – Damascus is besieged by a Fatimid army.[123]
  • July – The Bedouins, led by the Jarrahids, rebel against the Fatimids.[127]
• 983 July 5 – Damascus is conquered by a Fatimid army.[123]
• 984 – Orestes is appointed patriarch of Jerusalem.[123]
• 991 February 24 – Ya'qub ibn Killis dies.[128]
• 996–998 – Revolt in Tyre. The rebels call for and receive support from the Byzantines. The Fatimids put the city under siege and it falls in May 998. The rebel leader is tortured and crucified.[129]
• 1006–1007 – Russian abbot Daniel makes pilgrimage to Palestine.[130]
• 1008 – Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah forbids Jerusalem Christians from performing the Palm Sunday procession.[106]
• 1009 October 18 – Caliph al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah orders the destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.[131]
• 1011–1013 February – Uprising of the Yemenite Djarrahid Bedouin tribe who seize Ramla and establish a mini-caliphate.[132]
• 1012 – Beginning of al-Hakim bi-Amr Allah's oppressive decrees against Christians and Jews.[133]
• 1015 September 4 – Earthquake. The dome of the Dome of the Rock collapses.[134]
• 1021 February 13 – Caliph Al-Hakim is assassinated and succeeded by his son al-Zahir.[135]
• 1024 September – Bedouin rebellion erupts over tax-collecting privileges (iqta'a). The Bedouins attack and loot Ramla and Tiberias.[136]
• 1026–1027 – Richard of Verdun makes pilgrimage to Palestine.[137]
• 1027 – A treaty is signed between the Byzantine emperor and the Fatimid caliph. It permits the rebuilding of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, and allows Christians who had converted to Islam under duress to return to their former faith. It also granted the emperor the right to designate the patriarch of Jerusalem. In return, the mosque of Constantinople would be reopened.[138]
• 1029 – Anushtakin defeats a Bedouin coalition that challenges Fatimid rule in Palestine and Syria.[139]
• 1032 – Renovations of the Dome of the Rock ordered by Caliph al-Zahir are finished.[140]
• 1033:
  • Jerusalem's city walls are rebuilt.[141]
  • December 5 – 1033 Jordan Rift Valley earthquake.[142]
• 1047 – Persian poet and traveler Nasir Khusraw visits Palestine.[143]
• 1063 – The Fatimids strengthen or rebuild the walls of Jerusalem.[144]
• 1064–1065 – The Great German Pilgrimage takes place.[145]
• 1068 – An earthquake destroys Ramla, killing an estimated 15,000.[146]
• 1071 – The Seljuk Turks invade large portions of West Asia, including Asia Minor and the Eastern Mediterranean; they capture Ramla and lay siege to Jerusalem.[147]
• 1073 – The Seljuks invade Palestine.[148]
• 1075:
  • The Seljuks capture Damascus.[147]
  • A severe drought hits Palestine.[149]
• 1077 – The Seljuks capture Jaffa.[147]
• 1089 – The Fatimids conquer Tyre.[150]
• 1092–1095 – Abu Bakr ibn al-Arabi stays in Jerusalem.[151]
• 1093 – Muslims in coastal communities bar Christians from entering Palestine.[152]
• 1095 November 27 – Pope Urban II launches the First Crusade at the Council of Clermont. Its principal objectives are Catholic reconquest of the sacred city of Jerusalem and the Holy Land, and the freeing of Eastern Christians from Islamic rule.
• 1098:
  • July – The Fatimids lay siege to Jerusalem.[144]
  • August 26 – The Fatimids recapture Jerusalem.[153]

 

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16th century​

Walls of Jerusalem (photo taken in 2005)

• 1517:
  • The Ottomans conquer Palestine.[181]
  • 1517 – 1517 Hebron pogrom.
• 1538–1535 – Suleiman the Magnificent restores the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Jerusalem city walls (which are the current walls of the Old City of Jerusalem).
• 1541 – Ottoman Sultan Suleiman I seals off the Golden Gate to prevent the Jewish Messiah's entrance.
• 1546 January 14 – A devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was in the Jordan River in a location between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee. The cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Nablus, Gaza, and Damascus were heavily damaged.

17th century​

• 1660 – The towns of Safed and nearby Tiberias, with substantial Jewish communities, were destroyed in the turmoil following the 1658 death of Mulhim Ma'n,[182] with only Safed being repopulated shortly after the destruction.[183][184] Some sources place the destruction of Safed in 1662.[185]
• 1604 – First Protectorate of missions under the Capitulations of the Ottoman Empire: Ahmad I agreed that the subjects of Henry IV of France were free to visit the Holy Places of Jerusalem. French missionaries begin to travel to Jerusalem and other major Ottoman cities.
• 1663–1665 – Sabbatai Zevi, founder of the Sabbateans, preaches in Jerusalem before travelling back to his native Smyrna where he proclaimed himself the Messiah.

18th century​

Battle of Nazareth (painting by Antoine-Jean Gros from 1801)

• 1700 – Judah the Pious and 1,000 followers settle in Jerusalem.
• 1742–1777 – Several Jewish Hassidic leaders (including Rabbi Abraham Gershon of Kitob and Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk) move to the Holy Land with many followers of the Baal Shem Tov. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Hassidic community in the region.
• 1759 October 30 – Another devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was again in the Jordan River, in a location between the Sea of Galilee and the Hula Valley. The cities of Safed, Tiberias, Acre, and Sidon were heavily damaged.
• 1798 – Napoleon Bonaparte leads the French Campaign in Egypt and Syria.
• 1799:
  • March 3–4 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Jaffa – Napoleon captures the city of Jaffa.
  • March 20–May 21 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Acre – An unsuccessful attempt by Napoleon to capture the city of Acre.
  • April 8 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Nazareth.
  • April 11 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Cana.
  • April 16 – Napoleonic Wars: The Battle of Mount Tabor – Napoleon drives Ottoman Turks across the River Jordan near Acre.

19th century​

Galilee earthquake of 1837

• 1808–1810 – Students of Elijah ben Solomon Zalman (Gr"a), amounting to 501 families, arrive in the Holy Land. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Ashkenazi community in the region.
• 1832 May 10 – Mohammed Ali, leading Egyptian forces, and aided by local Maronites, seizes Acre from the Ottoman Empire after a 7-month siege.
• 1834 – Peasants' revolt in Palestine - revolt by Arab Palestinian peasants against Egyptian conscription and taxation policies.
• 1837 January 1 – Galilee earthquake of 1837 – A devastating earthquake shakes the Galilee region, killing thousands of people.[186]
• 1840 July 15 – The Austrian Empire, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the Kingdom of Prussia, and the Russian Empire sign the Convention of London with the ruler of the Ottoman Empire. The signatories offered to Muhammad Ali and his heirs permanent control over Egypt and the Acre Sanjak (roughly what is now Israel), provided that these territories remain part of the Ottoman Empire and that Ali agreed within ten days to withdraw from the rest of Syria and return to Sultan Abdülmecid I the Ottoman fleet which had defected to Alexandria. Muhammad Ali was also to immediately withdraw his forces from Arabia, the Holy Cities, Crete, the district of Adana, and all of the Ottoman Empire.
• 1860 – The first Jewish neighborhood (Mishkenot Sha'ananim) is built outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.[187]
• 1874 – Jerusalem becomes a Mutesarrifiyyet gaining a special administrative status.
• 1882–1903 – The First Aliyah took place: 25,000–35,000 Jews immigrate to Ottoman Syria.
• 1887–1888 – Ottoman Syria is divided into Jerusalem Sanjak, Nablus Sanjak, and Acre Sanjak
• 1897 August 29–31 – The First Zionist Congress is held in Basel, Switzerland. During it, the World Zionist Organization is founded and the Basel Declaration is approved. The latter determine that the Zionist movement's ultimate aim is to establish and secure under public law a homeland for the Jewish people. The homeland is to be located in the Biblical region dubbed variously "The Holy Land" or "Palestine" by the European Christians during the Catholic and later secular Enlightenment.
• 1898 – German Kaiser Wilhelm visits Jerusalem to dedicate the Lutheran Church of the Redeemer. He meets Theodor Herzl outside city walls.

 

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16th century​

Walls of Jerusalem (photo taken in 2005)

• 1517:
  • The Ottomans conquer Palestine.[181]
  • 1517 – 1517 Hebron pogrom.
• 1538–1535 – Suleiman the Magnificent restores the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Jerusalem city walls (which are the current walls of the Old City of Jerusalem).
• 1541 – Ottoman Sultan Suleiman I seals off the Golden Gate to prevent the Jewish Messiah's entrance.
• 1546 January 14 – A devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was in the Jordan River in a location between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee. The cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Nablus, Gaza, and Damascus were heavily damaged.

17th century​

• 1660 – The towns of Safed and nearby Tiberias, with substantial Jewish communities, were destroyed in the turmoil following the 1658 death of Mulhim Ma'n,[182] with only Safed being repopulated shortly after the destruction.[183][184] Some sources place the destruction of Safed in 1662.[185]
• 1604 – First Protectorate of missions under the Capitulations of the Ottoman Empire: Ahmad I agreed that the subjects of Henry IV of France were free to visit the Holy Places of Jerusalem. French missionaries begin to travel to Jerusalem and other major Ottoman cities.
• 1663–1665 – Sabbatai Zevi, founder of the Sabbateans, preaches in Jerusalem before travelling back to his native Smyrna where he proclaimed himself the Messiah.

18th century​

Battle of Nazareth (painting by Antoine-Jean Gros from 1801)

• 1700 – Judah the Pious and 1,000 followers settle in Jerusalem.
• 1742–1777 – Several Jewish Hassidic leaders (including Rabbi Abraham Gershon of Kitob and Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk) move to the Holy Land with many followers of the Baal Shem Tov. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Hassidic community in the region.
• 1759 October 30 – Another devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was again in the Jordan River, in a location between the Sea of Galilee and the Hula Valley. The cities of Safed, Tiberias, Acre, and Sidon were heavily damaged.
• 1798 – Napoleon Bonaparte leads the French Campaign in Egypt and Syria.
• 1799:
  • March 3–4 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Jaffa – Napoleon captures the city of Jaffa.
  • March 20–May 21 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Acre – An unsuccessful attempt by Napoleon to capture the city of Acre.
  • April 8 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Nazareth.
  • April 11 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Cana.
  • April 16 – Napoleonic Wars: The Battle of Mount Tabor – Napoleon drives Ottoman Turks across the River Jordan near Acre.

19th century​

Galilee earthquake of 1837

• 1808–1810 – Students of Elijah ben Solomon Zalman (Gr"a), amounting to 501 families, arrive in the Holy Land. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Ashkenazi community in the region.
• 1832 May 10 – Mohammed Ali, leading Egyptian forces, and aided by local Maronites, seizes Acre from the Ottoman Empire after a 7-month siege.
• 1834 – Peasants' revolt in Palestine - revolt by Arab Palestinian peasants against Egyptian conscription and taxation policies.
• 1837 January 1 – Galilee earthquake of 1837 – A devastating earthquake shakes the Galilee region, killing thousands of people.[186]
• 1840 July 15 – The Austrian Empire, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the Kingdom of Prussia, and the Russian Empire sign the Convention of London with the ruler of the Ottoman Empire. The signatories offered to Muhammad Ali and his heirs permanent control over Egypt and the Acre Sanjak (roughly what is now Israel), provided that these territories remain part of the Ottoman Empire and that Ali agreed within ten days to withdraw from the rest of Syria and return to Sultan Abdülmecid I the Ottoman fleet which had defected to Alexandria. Muhammad Ali was also to immediately withdraw his forces from Arabia, the Holy Cities, Crete, the district of Adana, and all of the Ottoman Empire.
• 1860 – The first Jewish neighborhood (Mishkenot Sha'ananim) is built outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.[187]
• 1874 – Jerusalem becomes a Mutesarrifiyyet gaining a special administrative status.
• 1882–1903 – The First Aliyah took place: 25,000–35,000 Jews immigrate to Ottoman Syria.
• 1887–1888 – Ottoman Syria is divided into Jerusalem Sanjak, Nablus Sanjak, and Acre Sanjak
• 1897 August 29–31 – The First Zionist Congress is held in Basel, Switzerland. During it, the World Zionist Organization is founded and the Basel Declaration is approved. The latter determine that the Zionist movement's ultimate aim is to establish and secure under public law a homeland for the Jewish people. The homeland is to be located in the Biblical region dubbed variously "The Holy Land" or "Palestine" by the European Christians during the Catholic and later secular Enlightenment.
• 1898 – German Kaiser Wilhelm visits Jerusalem to dedicate the Lutheran Church of the Redeemer. He meets Theodor Herzl outside city walls.

Holy research batman! Well done with the ass beating!

 

[Defilade]

And is is that Evil Rothchild family that created Israel back in 1948.

 

[spat]

Restraint or international pressure? Im going with international pressure. If they could do it without to much issue they would . they would finish the job.

International pressure to do what ? Exercise restraint ?

It's pointless to debate how much International pressure is responsible for their restraint. But it is still restraint.

 

[spat]

16th century​

Walls of Jerusalem (photo taken in 2005)

• 1517:
  • The Ottomans conquer Palestine.[181]
  • 1517 – 1517 Hebron pogrom.
• 1538–1535 – Suleiman the Magnificent restores the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem and the Jerusalem city walls (which are the current walls of the Old City of Jerusalem).
• 1541 – Ottoman Sultan Suleiman I seals off the Golden Gate to prevent the Jewish Messiah's entrance.
• 1546 January 14 – A devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was in the Jordan River in a location between the Dead Sea and the Sea of Galilee. The cities of Jerusalem, Hebron, Nablus, Gaza, and Damascus were heavily damaged.

17th century​

• 1660 – The towns of Safed and nearby Tiberias, with substantial Jewish communities, were destroyed in the turmoil following the 1658 death of Mulhim Ma'n,[182] with only Safed being repopulated shortly after the destruction.[183][184] Some sources place the destruction of Safed in 1662.[185]
• 1604 – First Protectorate of missions under the Capitulations of the Ottoman Empire: Ahmad I agreed that the subjects of Henry IV of France were free to visit the Holy Places of Jerusalem. French missionaries begin to travel to Jerusalem and other major Ottoman cities.
• 1663–1665 – Sabbatai Zevi, founder of the Sabbateans, preaches in Jerusalem before travelling back to his native Smyrna where he proclaimed himself the Messiah.

18th century​

Battle of Nazareth (painting by Antoine-Jean Gros from 1801)

• 1700 – Judah the Pious and 1,000 followers settle in Jerusalem.
• 1742–1777 – Several Jewish Hassidic leaders (including Rabbi Abraham Gershon of Kitob and Menachem Mendel of Vitebsk) move to the Holy Land with many followers of the Baal Shem Tov. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Hassidic community in the region.
• 1759 October 30 – Another devastating earthquake shook the Jordan Rift Valley region. The epicenter of the earthquake was again in the Jordan River, in a location between the Sea of Galilee and the Hula Valley. The cities of Safed, Tiberias, Acre, and Sidon were heavily damaged.
• 1798 – Napoleon Bonaparte leads the French Campaign in Egypt and Syria.
• 1799:
  • March 3–4 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Jaffa – Napoleon captures the city of Jaffa.
  • March 20–May 21 – Napoleonic Wars: Siege of Acre – An unsuccessful attempt by Napoleon to capture the city of Acre.
  • April 8 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Nazareth.
  • April 11 – Napoleonic Wars: Battle of Cana.
  • April 16 – Napoleonic Wars: The Battle of Mount Tabor – Napoleon drives Ottoman Turks across the River Jordan near Acre.

19th century​

Galilee earthquake of 1837

• 1808–1810 – Students of Elijah ben Solomon Zalman (Gr"a), amounting to 501 families, arrive in the Holy Land. Historians mark their arrival as the beginning of the current Jewish Ashkenazi community in the region.
• 1832 May 10 – Mohammed Ali, leading Egyptian forces, and aided by local Maronites, seizes Acre from the Ottoman Empire after a 7-month siege.
• 1834 – Peasants' revolt in Palestine - revolt by Arab Palestinian peasants against Egyptian conscription and taxation policies.
• 1837 January 1 – Galilee earthquake of 1837 – A devastating earthquake shakes the Galilee region, killing thousands of people.[186]
• 1840 July 15 – The Austrian Empire, the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, the Kingdom of Prussia, and the Russian Empire sign the Convention of London with the ruler of the Ottoman Empire. The signatories offered to Muhammad Ali and his heirs permanent control over Egypt and the Acre Sanjak (roughly what is now Israel), provided that these territories remain part of the Ottoman Empire and that Ali agreed within ten days to withdraw from the rest of Syria and return to Sultan Abdülmecid I the Ottoman fleet which had defected to Alexandria. Muhammad Ali was also to immediately withdraw his forces from Arabia, the Holy Cities, Crete, the district of Adana, and all of the Ottoman Empire.
• 1860 – The first Jewish neighborhood (Mishkenot Sha'ananim) is built outside the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem.[187]
• 1874 – Jerusalem becomes a Mutesarrifiyyet gaining a special administrative status.
• 1882–1903 – The First Aliyah took place: 25,000–35,000 Jews immigrate to Ottoman Syria.
• 1887–1888 – Ottoman Syria is divided into Jerusalem Sanjak, Nablus Sanjak, and Acre Sanjak
• 1897 August 29–31 – The First Zionist Congress is held in Basel, Switzerland. During it, the World Zionist Organization is founded and the Basel Declaration is approved. The latter determine that the Zionist movement's ultimate aim is to establish and secure under public law a homeland for the Jewish people. The homeland is to be located in the Biblical region dubbed variously "The Holy Land" or "Palestine" by the European Christians during the Catholic and later secular Enlightenment.
• 1898 – German Kaiser Wilhelm visits Jerusalem to dedicate the Lutheran Church of the Redeemer. He meets Theodor Herzl outside city walls.

Who built Jerusalem ?

 

[spat]

Historical Map of Palestine under Joshua and the Judges (1250-1125 B.C.) there is no Israel
there

View attachment 255576

I notice that your map shows most of the area as "territory of the 12 tribes of Isreal".

So, who were the Palestinians back then ? The Jews ?

 

[Vapor]

How did this go from the Putin suck off fest to an argument about Palestine?

 

[GOPerfect]

How did this go from the Putin suck off fest to an argument about Palestine?

I am still very Team Putin

 

[Mosinitis]

Back to Ukraine.

Putin ruled out any agreement with Zelensky to end the war. Zelensky served out his presidential term and no longer has legitimacy to sign any agreements on behalf of Ukraine. There is also a standing Ukrainian ban on any negotiations with Russia enacted by Zelensky. Therefore any agreement signed by Zelensky is not legally binding. Especially in light of past agreements that were routinely ignored by Ukraine and NATO.
Putin agreed to negotiate an agreement with the U.S. (NATO) directly and will allow Ukrainian representatives to participate.

Freezing of the conflict is not going to happen. Russia is winning and will only end the war when Ukraine or what is left of it is no longer a hostile state. Fair position considering the price Russia paid.

 

[holdover]

I notice that your map shows most of the area as "territory of the 12 tribes of Isreal".

So, who were the Palestinians back then ? The Jews ?

Canaanites. The map also shows, the Hittites Philistines , Phoneticians Almalkites moabites , ect. . theres no conflict there, A lot of people living there

 

[holdover]

How did this go from the Putin suck off fest to an argument about Palestine?

Hey hey hey hey were the only people that read this thread

 

[GOPerfect]

Hey hey hey hey were the only people that read this thread

Yeah, I think there is only 6 of us in this one....

 

[spat]

Back to Ukraine.

Putin ruled out any agreement with Zelensky to end the war. Zelensky served out his presidential term and no longer has legitimacy to sign any agreements on behalf of Ukraine. There is also a standing Ukrainian ban on any negotiations with Russia enacted by Zelensky. Therefore any agreement signed by Zelensky is not legally binding. Especially in light of past agreements that were routinely ignored by Ukraine and NATO.
Putin agreed to negotiate an agreement with the U.S. (NATO) directly and will allow Ukrainian representatives to participate.

Freezing of the conflict is not going to happen. Russia is winning and will only end the war when Ukraine or what is left of it is no longer a hostile state. Fair position considering the price Russia paid.

Really funny to people describing the guys who got invaded as the hostile state.

Maybe NATO should just occupy Ukraine, as a buffer against Russia.

 

[Grimscale]

Hey hey hey hey were the only people that read this thread

Yeah, I think there is only 6 of us in this one....

Wasn't there another thread about the recent attack on Israel? Must be even fewer people read that one.

 

[spat]

Canaanites. The map also shows, the Hittites Philistines , Phoneticians Almalkites moabites , ect. . theres no conflict there, A lot of people living there

None of them called Palestinians though.

More recently, when the Brits owned the whole area they called it the British mandate for Palestine, but that was mostly what we call Jordan now.

The whole region has been called Palestine for a long time, but there was never a Palestinian people until the 1950s. None of the cities were built by anyone who called themselves Palestinians, or anyone the current Palestinians can trace a cultural lineage to.

The city of Gaza has been around for 4000 years, but no Palestinians lived there, or anywhere else until the second half of the 20th century.

The whole area has been inhabited by a long series of different tribes and cultural groups, but to say they're "Palestinian" would be like me claiming the Navajo are "my people" because we're both Arizonans, despite the fact that they've been here 1000 years, and I've been here 4, and there is no distinct "Arizonan" culture anyway.

 

[MothMan]

Yeah, I think there is only 6 of us in this one....

I visit this thread frequently. I also watch the Military Summary Channel nightly and what I see there is the Red side of the map getting bigger and the Yellow side getting smaller. This will continue until somebody puts a bullet in to Zelensky's head, IMO. No need for me to comment about it. Just the way it is and will continue to be.

 

[Vapor]

Canaanites. The map also shows, the Hittites Philistines , Phoneticians Almalkites moabites , ect. . theres no conflict there, A lot of people living there

Often times in the Bible it's referred to as the land of the Canan or of Moab before Moses brings the people to the promise land. Israel is then at one point broken up into Judah and Israel. I can't remember if the Bible even mentions it at Palestine ,but I don't think so. Honestly I don't have a stake in the argument, this is more of a musing.


I'll be honest though. If Hamas came to my homeland and did things like that October attack, I'd consider bringing back the old Testament ways if you know what I mean.

 

[Nevar]

If the Fucking Muslims would have not attacked Israel , burned babies alive in ovens. They would still be fucking each others goats
PS I have no love for Israel. Remember the USS Liberty

 

[holdover]

Often times in the Bible it's referred to as the land of the Canan or of Moab before Moses brings the people to the promise land. Israel is then at one point broken up into Judah and Israel. I can't remember if the Bible even mentions it at Palestine ,but I don't think so. Honestly I don't have a stake in the argument, this is more of a musing.


I'll be honest though. If Hamas came to my homeland and did things like that October attack, I'd consider bringing back the old Testament ways if you know what I mean.

They both lay claim to the same lands called by different names , and the dispute continues into eternity , chicken or the egg. The worst thing the US could have ever done is get involved in this mess.

 

[holdover]

In 1919, Palestinian Muslims and Palestinian Christians constituted 90 percent of the population of Palestine, just before the third wave of Jewish immigration and the setting up of British Mandatory Palestine after World War I.[39][40]

The Greek toponym Palaistínē (Παλαιστίνη), which is the origin of the Arabic Filasṭīn (فلسطين), first occurs in the work of the 5th century BCE Greek historian Herodotus, where it denotes generally[55] the coastal land from Phoenicia down to Egypt.[56][57] Herodotus also employs the term as an ethnonym, as when he speaks of the "Syrians of Palestine" or "Palestinian-Syrians",[58] an ethnically amorphous group he distinguishes from the Phoenicians.[59][60] Herodotus makes no distinction between the inhabitants of Palestine.[61]


During the Mandatory Palestine period, the term "Palestinian" was used to refer to all people residing there, regardless of religion or ethnicity, and those granted citizenship by the British Mandatory authorities were granted "Palestinian citizenship".[77] Other examples include the use of the term Palestine Regiment to refer to the Jewish Infantry Brigade Group of the British Army during World War II, and the term "Palestinian Talmud", which is an alternative name of the Jerusalem Talmud, used mainly in academic sources

The whole area has been inhabited by a long series of different tribes and cultural groups, but to say they're "Palestinian" would be like me claiming the Navajo are "my people" because we're both Arizonans, despite the fact that they've been here 1000 years, and I've been here 4, and there is no distinct "Arizonan" culture anyway.

problem with your theroy is that the people in the region are mostly semetic, Jews and Arabs Both peoples have been living there for miliniea The jewish people wrtie about them the Romans wrote about them The fact that the names changed around the turn of century by the British means nothing . so saying the Navajo people will now called Bostonian's doesnt change the fact

Isreal wasnt even a country till 48 , and Palestine under the ottomans encompassed all the people of the region Christians Jews and Muslims

The Palestinians and the Jews are the same race, they are the same people. they are both Semitics, they didnt just move in from Florida nor did they immigrate there from Europe like a lot of Jews did .

outside of that lets drop this on this thread get back to Ukraine

 

[spat]

They both lay claim to the same lands called by different names , and the dispute continues into eternity , chicken or the egg. The worst thing the US could have ever done is get involved in this mess.

Except the Isreali claim goes back to 3000BC and the Palestinians goes back to 1950.

And the Isreali's actually live there and can defend it.

The only reason there are Palestinians in Gaza is that Isreal gave it to them to try and buy them off so there wouldn't be more bloodshed.

Just more proof that appeasement never works.

Better to just acknowledge that bloodshed is the only solution and rip off the bandaid.

If you kill enough of them, it will stop. That is the one solution that always works.

 

[holdover]

Except the Isreali claim goes back to 3000BC and the Palestinians goes back to 1950.

How do you figure? They were written about all through the history of the region .. They are ethnicly the same people

Because the British decided to call them Palestinians? So did the Romans. You think they were the only people to live in the area? they all just moved in, in June 1950? Thats one of main problems of the area, the history goes back God knows.

 

[holdover]

They both lay claim to the same lands called by different names , and the dispute continues into eternity , chicken or the egg. The worst thing the US could have ever done is get involved in this mess.

the 2nd worse thing was to get into an internet discussion about it.

 

[holdover]

Keep your eye on the prize, Ukraine . the latest is that Russian forces have crossed the Dnipro river into Kershon

 

[spat]

How do you figure? They were written about all through the history of the region .. They are ethnicly the same people

Because the British decided to call them Palestinians? So did the Romans. You think they were the only people to live in the area? they all just moved in, in June 1950? Thats one of main problems of the area, the history goes back God knows.

I don't think the Roman's called anyone Palestinians. I think they called them Jews, and just called the region Palestine.

The fact of the matter is that the current people who call themselves Palestinians didn't have a distinct identity prior to 1950. They were Jordanians or Egyptians.

You won't find any reference to them as a distinct group until it became politically expedient to do so in the 20th century.

If you disagree, then what tribe are the Palestinians descended from ?