Things are heating up in the Donbass

[Mosinitis]

What price glory?

2,000 Daily Casualties: Russia's Military Is Paying an Awful Price in Ukraine War

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has reached its 1,000-day mark, with Moscow’s forces suffering over 700,000 casualties and significant losses in modern military equipment. While Russia has made territorial gains in places like Avdiivka and Vuhledar, these advances come at an extraordinarily high...

nationalinterest.org

Robin

Bullshit stats. NATO is losing this proxi-war. They can't hide it, so they inflate Russian loses to save face. Every time the media reports on Ukrainian retreat they tell about Russian loses, which they have no way of knowing.

 

[Defilade]

View attachment VID_20241212_170844_114.mp4

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Bullshit stats. NATO is losing this proxi-war. They can't hide it, so they inflate Russian loses to save face. Every time the media reports on Ukrainian retreat they tell about Russian loses, which they have no way of knowing.

Both sides are downplaying their own losses and inflating the losses of their enemy.

The conflict is an absolute modern hellscape and there are a shit ton of people on both sides getting killed and wounded. 1 month of this war probably has more casualties than the US in a decade of GWOT.

Entire battle groups are getting decimated and becoming combat ineffective. That hasn't happened on a scale like this in a long time.

But yes, Russia is winning (at a high cost) and Ukraine is losing (at a high cost).

 

[spat]

Both sides are downplaying their own losses and inflating the losses of their enemy.

The conflict is an absolute modern hellscape and there are a shit ton of people on both sides getting killed and wounded. 1 month of this war probably has more casualties than the US in a decade of GWOT.

Entire battle groups are getting decimated and becoming combat ineffective. That hasn't happened on a scale like this in a long time.

But yes, Russia is winning (at a high cost) and Ukraine is losing (at a high cost).

Neither side is going to win this.

Both will *claim* victory, but in reality there will be no winners.

At this point, even if Russia took Kiev it would only be a Phyrric victory.

Russia will have gained some territory, but no where near enough to justify the damage they have done to their population and economy, and they will likely end up with Ukraine in NATO.
Since preventing that was what they originally claimed was their goal, that will be a loss too.

Ukraine isn't getting all their territory back, so they aren't going to "win" either. But they will still exist, and will probably be NATO members when this is all done.

 

[Defilade]

Ukraine does not exist LEGALLY NOR HAVE OFFICIAL BORDERS...

A forbidden UN report: Ukraine had no registered borders - the state of Ukraine practically and factually does not exist on a legal basis

The UN Secretary General has said that Ukraine has not applied for border registration since 1991, so the state of Ukraine does not exist....

On 07.04.2014, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon made a frightening statement, the dissemination of which is prohibited in the Ukrainian media and on the Internet. The conflict between the two countries was raised at the meeting of the UN Security Council. The following conclusion was drawn from it:
Ukraine has not registered its borders since 25.12.1991 The registration of Ukraine's borders as a sovereign state was not carried out at the UN.

Therefore, it can be assumed that Russia does not commit any violations against Ukraine. According to the CIS treaty, the territory of Ukraine is an administrative region of the USSR. Therefore, no one can be held responsible for separatism and the forcible change of Ukrainian borders.

Source

https://expmx.com/de/2023/02/23/ein-verbotener-un-bericht-die-ukraine-hatte-keine-registrierten-grenzen-der-staat-ukraine-existiert-praktisch-nicht/

⚡️Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in World War II (1941 – 1945) - HISTORY
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Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in World War II (1941 – 1945) - HISTORY

>> Why did Ukrainians collaborate with Germany? In this video you hear about the origins of Ukrainian ultranationalism and factions as the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and its split: >

rumble.com

THE NAZI SS & UKRAINE -
A LONG RELATION ENDS WITH THE DENAZIFICATION
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THE NAZI SS & UKRAINE - A LONG RELATION ENDS WITH THE DENAZIFICATION

It's written in history. It's in their DNA. It's heritage. BUT NO NAZIS IN UKRAINE, MSM REPORT.. #DonbassDevushka "The volunteers of Ukraine" - DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17 ---

rumble.com

⚡️DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17
---->>>>

DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17

BOOM! How Articles 106 & 107 of the UNITED NATIONS CHARTER LEGALIZE Putin's EVERY ACTION in Ukraine! and BEYOND!!! - Articles 106 and 107 of the UN Charter give Russia, as the legal successor of the v

rumble.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Neither side is going to win this.

Both will *claim* victory, but in reality there will be no winners.

At this point, even if Russia took Kiev it would only be a Phyrric victory.

Russia will have gained some territory, but no where near enough to justify the damage they have done to their population and economy, and they will likely end up with Ukraine in NATO.
Since preventing that was what they originally claimed was their goal, that will be a loss too.

Ukraine isn't getting all their territory back, so they aren't going to "win" either. But they will still exist, and will probably be NATO members when this is all done.

WWII (Great Patriotic War) resulted in much bigger losses, destruction and very little territorial gains for the Soviet Union. Very few people call it a Pyrrhic victory.

 

[tirwin1]

View attachment 251871
Ukraine does not exist LEGALLY NOR HAVE OFFICIAL BORDERS...

A forbidden UN report: Ukraine had no registered borders - the state of Ukraine practically and factually does not exist on a legal basis

The UN Secretary General has said that Ukraine has not applied for border registration since 1991, so the state of Ukraine does not exist....

On 07.04.2014, the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon made a frightening statement, the dissemination of which is prohibited in the Ukrainian media and on the Internet. The conflict between the two countries was raised at the meeting of the UN Security Council. The following conclusion was drawn from it:
Ukraine has not registered its borders since 25.12.1991 The registration of Ukraine's borders as a sovereign state was not carried out at the UN.

Therefore, it can be assumed that Russia does not commit any violations against Ukraine. According to the CIS treaty, the territory of Ukraine is an administrative region of the USSR. Therefore, no one can be held responsible for separatism and the forcible change of Ukrainian borders.

Source

https://expmx.com/de/2023/02/23/ein-verbotener-un-bericht-die-ukraine-hatte-keine-registrierten-grenzen-der-staat-ukraine-existiert-praktisch-nicht/

⚡️Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in World War II (1941 – 1945) - HISTORY
---->>>>

Ukrainian Collaboration with Germany in World War II (1941 – 1945) - HISTORY

>> Why did Ukrainians collaborate with Germany? In this video you hear about the origins of Ukrainian ultranationalism and factions as the Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN) and its split: >

rumble.com

THE NAZI SS & UKRAINE -
A LONG RELATION ENDS WITH THE DENAZIFICATION
---->>>

THE NAZI SS & UKRAINE - A LONG RELATION ENDS WITH THE DENAZIFICATION

It's written in history. It's in their DNA. It's heritage. BUT NO NAZIS IN UKRAINE, MSM REPORT.. #DonbassDevushka "The volunteers of Ukraine" - DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17 ---

rumble.com

⚡️DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17
---->>>>

DENAZIFICATION - LEGAL BASIS - UN Charter Chapter-17

BOOM! How Articles 106 & 107 of the UNITED NATIONS CHARTER LEGALIZE Putin's EVERY ACTION in Ukraine! and BEYOND!!! - Articles 106 and 107 of the UN Charter give Russia, as the legal successor of the v

rumble.com

Ok but is Ukraine a registered corporation like the US?

 

[spat]

WWII (Great Patriotic War) resulted in much bigger losses, destruction and very little territorial gains for the Soviet Union. Very few people call it a Pyrrhic victory.

It was an existential threat to the soviets. They were being invaded. A loss would have meant the end of the Soviet union.

Can't have a phyrric victory when the alternative is utter destruction.

Also, Russia of 2024 is not the Soviet union of 1940. The demographics of nearly every developed country in the world are drastically different.

Population growth is leveling off, or even declining.

The Soviet union in the 1950s could easily afford to replace the men lost in the war. That's not so easy to do in 2024 when fertility rates are now below replacement levels.

In the coming decades most developed countries are going to struggle with the demographic shift. The war casualties are going to make that problem much more acute for Russia.

 

[Mosinitis]

British asshole went to fight in Ukraine and was murdered by Australian asshole. Rot in hell, you piece of shit.

 

[Robin]

Russian war crimes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Defilade]

Ok but is Ukraine a registered corporation like the US?

Yeah... Biden INC

 

[libertysnake]

Not sure in general how much of anything is real anymore on the internet, but was watching this on youtube the other day of western volunteers assaulting trenches in Ukraine. Crazy shit.

 

[holdover]

Neither side is going to win this.

Its thinking like this that will get a lot more people killed for no reason. Russia has won, It hasnt finished the job yet, but the outcome is unavoidable, just a question of time and cost. Its like Germany in 42-43,

Both will *claim* victory, but in reality there will be no winners.

There is going to be a very clear winner here. If you were following the fighting , you would know this to be true Ukraine is falling back everyday, complete units destroyed , surrendered or retreating .

At this point, even if Russia took Kiev it would only be a Phyrric victory.

Far from it , There are major strategic victories right now, Like the Crimea and its ports and the black sea fleet . Control of the gas lines to Europe which run through Ukraine, the natural resources from Ukraine including the best, most productive farm lands in Europe , The liberation of the Donbas, which was a major military victory , the denial of NATO from establishing itself in the Ukraine ,

Russia will have gained some territory, but no where near enough to justify the damage they have done to their population and economy, and they will likely end up with Ukraine in NATO.
Since preventing that was what they originally claimed was their goal, that will be a loss too.

Russia will end up with half of Ukraine if not all of it . Ukraine will never be a part of NATO period. that is an unacceptable term to the Russians , they are willing to fight ww3 to prevent it , they proved it already.

Ukraine isn't getting all their territory back, so they aren't going to "win" either. But they will still exist, and will probably be NATO members when this is all done.

They are not getting any of their territory back , None. Whats the deal going to be? Mr Putin we are prepared to offer you Half of everything you now own in exchange for a peace agreement ? LOL , and well stop the fighting allow NATO in and rearm and take back what is rightfully ours in 10-15 years? or what? what the hell can they do? They cant even stop them now.


One thing you fail to grasp, is that weapons wont win the war . People do. It takes a long time to make good soldiers, NCO's and officers , It takes a long time to make an effective combat unit, those things cant be replaced as rapidly as Train cars full of ammo.

Right now Ukraine is fighting with mostly conscripts , and they cant hold the line , Nothing is going to change that fact

Russians have entered the suburbs of Pokrovsk, This is a key strategic transportation hub controlling most rail lines and roads to the east , the fall Of Pokrovsk will make maintaining the army eastward extremely difficult and take a lot more time to go around it , the forces in the east are going to have to fall back to thier own supply lines to stay alive. Pokrovsk,Is critical to supplying the front and its going to fall in 3-4 weeks minimum.

Even if ukraine were given 250-500 tanks, they just dont have the trained men ,the officers ,and the trained maintenance to field them in combat , They dont have the ability to move the ridiculous amounts of fuel to the front on a daily basis to sustain them . And they dont have the 2 years minimum to build brigades with them . they dont

If trump thinks hes going to negotiate a peace deal, Hes wrong. Trump can end the war by shutting off all aid to Ukraine and calling it a day, Thats the best deal he can get . Trump can send all the weapons he wants , He can empty our military but it wont change the outcome .

 

[holdover]

Not sure in general how much of anything is real anymore on the internet, but was watching this on youtube the other day of western volunteers assaulting trenches in Ukraine. Crazy shit.

Thats pretty intense shit