spat
.700 Nitro Express
You can thank Ross Perot for the Clinton administration too.....
Trump issues memo to ban bump stocks
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I wasn’t old enough to vote in that one... Last i checked it’s MY vote and not anybody else’s. I get to determine who I want to give my vote to.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I hope that I am misunderstanding what the memo is about.
Reading some of these posts I may be doing just that IDK.
But then again on the Laura Ingram show tonight it sure did sound like it's a bumpstock issue
or anything else that increases the rate of fire on a semi auto. I know that I am referencing a news program
but Laura Ingram is not a liberal so there's that.
I guess I'm just going to have to calm down and give it some time and see how this plays out.
Before I make a decision on whether or not Trump has bent to the pressure from the gun grabbers.
Maybe Trump is just playing the liberals... It wouldn't be the first time.
I'm all over the place on this one... I'm not sure what to think about it at this point.
Reading some of these posts I may be doing just that IDK.
But then again on the Laura Ingram show tonight it sure did sound like it's a bumpstock issue
or anything else that increases the rate of fire on a semi auto. I know that I am referencing a news program
but Laura Ingram is not a liberal so there's that.
I guess I'm just going to have to calm down and give it some time and see how this plays out.
Before I make a decision on whether or not Trump has bent to the pressure from the gun grabbers.
Maybe Trump is just playing the liberals... It wouldn't be the first time.
I'm all over the place on this one... I'm not sure what to think about it at this point.
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You aren' misunderstanding at all, Trump doesn' give a fuck about the 2A, only acted like he did just before running some people would vote for him..
Thank God he stuck with his biggest campaign promise, Mexico pays for a wa......... ohhh that's right
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
I’m not sure what’s going on...
However it would be nice to know what exactly Trump has up his sleeve.
However it would be nice to know what exactly Trump has up his sleeve.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Neither was I, but I was old enough to remember it.
You certainly have the right to vote for whomever you want, but you can rest assured that a vote for anyone other than Trump in the next election is tantamount to a vote for whatever Hillary lookalike the dems decide to run.
Of course, we live in N.Y., so our votes don't count anyway, so vote however you want. But if you do happen to move to a state where it matters, please consider the full ramifications of what you do.
There is nothing up his sleeve, he's already been pro AW ban
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
Trump's position regarding the 2A
1.) Shall not be infringed upon. period... Is he breaking his word? ... Is this Trumps "read my lips" moment?
1.) Shall not be infringed upon. period... Is he breaking his word? ... Is this Trumps "read my lips" moment?
Didn't realize an AW ban and longer waiting periods fell under all that
This ban is going to hinder his reelection run.
Just saw this on FB.
I'm just gonna leave this here while a whole bunch of gun owners think all the money the NRA spent directly and indirectly to make you think Donald Trump was going to be a good steward of our Second Amendment Rights... and how much time they spent deluding themselves about the likelihood of a man who lived his entire life in the most restrictive city in the US when it comes to Gun Ownership without ever fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms suddenly becoming interested beyond a few hundred thousand votes.
I said back in October that I feared the NRA's odd expressed position on the Bump Stock issue was possibly initiated by signaling from the White House. Rather than have to come out against President Trump and admit their mistake, they started angling in a way that would align them with him... and against many of us.
I'm sure that there is going to be all kinds of rationalization offered, hand wringing going on and "explanations" about how this is just a sophisticated maneuver that was necessary in the face of some other imagined end of the world scenario... it will all be ridiculous.
The one appropriate response from the NRA - National Rifle Association of America? "We're sorry. We're going to try to do better. We're starting with new leadership at Headquarters." #changethenra
Trump moves to ban 'bump stocks' - CNNPolitics
You don't know the have of it Rob.
I'm just gonna leave this here while a whole bunch of gun owners think all the money the NRA spent directly and indirectly to make you think Donald Trump was going to be a good steward of our Second Amendment Rights... and how much time they spent deluding themselves about the likelihood of a man who lived his entire life in the most restrictive city in the US when it comes to Gun Ownership without ever fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms suddenly becoming interested beyond a few hundred thousand votes.
I said back in October that I feared the NRA's odd expressed position on the Bump Stock issue was possibly initiated by signaling from the White House. Rather than have to come out against President Trump and admit their mistake, they started angling in a way that would align them with him... and against many of us.
I'm sure that there is going to be all kinds of rationalization offered, hand wringing going on and "explanations" about how this is just a sophisticated maneuver that was necessary in the face of some other imagined end of the world scenario... it will all be ridiculous.
The one appropriate response from the NRA - National Rifle Association of America? "We're sorry. We're going to try to do better. We're starting with new leadership at Headquarters." #changethenra
Trump moves to ban 'bump stocks' - CNNPolitics
You don't know the have of it Rob.
Just saw this on FB.
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I'm just gonna leave this here while a whole bunch of gun owners think all the money the NRA spent directly and indirectly to make you think Donald Trump was going to be a good steward of our Second Amendment Rights... and how much time they spent deluding themselves about the likelihood of a man who lived his entire life in the most restrictive city in the US when it comes to Gun Ownership without ever fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms suddenly becoming interested beyond a few hundred thousand votes.
I said back in October that I feared the NRA's odd expressed position on the Bump Stock issue was possibly initiated by signaling from the White House. Rather than have to come out against President Trump and admit their mistake, they started angling in a way that would align them with him... and against many of us.
I'm sure that there is going to be all kinds of rationalization offered, hand wringing going on and "explanations" about how this is just a sophisticated maneuver that was necessary in the face of some other imagined end of the world scenario... it will all be ridiculous.
The one appropriate response from the NRA - National Rifle Association of America? "We're sorry. We're going to try to do better. We're starting with new leadership at Headquarters." #changethenra
Trump moves to ban 'bump stocks' - CNNPolitics
You don't know the have of it Rob.
View attachment 25058
I'm just gonna leave this here while a whole bunch of gun owners think all the money the NRA spent directly and indirectly to make you think Donald Trump was going to be a good steward of our Second Amendment Rights... and how much time they spent deluding themselves about the likelihood of a man who lived his entire life in the most restrictive city in the US when it comes to Gun Ownership without ever fighting for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms suddenly becoming interested beyond a few hundred thousand votes.
I said back in October that I feared the NRA's odd expressed position on the Bump Stock issue was possibly initiated by signaling from the White House. Rather than have to come out against President Trump and admit their mistake, they started angling in a way that would align them with him... and against many of us.
I'm sure that there is going to be all kinds of rationalization offered, hand wringing going on and "explanations" about how this is just a sophisticated maneuver that was necessary in the face of some other imagined end of the world scenario... it will all be ridiculous.
The one appropriate response from the NRA - National Rifle Association of America? "We're sorry. We're going to try to do better. We're starting with new leadership at Headquarters." #changethenra
Trump moves to ban 'bump stocks' - CNNPolitics
You don't know the have of it Rob.
Maybe the issues isn't guns. Maybe it's the CIA FBI and NSA. Maybe we need to rid ourselves of these useless agencies. Because if they can't protect us from a 19 yo kid, how the fuck are they going to stop terrorists??
Modean
.223 Rem
Keep in mind that there are also Democrats who stray off the reservation to vote for third party. Trumps margin of victory in one or two states was less than the number of votes cast in that state for third parties. That said, I learned my lesson back in the day with Ross Perot.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
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After the Las Vegas shooting in October, where Stephen Paddock killed over 50 people, she introduced the “Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act.” This act would have banned bump stocks. It never made it out of committee.
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After the Las Vegas shooting in October, where Stephen Paddock killed over 50 people, she introduced the “Automatic Gunfire Prevention Act.” This act would have banned bump stocks. It never made it out of committee.
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Schumer warns Trump: Intel officials 'have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you'
Collusion by negligence? Incompetence or intentional?
GuyMontag
.44 mag
It is your vote, nobody's arguing that.
The difference between having the vote, and WASTING it, has somehow escaped you.
I suggest educating yourself to the realities of a 2 party system, you've got a lot of growing up to do.
Celt
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Here is a lesson in reality guys. We had two choices, either Trump or Clinton. The lesser of two evils when it comes to the Second Amendment surely is Trump. It is for that reason and that reason alone that countless gun owners voted for him over Hillary. If Hillary were in the White House we wouldn't be talking about assault weapons bans right now we would be talking about an upcoming Revolution because all semi-automatic guns had been deemed illegal. Make no mistakes Trump is certainly better than Hillary even if he is not ideally what we need.
And while the bump stock may seem like a sacrificial lamb and is somewhat unimportant in the grand scheme of things it shows the left that their pressure will work( even when they control nothing) and the time for compromise is over. We should not be giving them one single inch.
Unfortunately, even if we desire to give them nothing that doesn't mean that they are going to listen, and it may be inevitable that something is going to give. And if something is going to give we need to be getting something in return and that should be National reciprocity.
We need to hold Trump to his word and the promises he made when he was running.
And while the bump stock may seem like a sacrificial lamb and is somewhat unimportant in the grand scheme of things it shows the left that their pressure will work( even when they control nothing) and the time for compromise is over. We should not be giving them one single inch.
Unfortunately, even if we desire to give them nothing that doesn't mean that they are going to listen, and it may be inevitable that something is going to give. And if something is going to give we need to be getting something in return and that should be National reciprocity.
We need to hold Trump to his word and the promises he made when he was running.
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Shoestring Machine Gun
Not sure how they can say this is a machine gun under their definition. The trigger still has to reset for the next round to get fired.
And yes I know it's from 2004.
Also didn't read the entire article, apparently they reversed that ruling. Good to go boys.
Not sure how they can say this is a machine gun under their definition. The trigger still has to reset for the next round to get fired.
And yes I know it's from 2004.
Also didn't read the entire article, apparently they reversed that ruling. Good to go boys.
Growing up to do huh? Because I have the capability to think outside of the 2 party system? Not to mention multiple deployments to the Middle East? Sure I have some growing up to do. This forum is comical...
Dinkus the Stinkus
.44 mag
Forget the two party system and forget about our government. They are not doing what we the people elected them to do. We need to tear it all down and start again.
Sneezy
6.5 Creedmoor
It's him or Cuomo if the dickhead runs.
Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
@PinkPanther, don't take it personal man. I think all guy is trying to say is that the Deep state is so powerful that the only thing a third-party has ever done has been a spoiler for the conservative party. You see, the Democrats are quite tactical in their politics and they know that if they decide to split up into two separate factions that they will surely lose.
Conservatives typically have no problem splitting off from the main Republican Party to stick to their guns, pun intended,. But the reality is, at least for now, that it's a two-party dominant system and a vote for a third party is all but sure to guarantee a Democrat victory.
Some will argue that by continuing to hold your nose and vote that we will never get a strong enough third party and that the way to encourage better Republican candidates is to continually vote for the third party even if it costs us several losses in a row. Me personally, I can't see doing that because the potential losses right now could be far too great given the state of politics we are currently in. If we lived in different times where the Democrats were not so far to the left I would be willing to do that, but right now they are so far left at any loss will be catastrophic.
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GuyMontag
.44 mag
While I appreciate your service, it has NOTHING to do with your ignorance of the realities of electoral politics.
Thinking "outside the 2 party system" is an academic exercise in futility.
Anyone with a stitch of experience or knowledge will tell you that voting 3rd party is the SUREST way to disaster.
Just ask those who were foolish enough to vote for Perot, and now understand how disastrous that choice ultimately was.
Celt
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I voted for Perot when I was 19, that's when I was ignorant to politics. I didn't pay any serious attention to politics until I was in my mid-30s.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
The United States presidential election of 1992 was the 52nd quadrennial presidential election. It was held on Tuesday, November 3, 1992. Democratic Governor Bill Clinton of Arkansas defeated incumbent Republican President George H. W. Bush, independent businessman Ross Perot of Texas, and a number of minor candidates.
If it had not been for Ross running Bill would have not won and Hillary would never been even known outside of Arkansas...
Pretty sure Bush Sr. had some new taxes and gun control measures put into place as well... Neither party is on our side.
libertysnake
.338 Win Mag
The reason it’s futile is because people on the side of individual freedom have lost the balls to organize and make strategic decisions to further their cause.
I agree it’s futile. But not impossible.