Thinking of first AR and confused
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No, the bolt is still locked in the chamber, the round will leave the bore under full pressure then the BCG will fly out the back as normal except the buffer and recoil spring won't be there to catch it.
What's that little shiny round thing I see there in the middle of the BCG? Oh, that's right, it's the firing pin.
ManrisFrack
6.5 Creedmoor
So more importantly, what caliber is that and what's the deal with the forward scope mount? Red dot?
Are you fucking kidding me? Good luck trying to hit it hard enough or get something small enough to hit it between the BCG and when you have 2 halves of the gun so close to each other. Your theories are exactly that,,,theories that wont ever happen. Cant even believe your still trying to prove yourself right after seeing the pictures. To funny,,,I give up. Careful, dont ever build one,,,your going to kill yourself unloading.
I'm not saying the chance of firing the round this way is high, or even likely. But you are saying its impossible when it isn't and I think that is a dangerous attitude to have.
Can't ever happen, won't ever happen.
How many times have people had stupid NDs?
"I thought it wasn't loaded"
"Anyhing that can go wrong, will go wrong."
How many times have people had stupid NDs?
"I thought it wasn't loaded"
"Anyhing that can go wrong, will go wrong."
Yes I have a dangerous attitude with the barrel flipped down pointing at the ground with my fingers pulling bullets out of the mag. Your right,,,there is a good chance I could purchase a teeny tiny hammer and start using it when I'm unloading my gun.
Its a Larue mount. You can buy an extension to mount a red dot next to your scope. I did this for chuck hunting when I had a 6 x18 scope mounted on it. Used the Red Dot for fast close up shots that the scope had to much power to look through at something so close. Need to change the mount over to my 204 and reuse it. The caliber is 6.8,,,its my deer gun,,,the scope is 2x7
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Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
No it wont. It will unlock. Think charging handle....ch unlocks it.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Chicken little lives in as gun owners.
Amazing the stories they create on what COULD happen.
I COULD win the lottery too.....ha ha ha
The action doesn't unlock when you unhinge the receiver, think about it. Live round in chamber, receiver unhinged, firing pin exposed. In the unlikely event that something strikes that pin with sufficient force that round will be fired, it will go down the bore under full pressure, the bullet clears the gas port sending gas back into the BCG which then unlocks the bolt and sends the BCG flying out the back of the receiver.
And I absolutely despise the notion that
"Bad things can't happen because I don't want them to."
Stupid, improbable shit happens all the time despite that apparent improbability.
I'm not saying that this saftey risk renders a fixed mag AR to dangerous to use.
I AM saying that this possibility exists and it needs to be respected lest you be the guy we read about what sent a round through his foot while unloading his gun.
The simple awareness of risk is a mitigating factor while the denial of risk exacerbates it.
"Bad things can't happen because I don't want them to."
Stupid, improbable shit happens all the time despite that apparent improbability.
I'm not saying that this saftey risk renders a fixed mag AR to dangerous to use.
I AM saying that this possibility exists and it needs to be respected lest you be the guy we read about what sent a round through his foot while unloading his gun.
The simple awareness of risk is a mitigating factor while the denial of risk exacerbates it.
When you open the upper,,,,the only thing keeping the BCG engaged is that million dollar super strong latch on the side of your charging handle. Doubt it will hold the BCG closed if round goes off but who knows.
You would need 3 hands to hit the firing pin unloading the rifle. One is holding the gun, 2nd one is pulling bullets,,,you dont have a 3rd swinging a hammer. You could have your jackass friend swinging a teeny tiny hammer at your fingers and accidentally hit the firing pin or you could trip and fall while keeping the gun open, you hit the ground and a beetle jumps on the pin and farts which causes a catastrophic pressure episode pushing the pin into the bullet.
In all seriousness there is a chance it could happen but the chances are pretty much slim to none. If someone has another way it could possibly happen. Someone who actually has and uses such a dangerous killing machine,,,,I'm all up for hearing what could possibly happen.
You would need 3 hands to hit the firing pin unloading the rifle. One is holding the gun, 2nd one is pulling bullets,,,you dont have a 3rd swinging a hammer. You could have your jackass friend swinging a teeny tiny hammer at your fingers and accidentally hit the firing pin or you could trip and fall while keeping the gun open, you hit the ground and a beetle jumps on the pin and farts which causes a catastrophic pressure episode pushing the pin into the bullet.
In all seriousness there is a chance it could happen but the chances are pretty much slim to none. If someone has another way it could possibly happen. Someone who actually has and uses such a dangerous killing machine,,,,I'm all up for hearing what could possibly happen.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I think the spur grip(?) creates way more of a safety issue than the possibility of hitting the firing pin on a broke open AR. A control issue. Lots of issues created by the SAFE act for the honest gun owner, but none for the dirt bags. FUAC and especially all you republican assholes that caved.
Robin
Robin
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'd even say use a Magpul mag that has an easy to remove floor plate. Push the button on the floor plate, remove guts of magazine and remaining ammo, eject chambered round.
The process is basically the same as if you had a detachable mag. You'd drop the mag first, then eject the dud round.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
My first AR was a Bushmaster. Then the Unsafe Act came. At the time, there were no options for compliance except standard bullet buttons which weren't legal according to what I was reading. Then people were epoxing them where you couldn't pull out the magazine. It wasn't something I considered safe or combat ready so I got rid of it.
Then come other methods of fixing the magazine came about. The MR2 was one of them. I saw the negatives in that too. It was still just a toy and not combat ready since you cannot unload properly or perform immediate actions during malfunctions like I was trained to do, so I passed on that too.
Then came the Thordsen stock, Ed's grip, and the spur grip. They looked ugly as sin but I considered them so I bought all 3 and tried them out and a 9mm AR.
The spur was not ideal. I couldn't hold the rifle one handed. I saw this to be a problem when opening doors, picking anything up with my left hand, or reloading on the move. So I threw it in the trash.
Next was Ed's Grip. It allowed a better purchase on the weapon but it didn't allow the thumb to wrap around the grip so I scraped that idea. The same issues would result from one handed operations as the spur. I tried modifying it with some Dremel work but in the end, that too went in the trash.
The Thordsen was finally installed. It was uglier than the previous 2 but it allowed a full purchase of the weapon. The negatives I found was the long length of pull. That was a problem for me. I wasn't truly happy with it because of that. I like nose to charging handle like I was trained to do and couldn't do that with it. I also couldn't engage the safety. Taking the safety off was no problem but putting it on was so I got myself an ambidextrous safety. That solved the problem but it wasn't as sturdy as the OEM safety. When firing standard AR's in Florida without the ambidextrous safety, I found myself using muscle memory I developed with the ambidextrious safety looking for a safety on the wrong side and not finding one. I hated that.
I tried another grip that hit the market. It was a Resurgent Arms grip. That grip allowed me to put a stock of my choice on it. I got my nose to charging handle back. That was good but the negatives were the same as the Thordsen though in regards to needing an ambidextrous safety. I thought I could live with that until I read other's posts saying that it wasn't legal because the grip protruded a little. I disagreed because I wanted it to work. I asked a third party who doesn't know anything about guns to read the the law. Then I showed her the grip. She thought it wasn't legal because of the protrusion. That's all I needed to hear. A cop out on the field could make that same determination. So into the garbage that went and the Thordsen came back on.
Years went by with the Thordsen. Every time I picked it up to shoot it, it reminded me of the laws. Every time I shot it I couldn't get nose to charging handle. It urked me.
Then came the Tier 5 Bolt Interrupter. It made my AR manually operated. According to what I was reading in my opinion, the weapon was still semi auto but I wanted it to work so I installed it anyway. I would just play dumb. I got back my stock with nose to charging handle and I got back my regular safety. All I had to do was hold down the bolt release and fire like normal. All was good until my wife couldn't use it. Her fingers weren't long enough to fire holding it down. She would have to fire, let go of the handguard, hit the bolt release, hold the handguard again, and then fire. That was no good since this was a home defense gun. Then some State Police Troop in Long Island made a determination that it wasn't legal. The gun shop made all those that bought rifles like that to turn them in so that they can convert them to fixed magazines. I scraped that idea and went back to the Thordsen. Bummer.
More months go by with the Thordsen. The same long stock LOP issues were there. I took off the ambidextrous safety because it pissed me off. I figured I would just live with being able to take it off safe normally but having to break my grip to put it back on safe. That was better for me than developing bad muscle memory with the ambidextrous safety. I had to live with it. I would go to PA to convert it to normal but after shooting it, I had to begrudgingly put that Thordsen stock back on before I went home.
More months go buy and I finally had enough. I just sold the rifle and am out of the AR game. I can't honestly enjoy the rifle knowing that it's gimped. I'm better served with a standard rifle that doesn't have to be gimped.
Then come other methods of fixing the magazine came about. The MR2 was one of them. I saw the negatives in that too. It was still just a toy and not combat ready since you cannot unload properly or perform immediate actions during malfunctions like I was trained to do, so I passed on that too.
Then came the Thordsen stock, Ed's grip, and the spur grip. They looked ugly as sin but I considered them so I bought all 3 and tried them out and a 9mm AR.
The spur was not ideal. I couldn't hold the rifle one handed. I saw this to be a problem when opening doors, picking anything up with my left hand, or reloading on the move. So I threw it in the trash.
Next was Ed's Grip. It allowed a better purchase on the weapon but it didn't allow the thumb to wrap around the grip so I scraped that idea. The same issues would result from one handed operations as the spur. I tried modifying it with some Dremel work but in the end, that too went in the trash.
The Thordsen was finally installed. It was uglier than the previous 2 but it allowed a full purchase of the weapon. The negatives I found was the long length of pull. That was a problem for me. I wasn't truly happy with it because of that. I like nose to charging handle like I was trained to do and couldn't do that with it. I also couldn't engage the safety. Taking the safety off was no problem but putting it on was so I got myself an ambidextrous safety. That solved the problem but it wasn't as sturdy as the OEM safety. When firing standard AR's in Florida without the ambidextrous safety, I found myself using muscle memory I developed with the ambidextrious safety looking for a safety on the wrong side and not finding one. I hated that.
I tried another grip that hit the market. It was a Resurgent Arms grip. That grip allowed me to put a stock of my choice on it. I got my nose to charging handle back. That was good but the negatives were the same as the Thordsen though in regards to needing an ambidextrous safety. I thought I could live with that until I read other's posts saying that it wasn't legal because the grip protruded a little. I disagreed because I wanted it to work. I asked a third party who doesn't know anything about guns to read the the law. Then I showed her the grip. She thought it wasn't legal because of the protrusion. That's all I needed to hear. A cop out on the field could make that same determination. So into the garbage that went and the Thordsen came back on.
Years went by with the Thordsen. Every time I picked it up to shoot it, it reminded me of the laws. Every time I shot it I couldn't get nose to charging handle. It urked me.
Then came the Tier 5 Bolt Interrupter. It made my AR manually operated. According to what I was reading in my opinion, the weapon was still semi auto but I wanted it to work so I installed it anyway. I would just play dumb. I got back my stock with nose to charging handle and I got back my regular safety. All I had to do was hold down the bolt release and fire like normal. All was good until my wife couldn't use it. Her fingers weren't long enough to fire holding it down. She would have to fire, let go of the handguard, hit the bolt release, hold the handguard again, and then fire. That was no good since this was a home defense gun. Then some State Police Troop in Long Island made a determination that it wasn't legal. The gun shop made all those that bought rifles like that to turn them in so that they can convert them to fixed magazines. I scraped that idea and went back to the Thordsen. Bummer.
More months go by with the Thordsen. The same long stock LOP issues were there. I took off the ambidextrous safety because it pissed me off. I figured I would just live with being able to take it off safe normally but having to break my grip to put it back on safe. That was better for me than developing bad muscle memory with the ambidextrous safety. I had to live with it. I would go to PA to convert it to normal but after shooting it, I had to begrudgingly put that Thordsen stock back on before I went home.
More months go buy and I finally had enough. I just sold the rifle and am out of the AR game. I can't honestly enjoy the rifle knowing that it's gimped. I'm better served with a standard rifle that doesn't have to be gimped.
Good post! I cant get past the nonpistol grip options. I think I can live with the pined mag, but what other standard rifles are worth looking at. I like the mini 14 but seems like a gut of guys are not all that happy with them.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
What's not to like about them, other than the price? No, they aren't AR15's, people should stop trying to make them one. They are a great 100yd gun. Last hunting season I helped an old guy drag an 11 pointer out of the woods he shot with a mini 14.
SKS? Wanna buy one? I have one.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Just curious, what would you want for it?
For the price the reported accuracy is not so great. Also the scope mount options.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I did say other than the price and that they are a good 100 yrd gun.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
My dad's Mini 14 grouped justed as good as my AR when I had it shooting offhand at 100. Maybe on a bench it'll show that the groups are more open but quite honestly, that's just paper talk. You can easily hit a man sized target out with it up to 300 yards which we'll never do anyway.
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Dunno really. It's a non aresenaled Tula.
$400 maybe?
Uzi
.308 Win
You guys with the monte carlo stocks seriously are starting to praise them like they're great or something. It seems like there remains to be some pretty big confusion about covering one's ass over taking any and ALL compliant parts seriously with training with a rifle in it's compliant state. You should be prepared in better ways than taking a complaint rifle seriously.
Featureless rifles aren't great, just better than fixed mags which are too cumbersome for defensive use.You guys with the monte carlo stocks seriously are starting to praise them like they're great or something. It seems like there remains to be some pretty big confusion about covering one's ass over taking any and ALL compliant parts seriously with training with a rifle in it's compliant state. You should be prepared in better ways than taking a complaint rifle seriously.
I selected the third option myself.
The newer Minis with the new barrels are much more accurate than the pencil barrel ones. Even those can be made more accurate by adding an AccuStrut. The integrated scope mount is one of the best designs on the market for tube type scopes. Almost repeatable zero. Granted the AR may start out cheaper. Quite a following over at Perfect Union
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GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
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