Trump says "We wont sacrifice gun rights to the slippery slope"

[Curmudgeon]

I’m not trying to be clever at all. I’m being a realist and trying to explain the ignorance of some.

If for argument’s sake somehow you knew Trump was going to ban bump stocks 3 years ago and all you guys along with those that think like you throughout the country wrote in various names on the ballot, Hillary would be the President of the United States right now and bump stocks would be banned along with many other things due to the inability of some of you guys in looking a little further into the future besides just where you were standing.

Not writing in names. Voting simply shows you condone the corrupt system our government has become. If you somehow think all of this government is necessary, I don't understand you. There is zero need for 99.999999% of our government. They screw up everything they touch and they corrupt the system to enrich themselves.

Voting? Nope. Not ever. I'm smarter than 100% of them and don't need them to tell me what's in my best interest.

Your suggestion that we're the ignorant ones makes me giggle.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Not writing in names. Voting simply shows you condone the corrupt system our government has become. If you somehow think all of this government is necessary, I don't understand you. There is zero need for 99.999999% of our government. They screw up everything they touch and they corrupt the system to enrich themselves.

Voting? Nope. Not ever. I'm smarter than 100% of them and don't need them to tell me what's in my best interest.

Your suggestion that we're the ignorant ones makes me giggle.

Ahh. I see. Perhaps you should tell everyone to not vote. That’ll put someone in there that better serves our interests. Thanks for showing me the light.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Ahh. I see. Perhaps you should tell everyone to not vote. That’ll put someone in there that better serves our interests. Thanks for showing me the light.

Exactly how does Donald Trump, or any part this government serve your interests?

 

[Celt]

The reality is, for people like us, voting in federal elections does absolutely nothing.

The reality is, Trump has done a lot of good for the country, and a lot of things that many of us do support. It is a shame that he hasn't been better on gun rights, but it's important to keep in mind that he's the president and he cannot write laws. It's up to Congress, and that's where our biggest problem is.

 

[Grimscale]

And just why should we vote for Trump?
With two years as a supermajority, the GOP did NOTHING to end NFA, to reign in the Rights abusing and Law breaking States/Cities.
Businesses are laying people off left and right.
The Endangered Species Act is being gutted so their buddies can drill yet another oil well and rake in tons of cash they don't need.
The Stock Market is going up and down faster than a Clinton dick on an Epstein island.

And, even now, he makes noises like he would support further infringement on our Rights.
He hasn't ordered the DOJ to start going after States like CA and NY who enact blatantly unConstitutional Laws that infringe on the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments.

so, i say again, why vote for them?

Might as well vote for the ones that are willing to give me free shit in exchange for my Rights. right?

 

[E the massive]

Exactly how does Donald Trump, or any part this government serve your interests?

Ask Somalia how not having a central government is working out.

 

[Calculon]

Our system has evolved into a more powerful 2 party system than the founders could have imagined. What they designed over the course of months and years has been slowly subverted over 200 years. So unless enough citizens are ready to step up, risk it all and demand change through revolution (peaceful or not) then we all have to play the game we have, warts and all. Sitting on the sidelines lets everyone else chart your course.

I know several conservatives who refused to vote for Trump on some principal or other that was important to them. They ignored the corruption and dishonesty that the hag would bring to the White House. Still makes no sense to me.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Ask Somalia how not having a central government is working out.

So it's either this current government or Somalia? Nothing in between? That feels intellectually dishonest.

 

[Curmudgeon]

Our system has evolved into a more powerful 2 party system than the founders could have imagined. What they designed over the course of months and years has been slowly subverted over 200 years. So unless enough citizens are ready to step up, risk it all and demand change through revolution (peaceful or not) then we all have to play the game we have, warts and all. Sitting on the sidelines lets everyone else chart your course.

I know several conservatives who refused to vote for Trump on some principal or other that was important to them. They ignored the corruption and dishonesty that the hag would bring to the White House. Still makes no sense to me.

Why do we "have to play the game"?

 

[Calculon]

Why do we "have to play the game"?

That’s the beauty of it- we don’t. But others will why we sit on the sidelines and complain. So there are 3 basic choices:

• Play game
• Don’t play game
• Change game

We each get to pick one.

 

[Steal2B]

With two years as a supermajority,

Incorrect. This administration did not have a three fifths supermajority in the Senate and had to negotiate with Shumer or Red State democrats. Without 60 votes in the Senate for cloture (like the previous administration had) legislation had to deal with Schumer or get several dems to cross over on anything except for Nuclear optioned appointments or the initial continuing budget resolution (that was being used as an attempt to defund Obamacare) that McCain killed.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Hey I don't want to play the game either. And we all can choose not to up to a certain point. At that point people with guns show up to take you away. My biggest thing is taxes. I sure as hell don't want to pay them but what choice do we have? They take them right out of your check and again if you don't pay certain ones the guns come. I suppose I could become a drug king pin but that's just too risky.

 

[Edwardteach72]

Guys stop being critical of the president. That's mean,

Stop being mad about gun related stuff on a gun forum that's wrong and you shouldnt be allowed to do that.

So what if trump campaigned on champion gun rights and turned out to be the complete opposite that doesnt give you the right to be angry or critical of the guy instead be happy for what you got

 

[Celt]

Our system has evolved into a more powerful 2 party system than the founders could have imagined. What they designed over the course of months and years has been slowly subverted over 200 years. So unless enough citizens are ready to step up, risk it all and demand change through revolution (peaceful or not) then we all have to play the game we have, warts and all. Sitting on the sidelines lets everyone else chart your course.

I know several conservatives who refused to vote for Trump on some principal or other that was important to them. They ignored the corruption and dishonesty that the hag would bring to the White House. Still makes no sense to me.

A big part of the problem has been no term limits set for congress, and people making a career out of politics.

The founders knew this and put provisions in place to helo prevent it, but PEOPLE are typically self centered and couldnt be bothered with politics because they were busy with their own lives.

People ruined what we had, and complacency is what allowed it to happen. If we wanted to keep what was started it would have required a majority of the people to treat politics like a duty, and put just as much effort into it as their jobs and families.

 

[BMF JK]

“President Trump suggested Democrats have given up any defense of the Second Amendment and pledged that he will not allow Americans’ gun rights to be swept away on the “slippery slope” of gun control.”

Slippery slope !? Mother fuck we have been slipping and clawing at tree roots trying to stop or at the very least slow our descent for far too long . It’s time to dig in . It’s time to push to top of this damn slope and so far beyond we will never again be in this position of “defending “ 2A !!
Democrats haven’t just given up the defense of the 2A they’re on the offense of it !

 

[Steal2B]

A big part of the problem has been no term limits set for congress, and people making a career out of politics.

The founders knew this and put provisions in place to helo prevent it, but PEOPLE are typically self centered and couldnt be bothered with politics because they were busy with their own lives.

People ruined what we had, and complacency is what allowed it to happen. If we wanted to keep what was started it would have required a majority of the people to treat politics like a duty, and put just as much effort into it as their jobs and families.

 

[Curmudgeon]

My biggest thing is taxes. I sure as hell don't want to pay them but what choice do we have? They take them right out of your check and again if you don't pay certain ones the guns come. I suppose I could become a drug king pin but that's just too risky.

You have lots of choices to minimize how the government steals from you. From renting vs. owning, to registering your car in another state that doesnt have inspections or exorbitant registration fees. Try paying some folks in cash vs credit card. Try offering customers different rates for cash payment vs card/check. Get a second gig doing something cash only that isnt traceable.

 

[Curmudgeon]

@Celt I disagree that "people" ruined it. Politicians did by corrupting themselves and others in order to enrich themselves. We trust them to do certain things and they do the opposite.

 

[BDinPutnam]

This isnt a binary thing.

I refuse to vote for a candidate I disagree with on fundamental things that include but very much go beyond gun rights. So I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Now re-read my second paragraph and insert "so I didn't vote for Donald Trump."

I am also obviously old fashioned inasmuch as I still believe that character matters.

I voted for someone else.

It isnt binary, there are least four options (if not more):

Vote for candidate A who you disagree with on 90% of the issues.

Vote for candidate B who you disagree with on 60% of the issues.

Vote for candidate C who has no chance in hell of winning but you agree with on 75% of the issues.

Don't vote.

I chose option C as the most ethically and morally acceptable route for me personally. Your mileage may vary, its your vote. But don't tell me a vote for candidate C (or not voting at all) is "a vote for candidate A" because IT SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE as a matter of logic and real world applicability. It is one vote FEWER for candidate B, perhaps, but it is certainly not an additional vote for candidate A.

 

[spat]

Not writing in names. Voting simply shows you condone the corrupt system our government has become. If you somehow think all of this government is necessary, I don't understand you. There is zero need for 99.999999% of our government. They screw up everything they touch and they corrupt the system to enrich themselves.

Voting? Nope. Not ever. I'm smarter than 100% of them and don't need them to tell me what's in my best interest.

Your suggestion that we're the ignorant ones makes me giggle.

Not voting because you don't agree with the system is as effective as disarming yourself to reduce violence.

Those who don't live by the sword can still die on them.

Not voting gains you nothing.

 

[BDinPutnam]

Not voting gains you nothing.

Untrue!

It gains you like 30 minutes on election day.

 

[cgrutt]

This isnt a binary thing.

I refuse to vote for a candidate I disagree with on fundamental things that include but very much go beyond gun rights. So I didn't vote for Hillary Clinton.

Now re-read my second paragraph and insert "so I didn't vote for Donald Trump."

I am also obviously old fashioned inasmuch as I still believe that character matters.

I voted for someone else.

It isnt binary, there are least four options (if not more):

Vote for candidate A who you disagree with on 90% of the issues.

Vote for candidate B who you disagree with on 60% of the issues.

Vote for candidate C who has no chance in hell of winning but you agree with on 75% of the issues.

Don't vote.

I chose option C as the most ethically and morally acceptable route for me personally. Your mileage may vary, its your vote. But don't tell me a vote for candidate C (or not voting at all) is "a vote for candidate A" because IT SIMPLY ISN'T TRUE as a matter of logic and real world applicability. It is one vote FEWER for candidate B, perhaps, but it is certainly not an additional vote for candidate A.

First off I'm a firm believer that your vote doesn't matter within NYS unless you vote for the Dem so I really could care less how you or anyone else votes.

With that said while the choice to any individual is not binary the outcome most certainly is (i.e., the Dem will either win or lose). Your vote for C rather than B does not add a vote to A but it most certainly increases the odds that A will prevail. Just saying...

 

[Curmudgeon]

Not voting because you don't agree with the system is as effective as disarming yourself to reduce violence.

Those who don't live by the sword can still die on them.

Not voting gains you nothing.

Tell me about a time where your vote made a difference and what it changed.

 

[Blimey]

Not writing in names. Voting simply shows you condone the corrupt system our government has become. If you somehow think all of this government is necessary, I don't understand you. There is zero need for 99.999999% of our government. They screw up everything they touch and they corrupt the system to enrich themselves.

Voting? Nope. Not ever. I'm smarter than 100% of them and don't need them to tell me what's in my best interest.

Your suggestion that we're the ignorant ones makes me giggle.

There is merit to this.

But, to will's point, if enough think like this, you'll end up with a gun-banning dem. You can then be comfortable that you did not endorse and condone the process and stand on the high ground accordingly, but that will be the end result.

At the same time how you or any of us vote does not make a material difference, as no election comes down to a single vote either way, but truly there are only two choices: 1) Gun-hating dem, 2) Gun-warmish republican.

The first will erode your rights very quickly, the second slower. There is no third, no-right-eroding option.

 

[Blimey]

And just why should we vote for Trump?
With two years as a supermajority, the GOP did NOTHING to end NFA, to reign in the Rights abusing and Law breaking States/Cities.
Businesses are laying people off left and right.
The Endangered Species Act is being gutted so their buddies can drill yet another oil well and rake in tons of cash they don't need.
The Stock Market is going up and down faster than a Clinton dick on an Epstein island.

And, even now, he makes noises like he would support further infringement on our Rights.
He hasn't ordered the DOJ to start going after States like CA and NY who enact blatantly unConstitutional Laws that infringe on the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments.

so, i say again, why vote for them?

Might as well vote for the ones that are willing to give me free shit in exchange for my Rights. right?

If clinton were in office there would already be an AWB.

That roller coaster stock market is like a roller coaster and coasters are fun. If Clinton were in office I'm pretty confident my net worth would be less than it is now because the market wouldn't have hit the heights it has.

End of the day:

- a couple more republican-appointed supreme court justices
- no new wars started
- some, albeit insufficient, efforts to curtail illegal immigration
- economy is doing insanely well

Trump is nuts, like I have no idea what he's actually doing with this greenland stuff, but I do think we're doing better than had clinton won.

 

[E the massive]

So it's either this current government or Somalia? Nothing in between? That feels intellectually dishonest.

Your post that I quoted is dishonest. You know exactly the benefits of our current system.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

President Trump: We Won't Sacrifice Gun Rights to 'Slippery Slope'

Im glad he listened to how bad this would be for him. Still disappointed he entertained it at all.

Still going to be bad..no win situation for Him. More people want some restrictions then people who understand the Constitution and the left is going to run with this

 

[Curmudgeon]

Your post that I quoted is dishonest. You know exactly the benefits of our current system.

Actually, I don't. Please share what you see as benefits.

 

[NirvanaFan]

First off I'm a firm believer that your vote doesn't matter within NYS unless you vote for the Dem so I really could care less how you or anyone else votes.

With that said while the choice to any individual is not binary the outcome most certainly is (i.e., the Dem will either win or lose). Your vote for C rather than B does not add a vote to A but it most certainly increases the odds that A will prevail. Just saying...

These two statements contradict each other. Either your vote matters (second paragraph), or it doesn't (first paragraph). There is no, "your vote doesn't matter, but a vote for candidate C increases the chance A will prevail." It's one or the other.

 

[Podmonkey]

Exactly how does Donald Trump, or any part this government serve your interests?

Credit where credit is due, Trump has cut taxes across the board and the economy has drastically improved on his watch. He is also taking it to the Chinese in the trade war.
He has also managed to keep us out of war with Iran. And possibly with Russia.
I don't like his malleability on gun rights but the same goes for Republicans in general.
I am going to vote for him again in 2020. If he is behind any further major anti gun legislation then I would be forced to abstain from voting.
I certainly am not voting for any of the other candidates.