meketrefe
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Yes stating facts better than facting states, specially states of mind.
Trump says he would sign NATIONAL RECIPROCITY if it reaches his desk
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Brings back Saturday mornings as a young child! I remember watching that often.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
just had to now that i have that show in my mind now LOL ..
It has been made abundantly clear that SCOTUS can take any law and twist it so that is unrecognizable.
The 2A, for example.
FAKE NEWS
WH: Trump doesn't support assault weapons ban
However, Biden re-affirmed his support for just such a Ban last week.
Biden website vows ‘assault weapons’ ban, forced gun registration and banning online sales of guns, ammo and parts
Biden website vows ‘assault weapons’ ban, forced gun registration and banning online sales of guns, ammo and parts
spat
.950 JDJ
The 2nd ammendment has applied to the states since 1868.
SCOTUS hadn't specifically ruled on that fact until 2010.
But a statute that is unconstitutional was always unconstitutional. It didn’t just become that way when it was ruled on.
Blimey
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He's obvious better for 2a than biden, but he did have two years to do this and it's clear he doesn't really care about guns. This is tantamount to throwing table scraps. And then telling the dog if it behaves it gets more, but it never does get more. Biden instead kicks the dog, which is worse, but the dog is still under the table, begging and hungry.
gunpoliticsny
6.5 Creedmoor
This is propaganda from NRA trying to justify their existence, divert attention away from the BoD's mismanagement, and GOTV for Trump.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
14th amendment?
spat
.950 JDJ
Exactly.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
Donald Trump: I'll Sign National Reciprocity if It Reaches My Desk
President Donald Trump said he would sign national reciprocity legislation for concealed carry if it reaches his desk.www.breitbart.com
Once he is re elected he better push congress to get it to his desk!
Uh...IF the feds cannot tell the States what to do during the Cov-19...how can the Feds issue a blanket carry policy? Would it only be valid on federal property and if so, a person is on State property going to the federal property and fair game for any State that doesn't comply. I don't think it's worth anything unless all the States get on board....like that's going to happen
Celt
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I still support him, and what hes done overall, but Im not happy about his lack of DIRECT 2A help. Appointing all the judges he has should certainly help the 2a in the long run, but pushing for things like national reciprocity, the hearing protection act, and other things would have been great for us here and now.
I also agree that he has done more for America and people who value traditional American values than any other president in my adult life.
Celt
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I would argue that states that infringe on the 2a are in violation of the Constitution and the feds should be stepping in.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
"Imagine if we had bailed on Britain in europe in WWII because they weren't fighting as hard in the Pacific as we wanted them too... "
I'm not a pro Bloke person but the above statement is so wrong as England was a channel away from an invasion and had the crap bombed out of them. How could they expend assets to the pacific when most their assets were borrowed from the US.
I'm not a pro Bloke person but the above statement is so wrong as England was a channel away from an invasion and had the crap bombed out of them. How could they expend assets to the pacific when most their assets were borrowed from the US.
Celt
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Sadly, the children of today needs things like school house rock. If all the millenials had more stuff like this then they might not be as screwed up as they are.
Mr. terzmo
.308 Win
How long would it take to get to the Supreme Court ? Look at the NY State carry vs the NY $hitty carry. Is there a violation of the Constitution in either? And if so....I don't know of any actions worth a crap.
Celt
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Id say anything short of Constitutional Carry is an infringement, but lets say that permits are here to stay. In that case any "May issue" state is certainly violating peoples rights, paying high fees for permits, waiting periods that often exceed 1 year is an infringement. If permits were "here to stay" then it should be nothing more than walking in to the permitting office, filling out the paperwork, and walking out with the permit. No waiting period on a right is acceptable.
The feds should take a more proactive approach to ensuring that states are not violating the rights of American citizens. We are not NY citizens, we are NY residents.
DrBleachCocktail
.44 mag
Don’t think it’ll pass because it would be too confusing to work with. If I from Texas who don’t have a permit go to NY with my G19 how would that work? Do I honor NY law and only bring 10 round mags or the constitution and bring my standard magazine? Would those with firearms have a handgun logo on their drivers license or state ID? What if I bring Hollow points to NJ as a New Yorker? It’s too confusing but could benefit 2A and let scotus rule that “everything that’s not a NFA is fair game” yeah...... won’t happen.
spat
.950 JDJ
They *were* fighting in the pacific, and Africa, and every other theater in the world. You forget that half the world were British colonies at the time.
However, that doesn’t change the value of my analogy. The point is that while the 2A is an important fight, it is not the *only* important fight, and complaining that Trump is not prioritizing it as high as we would like doesn’t mean he isn’t fighting for it.
pjzwtl
.308 Win
States don’t have a right to over ride the constitution. That’s the issue
Its completely illogical and wrong that drivers licenses which are a privilege have reciprocity from state to state, but a constitutionally guaranteed right, does not.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Section 1 of the 14th amendment:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It was a reconstruction era amendment and a lot to do with bringing the states to heel.
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
It was a reconstruction era amendment and a lot to do with bringing the states to heel.
fnfalguy
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And IIRC, concealed carry has not been determined to be a right under the 2A, no matter what we believe it to be. If it was, then the States laws determined to be opposite of the interpretation of the amendment would be tossed out. Its been a long long time since I took a government course, but I think that is the way it currently works in our government.
Similar to what the left is concerned about by Roe v Wade being overturned. It would potentially identify some State laws as unconstitutional and then thrown out.
I'm back to the sidelines again.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
Never had a chance to do it. The RINOs and democrats never allowed the bill to reach his desk. Remember who is senate minority leader. He used every trick in the book to kill the bill.Well he had three and and half years to do it and I don't see it.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
You are entitled to your opinion, but it is the opinion of the SCOTUS that matters which did not happen until 2010!
Incorporation Doctrine
law.jrank.org
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
You are correct!
ROBERTSON et al. v. BALDWIN.
Paragraph 12.....
Thus, the freedom of speech and of the press (article 1) does not permit the publication of libels, blasphemous or indecent articles, or other publications injurious to public morals or private reputation; the right of the people to keep and bear arms (article 2) is not infringed by laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons;
Many here want to ignore this!
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
The History of Concealed Carry in the United States
Despite a long history as a gun culture concealed carry in America is a new phenomenon. In the past two decades this trend has expanded greatly.
www.usacarry.com
pjzwtl
.308 Win
Doesn’t make it a correct ruling but correct current precedent, which btw can change for better or worse. It does however only speak to concealed weapons so yea states are still trumping the 2AYou are correct!
ROBERTSON et al. v. BALDWIN.
www.law.cornell.edu
Paragraph 12.....
Thus, the freedom of speech and of the press (article 1) does not permit the publication of libels, blasphemous or indecent articles, or other publications injurious to public morals or private reputation; the right of the people to keep and bear arms (article 2) is not infringed by laws prohibiting the carrying of concealed weapons;
Many here want to ignore this!
@thewheels
.308 Win
Gee, we hope the supreme court maybe someday far off in the future will take a case that possibly incorporates to the states something in the BOR. - The 14th
That's EXACTLY.....codswallop.
Phazer
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Fool me once.....Donald Trump: I'll Sign National Reciprocity if It Reaches My Desk
President Donald Trump said he would sign national reciprocity legislation for concealed carry if it reaches his desk.
Once he is re elected he better push congress to get it to his desk!