Trump derelict for not calling off Jan 6th mob

[holdover]

By the way I find it humorous that people who don't like my posts don't just ignore me. I'm not going to be intimidated/bullied into leaving the forum, sorry.

Oh you wont. Your going to do it yourself.

 

[spat]

It's true, Trump committed to a full withdrawal by May, but Biden extended it to August.

There is no evidence that Trump's withdrawal schedule was based on milestones that had to be met in order to justify further withdrawal.

So, that kind of contradicts what you said earlier about Biden following the Trump timetable doesn't it.

Also:

Opinion | No, Trump Didn’t Force Biden’s Withdrawal

The Taliban violated the Doha agreement, so the U.S. could have stayed.

www.wsj.com

 

[ronstar]

So, that kind of contradicts what you said earlier about Biden following the Trump timetable doesn't it.

Also:

Opinion | No, Trump Didn’t Force Biden’s Withdrawal

The Taliban violated the Doha agreement, so the U.S. could have stayed.

www.wsj.com

Were you willing to join the army and defend Afghanistan? No? Didn't think so.

20 fucking years was enough. It's not our job to defend a nation that refuses to defend itself.

 

[spat]

Were you willing to join the army and defend Afghanistan? No? Didn't think so.

20 fucking years was enough. It's not our job to defend a nation that refuses to defend itself.

Oh, I wholeheartedly agree with the plan to get out.

It's Biden's execution of the plan that was a disaster.

I think Trump would have had us, and all our allies and partners out by the May deadline, and without all the drama.

 

[holdover]

It's not our job to defend a nation that refuses to defend itself.

You see the world through US eyes. I see it as a nation defending itself and overthrowing a puppet regime installed by a foreign power. Ie; They WERE defending themselves. and thier goat/boy fucking way of life. Might be a shithole, But Its their shithole .

In 2001, George Bush demanded that the Taliban (not Al quedia) turn over Osamma Bin Laden. The Taliban said they would if they are shown the evidence of a crime. Under thier law they cannot just turn someone over to a forgien power because somebody said so . they needed to establish legal reasons for his arrest. The US refused to turn over any evidence. The Taliban begged for the evidence. Bush told them to go fuck themselves. They had 48 hours to turn him over before the bombs dropped . The Taliban (who didnt bomb the towers) were attacked by US forces .

As a footnote, 14 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, exactly zero were Taliban.

One might imagine that turning over evidence of crime to avoid a war was a reasonable request.

 

[lrick]

those cops should be indicted for aiding & abetting a riot. Definitely should be fired.

This actually is a valid statement. You don't deny the cops opened doors and invited protesters in and therefore you reason they should be indicted or fired for aiding and abetting. Fine, I won't argue that.

Are you even remotely interested in asking yourself why they haven't been indicted or fired? I mean, after all, they aided in disrupting a critical sanctified official endeavor. No arrests or firings is hard to believe. What if these cops were sympathizers or perhaps even closet Oathkeepers? I would think they would want to root that out. It really is a non-sequitur.

Since nothing happened, is it such a stretch to consider the potential that their actions were condoned (if not outright sanctioned) because it provided a desired optic? Only an avowed boot-licker would deny the potential, which is about where I expect you'll be. But if you can take that leap, then Pelosi (through Paul Irving) turning down the request for National Guardsmen at the Capitol also becomes suspect. Was it to help set the stage? The optic we got was best served by having weak security - can you deny that? Not that this thing needed to be planned to a granular degree, it just needed to be massaged enough to achieve options for a preferred narrative. Mob mentality would take over. After all, isn't that just how politicians think? I can't imagine being that trusting of pols to not consider the evil side of human nature. I'll freely agree that GW Bush was a POS, and that's been long before Trump.

I doubt you'll respond in any meaningful way because you're not here for that. I think you are either doing a job or just another cowardly liberal parrot.

 

[ronstar]

You see the world through US eyes. I see it as a nation defending itself and overthrowing a puppet regime installed by a foreign power. Ie; They WERE defending themselves. and thier goat/boy fucking way of life. Might be a shithole, But Its their shithole .

In 2001, George Bush demanded that the Taliban (not Al quedia) turn over Osamma Bin Laden. The Taliban said they would if they are shown the evidence of a crime. Under thier law they cannot just turn someone over to a forgien power because somebody said so . they needed to establish legal reasons for his arrest. The US refused to turn over any evidence. The Taliban begged for the evidence. Bush told them to go fuck themselves. They had 48 hours to turn him over before the bombs dropped . The Taliban (who didnt bomb the towers) were attacked by US forces .

As a footnote, 14 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, exactly zero were Taliban.

One might imagine that turning over evidence of crime to avoid a war was a reasonable request.

Taliban would deny ANY and all EVIDENCE of Al Qaeda's involvement in 9-11, the bombing of the embassy in Kenya, the bombing of the Khobar towers, and the 9-11 Attacks. Bush was right to invade Afghanistan and rid them of the 6th century Taliban.

 

[holdover]

Taliban would deny ANY and all EVIDENCE of Al Qaeda's involvement in 9-11, the bombing of the embassy in Kenya, the bombing of the Khobar towers, and the 9-11 Attacks. Bush was right to invade Afghanistan and rid them of the 6th century Taliban.

They had every right to see it . And who are you to judge thier culture? They live as they had been for century's. They didn't want McDonald and star bucks .

 

[Saltwater60]

Which innocents did Biden "kill"?

In Afghanistan. I’m not going to detail it out for you because you won’t agree. Also many people died of drug overdoses and suicide because of how the pandemic was handled. It’s safe to say the democrats are at fault for that.

 

[spat]

You see the world through US eyes. I see it as a nation defending itself and overthrowing a puppet regime installed by a foreign power. Ie; They WERE defending themselves. and thier goat/boy fucking way of life. Might be a shithole, But Its their shithole .

In 2001, George Bush demanded that the Taliban (not Al quedia) turn over Osamma Bin Laden. The Taliban said they would if they are shown the evidence of a crime. Under thier law they cannot just turn someone over to a forgien power because somebody said so . they needed to establish legal reasons for his arrest. The US refused to turn over any evidence. The Taliban begged for the evidence. Bush told them to go fuck themselves. They had 48 hours to turn him over before the bombs dropped . The Taliban (who didnt bomb the towers) were attacked by US forces .

As a footnote, 14 of the 19 alleged hijackers were Saudi nationals, exactly zero were Taliban.

One might imagine that turning over evidence of crime to avoid a war was a reasonable request.

It was a reasonable request.

At the same time, we were not going to compromise our intelligence assets by doing so.

Imagine the cartel saying "sure, we'll turn over Pablo Escobar as soon as you show us the proof he was dealing drugs". I'm sure we'd had over all our confidential informers to prove it to them.

There is nothing fair or just about international relations.

As the rulers of a sovereign nation they absolutely had the right to refuse to hand him over.

But sovereignty is only as good as the people who recognize it. So, we made them no longer the rulers of a sovereign nation.

There is no such thing as rights of nations. There is just power. We had it, they didn't.

 

[FP1201]

Were you willing to join the army and defend Afghanistan? No? Didn't think so.

20 fucking years was enough. It's not our job to defend a nation that refuses to defend itself.

With this I will agree; Our Founding Fathers warned us to avoid foreign entanglements, but there's treasure in the Afghani ground and the New World Order wants it... The Brits failed, the Russians failed, we failed, hell even multiple iterations of their own Government have failed.
"Some people and places just shouldn't be fucked with." Afghanistan is at the top of that list.

 

[holdover]

They said they would turn him over if they were presented with evidence . Bush said "" they arnt getting any evidence they have 48 hours to turn him over"" Im para phasing but its close.

Thats gun boat diplomacy at its best. In order to avoid a war its more reasonable to exhaust every measure to avoid it . The US demanded he be turned over, the Taliban said not with out evidence. How much more reasonable can you be?

The US wanted that war in Afghanistan because the Taliban refused the pipelines from going though. Shit, they ""knew"" Osamma did it before the first tower even fell! took 4 years to investigate Trump.

 

[holdover]

With this I will agree; Our Founding Fathers warned us to avoid foreign entanglements, but there's treasure in the Afghani ground and the New World Order wants it... The Brits failed, the Russians failed, we failed, hell even multiple iterations of their own Government have failed.
"Some people and places just shouldn't be fucked with." Afghanistan is at the top of that list.

The terrain there is an absolute fortress too.

 

[ronstar]

They said they would turn him over if they were presented with evidence . Bush said "" they arnt getting any evidence they have 48 hours to turn him over"" Im para phasing but its close.

Thats gun boat diplomacy at its best. In order to avoid a war its more reasonable to exhaust every measure to avoid it . The US demanded he be turned over, the Taliban said not with out evidence. How much more reasonable can you be?

The US wanted that war in Afghanistan because the Taliban refused the pipelines from going though. Shit, they ""knew"" Osamma did it before the first tower even fell! took 4 years to investigate Trump.

The pipeline was NEVER built. Al Qaeda did in fact attack us on 9-11, there is no reasonable doubt about it. Its basically unPatriotic trolling to question this after all the evidence has been presented again and again and again.

I am DONE with this derail.

 

[holdover]

Of course it wasnt built . There was a war going on. It didnt work out like they thought .

Thats right, it wasnt the fucking Taliban. The Taliban didnt attack us on 911. and no, they are not the same thing.

Still looking for that evidence that Bin Laden attacked us.

 

[lrick]

The pipeline was NEVER built. Al Qaeda did in fact attack us on 9-11, there is no reasonable doubt about it. Its basically unPatriotic trolling to question this after all the evidence has been presented again and again and again.

I am DONE with this derailing this thread.

FIFY

 

[ronstar]

Of course it wasnt built . There was a war going on. It didnt work out like they thought .

Thats right, it wasnt the fucking Taliban. The Taliban didnt attack us on 911. and no, they are not the same thing.

Still looking for that evidence that Bin Laden attacked us.

LOL!!!!!! Maybe the Tooth Fairy did 9-11. Or Santa Claus!!

 

[lrick]

Trolls have no problem with derailed threads until they start losing, then they whine about it. lol So obvious.

If you want to get back on track you can always respond to my post above. Hell, I even agreed with your statement.

those cops should be indicted for aiding & abetting a riot. Definitely should be fired.

I'm just interested in what logical conclusion you can draw from your own statement. I've stated mine.

This actually is a valid statement. You don't deny the cops opened doors and invited protesters in and therefore you reason they should be indicted or fired for aiding and abetting. Fine, I won't argue that.

Are you even remotely interested in asking yourself why they haven't been indicted or fired? I mean, after all, they aided in disrupting a critical sanctified official endeavor. No arrests or firings is hard to believe. What if these cops were sympathizers or perhaps even closet Oathkeepers? I would think they would want to root that out. It really is a non-sequitur.

Since nothing happened, is it such a stretch to consider the potential that their actions were condoned (if not outright sanctioned) because it provided a desired optic? Only an avowed boot-licker would deny the potential, which is about where I expect you'll be. But if you can take that leap, then Pelosi (through Paul Irving) turning down the request for National Guardsmen at the Capitol also becomes suspect. Was it to help set the stage? The optic we got was best served by having weak security - can you deny that? Not that this thing needed to be planned to a granular degree, it just needed to be massaged enough to achieve options for a preferred narrative. Mob mentality would take over. After all, isn't that just how politicians think? I can't imagine being that trusting of pols to not consider the evil side of human nature. I'll freely agree that GW Bush was a POS, and that's been long before Trump.

I doubt you'll respond in any meaningful way because you're not here for that. I think you are either doing a job or just another cowardly liberal parrot.

 

[lrick]

LOL!!!!!! Maybe the Tooth Fairy did 9-11. Or Santa Claus!!

Thought you were DONE? Typical lib troll tactics, just start spewing absurdities when you can't counter intelligently.

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

Thought you were DONE? Typical lib troll tactics, just start spewing absurdities when you can't counter intelligently.

yup, thats what they do when they lose .. quit or change the rules

 

[ronstar]

Thought you were DONE? Typical lib troll tactics, just start spewing absurdities when you can't counter intelligently.

How does one counter intelligently to nonsense loony 9-11 Truther stuff?

 

[4WHLDRFTN]

and just think the level you're dealing with. They can actually watch bidone for more than 30secs and still say “ yup, thats my guy”

 

[ronstar]

Trolls have no problem with derailed threads until they start losing, then they whine about it. lol So obvious.

If you want to get back on track you can always respond to my post above. Hell, I even agreed with your statement.



I'm just interested in what logical conclusion you can draw from your own statement. I've stated mine.

So you believe there was a pre-planned conspiracy to allow a violent mob into the Capital building, due to the obvious optics it would create. Got any evidence or communications proving this?

What about the protestors breaking windows and doors so as to get into the building? What about the video of police doing their very best to physically prevent the mob from getting into an entry way?

 

[holdover]

LOL!!!!!! Maybe the Tooth Fairy did 9-11. Or Santa Claus!!

Thats not the issue. The issue is no evidence was presented when asked. Any judge would throw it out of court for lack of evidence and they started a war over it. Not that it was the first time. McNamera admited on video that the Gulf of Tonkin was Hoax. Roosevelt claimed the attack on Pearl Harbor was unwarranted and unprovoked . when it was very much provoked and expected by the US. Claiming Saddam Huessien was aiding Al quedia and could give them WMDS was also false . The Anthrax that General Powel showed the UN security council was also false.

So when they say Osamma did it, but Im not turning over evidence , Well trusting people that took us to war several times by lieing costs millions of American lives . Yes I have to question it. The fact they supposedly did have over whelming evidence and withheld it from the world , causeing a war that lasted 20 years would be criminal inself.

What evidence did the US give to the public that proved Osamma did 911? Theres so much of It ,but I somehow missed it all.

 

[holdover]

How does one counter intelligently to nonsense loony 9-11 Truther stuff?

All you have to do is answer the question. Simple .

 

[ronstar]

Thats not the issue. The issue is no evidence was presented when asked. Any judge would throw it out of court for lack of evidence and they started a war over it. Not that it was the first time. McNamera admited on video that the Gulf of Tonkin was Hoax. Roosevelt claimed the attack on Pearl Harbor was unwarranted and unprovoked . when it was very much provoked and expected by the US. Claiming Saddam Huessien was aiding Al quedia and could give them WMDS was also false . The Anthrax that General Powel showed the UN security council was also false.

So when they say Osamma did it, but Im not turning over evidence , Well trusting people that took us to war several times by lieing costs millions of American lives . Yes I have to question it. The fact they supposedly did have over whelming evidence and withheld it from the world , causeing a war that lasted 20 years would be criminal inself.

What evidence did the US give to the public that proved Osamma did 911? Theres so much of It ,but I somehow missed it all.

9-11 happened. I did work at Ground Zero and really don't appreciate your line of thought. Its slanderous & unpatriotic to accuse our own govt, our own citizens, NY politicians of doing this. Please stop.

 

[ronstar]

All you have to do is answer the question. Simple .

This thread is not about whether or not 9-11 really happened. And I don't debate with Truthers or Holocaust Deniers. Same scum, in my book.

 

[holdover]

So you believe there was a pre-planned conspiracy to allow a violent mob into the Capital building, due to the obvious optics it would create. Got any evidence or communications proving this?

What about the protestors breaking windows and doors so as to get into the building? What about the video of police doing their very best to physically prevent the mob from getting into an entry way?

9-11 happened. I did work at Ground Zero and really don't appreciate your line of thought. Its slanderous & unpatriotic to accuse our own govt, our own citizens, NY politicians of doing this. Please stop.

LOL? Tell me your joking?

 

[ronstar]

LOL? Tell me your joking?

Ok, you're now on Ignore. Bye.

 

[holdover]

This thread is not about whether or not 9-11 really happened. And I don't debate with Truthers or Holocaust Deniers. Same scum, in my book.

You throw a lot of names around man.