If I was in free America I would have a trunk gun. Probably an AR in hard case with the mags ready to go. I'm not sure if the AR would be 5.56 or pistol carbine. It's good to dream isn't it.
Truck/Car Gun
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Cleck
.308 Win
In PA its legal, but I don't think its a super good idea. There are some young, nervous rookie cops out there, unlike the seasoned veterans we have here
Makes sense. I wouldn't want any "misunderstandings" now that I think of it.
Magnus
6.5 Creedmoor
Just make sure you put a drape over it, problem solved.
The only law I know of regarding long guns being carried in your car is part of the Environmental Conservation law. It says...
"§ 11-0931. Prohibitions on the use and possession of firearms.
2. No crossbow or firearm except a pistol or revolver shall be carried
or possessed in or on a motor vehicle unless it is uncocked, for a
crossbow or unloaded, for a firearm in both the chamber and the
magazine..."
I believe that is the law that everyone is thinking of when they say you can't carry a loaded gun in/on a vehicle. Someone could argue that this law doesn't apply if you're just driving down the road and not hunting. Personally, I think they'd have a good argument. However, I keep my guns unloaded (except for the pistol I'm carrying). It's not worth the hassle if something were to happen. I do leave ammunition in the magazines though. I'm not going to empty them all out at home and then turn around and fill them back up when I get to my range.
There may be local ordinances about carrying in specific cities or towns. The federal "safe passage" law says something about locking the guns up (I believe) when you travel through other states.
"§ 11-0931. Prohibitions on the use and possession of firearms.
2. No crossbow or firearm except a pistol or revolver shall be carried
or possessed in or on a motor vehicle unless it is uncocked, for a
crossbow or unloaded, for a firearm in both the chamber and the
magazine..."
I believe that is the law that everyone is thinking of when they say you can't carry a loaded gun in/on a vehicle. Someone could argue that this law doesn't apply if you're just driving down the road and not hunting. Personally, I think they'd have a good argument. However, I keep my guns unloaded (except for the pistol I'm carrying). It's not worth the hassle if something were to happen. I do leave ammunition in the magazines though. I'm not going to empty them all out at home and then turn around and fill them back up when I get to my range.
There may be local ordinances about carrying in specific cities or towns. The federal "safe passage" law says something about locking the guns up (I believe) when you travel through other states.
Cleck
.308 Win
Shhhhh, it's sleeping. Don't make me wake it up.
This was my understanding also. I've heard rumors of people getting harassed for loaded rifle magazines, but no charges or tickets.
Cleck
.308 Win
My magazines are always loaded, but when I'm traveling, the magazine and the rifle or pistol is never within easy reach. Usually, they're separated by the cabin/trunk, or at the very least, front seat floor and back seat. Either way, guns are always in a case when traveling, same with ammunition.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
GP, what about this. You can add your own foam.
If you took out your rear seats, check this out. Ignore that it's a four door. They make them for 2 doors as well with the rear seats removed.
If you still have your rear seats, they make a cover out of hard plastic that you cannot access the contents unless you open the tailgate.
If you took out your rear seats, check this out. Ignore that it's a four door. They make them for 2 doors as well with the rear seats removed.
If you still have your rear seats, they make a cover out of hard plastic that you cannot access the contents unless you open the tailgate.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Dicks out for Harambe!
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Cant you have rifles on a gun rack and the detach magazines for them in the glove box? Honestly though, a pistol on your person and a pistol in the center console should be enough to save your ass 99.9999% of the time. Been driving that way for close to 40 years and never had to use deadly force even once. Stay out of inner city ghettos and the odds are nothing weird will ever happen on your watch (unless a mudslime goes to the same mall you do - which is why I use amazon.com instead).
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I run with a 1911 and a dozen magazines. If I cannot deal with an issue with 100 rounds of 45 ACP, I should probably drive home and get my Galil.
It would still be nice to have a rifle just in case. I'm not saying your wrong with the 1911. I just like the idea of having a little more range if necessary. But alas we live in this shit hole of a state so it's just dreaming.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I hear ya, but here was my thinking on that - I am never really away from my farm. I go to Price Chopper, CVS, and the local fishing hole. That's kind of it. So in SHTF, I just need to get my old smelly ass back to the farm. I'm thinking my sidearm is more for a muzzie with TNT strapped to his vest or some scumbag white trash beating his pregnant wife (black on black crime I couldn't care less and support them shooting each other in da' hood). So pop the mudslime in the cranium and then get to a safe distance, ghost the wife beater, or just get back in the truck and go home. What do I need a 600 yard kill shot for at Price Chopper. The whole parking lot us under 100 yards. Now once I get home, I have a Ronnie Barrett M99A1 that says nobody is getting within 1,000 yards of my place and if I make it to my tree line I can protect my entire farm with either of my Remington 700 Police rifles. For door kickers, I have Galil, AK, AR, MAC, Uzi, some shotguns and lever actions, etc. that are perfectly great at CQB.
Granted we all complain about NY at times; but here is my thinking. I have 75 to 100 firearms at any given moment, maybe 100K rounds of ammo, own pretty much anything I ever wanted to but keep my Class III at my mom's or my son's house out of state, and here in Central NY I got a 5 BR farm with a few hundred acres and perfect hunting for $250K cash and my property tax is $1K a year. I was paying $1K a month in property taxes on my farm in GA, and the house cost 3x what this one did. So NY rocks for me. I can see my friends and my mom in CT, my dad in NYC, my brother and sister in NJ, and never be more than 5 hours from NYC, Boston, or 6 hours to DC. I can get to 2 great lakes in under 2 hours, and there is more hunting and fishing here than you could ever possibly want to do.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Everybody has their own reasons on why they think they might need a rifle in the car at all times but if it's for self defense on the road, I will say this.
If you need to get to your rifle, you aren't in a position you need to be in and should be looking for escape routes. If you have time to get to your rifle in the trunk and load it, you have time to flee. Besides a few here, we aren't cops.
The number one mission you should have if a situation arises is to get home to your family. A hero is nothing but a sandwich and a family with no sandwich goes hungry.
If you need to get to your rifle, you aren't in a position you need to be in and should be looking for escape routes. If you have time to get to your rifle in the trunk and load it, you have time to flee. Besides a few here, we aren't cops.
The number one mission you should have if a situation arises is to get home to your family. A hero is nothing but a sandwich and a family with no sandwich goes hungry.
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I have to drive in to Utica everyday for work. There are many ways to get out of this city, but still if stuff goes down I would feel better about having a rifle with me. Do I see myself realistically every needing it? Nope, but doesn't mean I shouldn't have / travel with one. All it take is one time of needing/ using it where you go from crazy paranoid to prepared citizen.
As far as living in this shit hole. I'm glad you like it here and your taxes are low. I have a 120K house on 2 acres and pay around 5k so I don't know how you got the golden ticket, but good for you! Mind you this is my starter home I know own 5 acres in the countryside surround by 100 acres of family owned land. I hope to build here in the near future. So I'm vested in staying here even though I hate the BS that comes with it.
As far as living in this shit hole. I'm glad you like it here and your taxes are low. I have a 120K house on 2 acres and pay around 5k so I don't know how you got the golden ticket, but good for you! Mind you this is my starter home I know own 5 acres in the countryside surround by 100 acres of family owned land. I hope to build here in the near future. So I'm vested in staying here even though I hate the BS that comes with it.
I have an 8.5" ar in 300 blackout. I'm hesitant about keeping it in the car though. Don't want it getting stolen, and I'm pretty sure not all law enforcement would be happy about having it loaded in car- even though it's legal and on my permit.
Oh like when I was in the industrial part of Nashville this morning? If anyone needs a long gun in the vehicle it's a trucker. I'd keep an AR in a mount behind my seat, a shotgun in a mount behind the passenger seat, a full size handgun in a dash holster and something in either a cross draw holster on the hip or shoulder if I could. And I'd tattoo "Go ahead, make my day!" on my forehead.
Depick
.308 Win
You could probably run a setup like this in your center console if it is big enough. That's how I would want a truck gun.
Glenn B
.308 Win
It's not penal law and while you may lose a hunting license, or be fined for a violation, if you carry a loaded rifle in a vehicle in NY State (not talking about NYC because they are special) I doubt the NY Environmental Law has the weight or any potential for you to be found guilty of even a misdemeanor. That is my somewhat slightly educated guess on the subject.
Note that the EC Law, the very same one quoted, also says:
So, if you drive into a sporting good store and buy some slugs, then get out of your vehicle and go fishing at a pond on your way home, during deer season, you are in violation of said law even if you do not have a shotgun with you, that is unless you have a hunting license to take deer or bear. Go figure, NY law is Fugazy
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Different Drummer
.44 mag
Just some things to ponder:
If someone does not have a handgun Lic. are they not just as entitled to a means of personal defense as someone who has a Lic. and carries a handgun?
If you carry a shotgun locked in your trunk for personal defense is the shotgun going to do you any good when you need it? People who carry a handgun for PD don't lock their handguns in the trunk.
If the shotgun in the trunk is not loaded and the ammo is locked up somewhere separate from the shotgun does that not just complicate things even more in regards to the personal defense use of the shotgun?
Is there any law that says a shotgun cannot be carried in the passenger area of a vehicle uncased?
If an individual does not hunt and they do not have a hunting Lic. Is it illegal for them to carry the shotgun in their vehicle for self defense? Is it illegal for them to carry it loaded in their vehicle? They are not hunting. People who carry handguns for PD don't carry them unloaded.
No one would leave a handgun sitting on their vehicle seat in plain view when leaving their vehicle. ( OK some people might ). So what is wrong with someone carrying a shotgun in the passenger area for self defense and then lock it in the trunk unloaded or put it in a locked case unloaded when they leave their vehicle?
I really do not know all the answers and I am not presenting an argument. Just some things to think about.
If someone does not have a handgun Lic. are they not just as entitled to a means of personal defense as someone who has a Lic. and carries a handgun?
If you carry a shotgun locked in your trunk for personal defense is the shotgun going to do you any good when you need it? People who carry a handgun for PD don't lock their handguns in the trunk.
If the shotgun in the trunk is not loaded and the ammo is locked up somewhere separate from the shotgun does that not just complicate things even more in regards to the personal defense use of the shotgun?
Is there any law that says a shotgun cannot be carried in the passenger area of a vehicle uncased?
If an individual does not hunt and they do not have a hunting Lic. Is it illegal for them to carry the shotgun in their vehicle for self defense? Is it illegal for them to carry it loaded in their vehicle? They are not hunting. People who carry handguns for PD don't carry them unloaded.
No one would leave a handgun sitting on their vehicle seat in plain view when leaving their vehicle. ( OK some people might ). So what is wrong with someone carrying a shotgun in the passenger area for self defense and then lock it in the trunk unloaded or put it in a locked case unloaded when they leave their vehicle?
I really do not know all the answers and I am not presenting an argument. Just some things to think about.