US Catholic Bishops to Vote on Denying Biden Communion

[FS1040]

I never said science was settled. Science is a process. If it's ever "settled" then it no longer exists.


Evolution says nothing about the origin of life. That's abiogenesis.

Evolution is about the origin of *species*. I.e. you start with some living stuff and get different living stuff.

Evolution is absolutely compatible with many religions.

For instance the bible says god created all the creatures of the earth. Science is an attempt to understand *how* he created them.

The bible doesn't say he snapped his fingers and they all appeared from thin air in their present form.

We can see evolution at work right before our eyes.

Or do you not believe in selective breeding ? Do you have an alternate explanation for why cows produce twice as much milk as they used to, why chickens are twice as large ?

Because *we* bred them that way. *We* directed their evolution to bring about those changes.

I think by your own argument you proved that something cannot come from nothing.

God didn’t snap His fingers. You’re right on that point. He spoke by the word of His power.

We do not see evolution “right before our eyes.” Take the iPhone. We all say it’s evolved into the 12 Pro Max.

Really? You have iPhone 3S’ spontaneously changing out parts, writing its own software, and then growing new chips and screens? The design changed because there are DESIGNERS.

This world is far more complex yet it came from chance? It’s impossible.

 

[FS1040]

Well to be fair you didn't make any pints/points, much less pose any questions to "answer", so there is that.

Well to be fair you didn't make any pints/points, much less pose any questions to "answer", so there is that.

Fat thumbs! But God made me like that so I’m happy how I am.

 

[Criticalt]

You're like that guy who has to tell everyone he's vegan.

A cross fit, lesbian vegan!!....and a tactical operator!!

 

[Darth]

I think by your own argument you proved that something cannot come from nothing.

God didn’t snap His fingers. You’re right on that point. He spoke by the word of His power.

We do not see evolution “right before our eyes.” Take the iPhone. We all say it’s evolved into the 12 Pro Max.

Really? You have iPhone 3S’ spontaneously changing out parts, writing its own software, and then growing new chips and screens? The design changed because there are DESIGNERS.

This world is far more complex yet it came from chance? It’s impossible.

I'm not even saying this facetiously. You know so little of evolutionary theory, you may want to read up on it. You will learn a great deal.

You see the iphone thing you did there? First of all nobody says it "evolved" into the 12, but that is beside the point. Do you think the iPhone 3 was upgraded to the 12? Or do you think in between the 2 there were literally thousands of iterations of the same phone, slightly changing over a long period of time until we have what we have today?

I don't know of anyone that thinks the world came "from chance" and only the religious folks think that something said "alakazam" and there it is.

Anyway, how did we determine that "He spoke by word of his power?"

 

[Darth]

Fat thumbs! But God made me like that so I’m happy how I am.

Hey, whatever makes you happy.

God makes little children riddled with Leukemia too, I'm sure they feel the same way as they celebrate their 4th and final birthdays.

 

[FS1040]

Hey, whatever makes you happy.

God makes little children riddled with Leukemia too, I'm sure they feel the same way as they celebrate their 4th and final birthdays.

I don’t think you or I understand the mysteries of God or what causes leukemia, but Christ is the great physician. He healed the sick abd made the lane to walk. He also forgave sins. Which one was greater? The temporal or the eternal?

 

[Criticalt]

This sin thing is rather funny as well.

It seems that sins are told by the eye of the beholder.

Is it a sin to kill another human being? Some would say yes, many examples of where the church and church-goers seem to put this bad sin to one side.

Adultery, another bad and evil sin. Popes throughout history were very guilty of this.



Seven deadly sins, also called seven capital sins or seven cardinal sins, in Roman Catholic theology, the seven vices that spur other sins and further immoral behavior.

First enumerated by Pope Gregory I (the Great) in the 6th century and elaborated in the 13th century by St. Thomas Aquinas, they are:

(1) vainglory, or pride,
(2) greed, or covetousness,
(3) lust, or inordinate or illicit sexual desire,
(4) envy,
(5) gluttony, which is usually understood to include drunkenness,
(6) wrath, or anger, and
(7) sloth.

So, should all that commit these "sins" be kicked out the church and out of christianity?

Hell, there would be no Xtians left on the planet.

Sounds like my daily itinerary.

 

[FS1040]

I'm not even saying this facetiously. You know so little of evolutionary theory, you may want to read up on it. You will learn a great deal.
…….
Anyway, how did we determine that "He spoke by word of his power?"

Thank you for admitting it’s a theory! You know so little of Christianity, you may want to read up on it.

Word of His Power is from Hebrews 1:1-4.

And I will add, it’s different from”the power of His word” but that’s another discussion.

 

[Darth]

I don’t think you or I understand the mysteries of God or what causes leukemia, but Christ is the great physician. He healed the sick abd made the lane to walk. He also forgave sins. Which one was greater? The temporal or the eternal?

Has he ever healed an amputee?

By the Christian view, we know what created leukemia. God did.

What "sins" and why do they need "forgiven?"

I actually wouldn't want to know what "mystery" God is cooking up as he sits by idle as countless kids die in their parent's arms or alone, because no moral entity could justify it.

Considering we have no reason to believe "the eternal" exists, I'd say the here and now.

 

[Darth]

Thank you for admitting it’s a theory! You know so little of Christianity, you may want to read up on it.

Word of His Power is from Hebrews 1:1-4.

And I will add, it’s different from”the power of His word” but that’s another discussion.

Admitting it's a theory? So agreeing that it is the highest standard of evidence that exists in the scientific realm? You're welcome?

What's funny is that with each post it's clear that I know more about your bible than you do. xD

Speaking of which, why should we believe a single word of that the bible says?

 

[FS1040]

Speaking of which, why should we believe a single word of that the bible says?

so that you might have everlasting life is a pretty good reason.

 

[Darth]

so that you might have everlasting life is a pretty good reason.

No no no, I understand that's the myth it tries to lure the gullible in with. The question is WHY should you believe anything the Bible says?

 

[GOPerfect]

I just keep going back to the hypocrisy of all of this.

The Catholic church has killed so many more than Biden and his support of abortion.

The church has killed millions and millions and millions of humans and now they want to kick Biden to the curb and he has killed not one person, at least none that I know of

 

[meketrefe]

I just keep going back to the hypocrisy of all of this.

The Catholic church has killed so many more than Biden and his support of abortion.

The church has killed millions and millions and millions of humans and now they want to kick Biden to the curb and he has killed not one person, at least none that I know of

All ancient religions and civilizations have been pretty brutal and certain fundamentalist versions of it continue to be to this day.
The biggest problem has come from politics and having religion meshed into state as institutional, social amd political power.
The religion is not the problem in itself, humans tribalism is the problem.
Lets say Saudi Arabia or Iran today, the separation of religion from state is incomprehensible to most.
It is so ridicolous that humans will find any sort of justification to attack certain variants of their own religions if they do not adhere to the agenda for control. Religion is just a conscious or subconscious justification to retain ones status.
But it could be anything else like using race, sexual classification, status, flags and colors to polarize and divide people in order to gain power.
Humans we are pretty primitive that way still. We are still tribal / village maneable folks.

 

[Criticalt]

Sinse we are on the subject......
I have many issues with organized religion.
One of the biggest issues is that most people say they adhere to their beliefs because they need a way to explain how life works and where we came from and where we are going...well.......we already know most of that....and NONE of it has to do with a superior being. 99.9% of what religious doctrine decrees has been proven false through science and evolutionary knowledge.
So then people throw around the "faith" theory. That the devil....or another deity created the wrong think of evolution to test the faithful.
Ummmmmmmmm, no
People have always needed something.....something to grasp.....something to explain life and its trials and tribulations. Its not that hard folks...the answers are out there and they are not in a centuries old book. Almost everything people thought 2000 years ago was incorrect but through experience and learned knowledge we have corrected a lot of these things.
Take Christianity for instance.
When the religion was started, it was needed.
The earth was growing in population and they needed a set of rules to keep people under control. Knowing that most people could not be controlled by laws, or rules or threats of imprisonment.... someone thought up creating a new religion that would punish the sinners with eternal fire and pain. A vengeful god who would damn your soul if you do not obey. This was a time when people were very superstitious and did NOT want to burn in eternity.
It worked so well that the devout ran ruff shod over the earth and vanquished the non believers. They created centuries of indoctrinated followers.
If something like this happened today, very few would adhere.
Think of modern day cults.
Would any of you fall for these wackos bullshit? It preposterous to think you would, correct?
Well, billions of humans have fell for it for centuries.
There are many new religions that would sound ridiculous to us now, but every religion is the exact same. Created by man to control and to make people feel there is balance in the world.

 

[spat]

I think trolling would be more like "There are this many possibilities because math" and not understanding how logical reasoning works, but pretending you do. Let's look at the "geometry" hypothesis:

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How many numbers are on this number line?

An infinite number of them.

But it has 2 endpoints at 0 and 10.

So, a beginning and an end.

Why are you struggling with basic math ?

 

[spat]

I think by your own argument you proved that something cannot come from nothing.

God didn’t snap His fingers. You’re right on that point. He spoke by the word of His power.

We do not see evolution “right before our eyes.” Take the iPhone. We all say it’s evolved into the 12 Pro Max.

Really? You have iPhone 3S’ spontaneously changing out parts, writing its own software, and then growing new chips and screens? The design changed because there are DESIGNERS.

This world is far more complex yet it came from chance? It’s impossible.

That iphone example not remotely how evolution works, no matter what the marketing guys want you to think.

No individual ever undergoes evolution. Evolution happens when things reproduce.


Think of it this way. You have a racehorse, and you train and exercise it, and it gets faster. That is not evolution.

But you have a stable of racehorses, and you breed the fastest ones and not the slowest ones. In a few generations you have faster horses. That is evolution.

Or do you think all the animal breeding industries are just a scam and there's no point in paying stud fees for champions ?

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Robin]

What has been said has been said again, and will be said again, in many ways, in many languages, but still, the search continues, and will continue.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

When do Biden's victims get to sue for sexual abuse?

 

[Darth]

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Atheism says nothing about the creation of the universe.

That does sound, pretty much textbook, for how the "God did it" line of reasoning works however.

So in this case it would be mocking the ignorance of the English language.

 

[spat]

Atheism says nothing about the creation of the universe.

That does sound, pretty much textbook, for how the "God did it" line of reasoning works however.

So in this case it would be mocking the ignorance of the English language.

Atheism says "god didn't do it".

The only other possibilities are nortatoga's version or the "it's always existed" version.

You will claim there are other possibilities, but you won't list any of them, because there aren't any.

 

[Darth]

Atheism says "god didn't do it".

The only other possibilities are nortatoga's version or the "it's always existed" version.

You will claim there are other possibilities, but you won't list any of them, because there aren't any.

Atheism does not say "God didn't do it."

Atheism is a lack of belief in a God or Gods. It doesn't say anything of the beginning of the universe.

How are you determining there are no other possibilities?

 

[FS1040]

No no no, I understand that's the myth it tries to lure the gullible in with. The question is WHY should you believe anything the Bible says?

The simplest answer is because it’s true, but your caviling makes me wonder why you have such animosity to Christianity. Are you as strident in your opposition to Judaism or Islam?

 

[Darth]

The simplest answer is because it’s true, but your caviling makes me wonder why you have such animosity to Christianity. Are you as strident in your opposition to Judaism or Islam?

Yes, I oppose all religons.

How did you determine that it's true?

 

[nortatoga]

 

[FS1040]

That iphone example not remotely how evolution works, no matter what the marketing guys want you to think.

No individual ever undergoes evolution. Evolution happens when things reproduce.


Think of it this way. You have a racehorse, and you train and exercise it, and it gets faster. That is not evolution.

But you have a stable of racehorses, and you breed the fastest ones and not the slowest ones. In a few generations you have faster horses. That is evolution.

Or do you think all the animal breeding industries are just a scam and there's no point in paying stud fees for champions ?

That’s not evolution. That’s called selective breeding. There is an outside agent acting upon those horses. Evolution says chance makes it happen. Impossible.

The horses on the Outer Banks have been left alone. Guess what—they are still horses. Where’s evolution making them faster and faster?

You see a building and know an architect designed it. You wear shoes and know they were assembled by child labor in China. In both cases, you weren’t there, but you know soneone made it.

The theory of evolution breaks every law of physics and nature and we are to believe the impossible? It makes zero sense

 

[Grimscale]

Take Christianity for instance.
When the religion was started, it was needed.
The earth was growing in population and they needed a set of rules to keep people under control. Knowing that most people could not be controlled by laws, or rules or threats of imprisonment.... someone thought up creating a new religion that would punish the sinners with eternal fire and pain. A vengeful god who would damn your soul if you do not obey. This was a time when people were very superstitious and did NOT want to burn in eternity.
It worked so well that the devout ran ruff shod over the earth and vanquished the non believers. They created centuries of indoctrinated followers.

When Christianity was created there were already other religions that had existed for centuries.
Christianity wasn't needed. It was just one more "start-up", created as a way of controlling the masses (ie: giving one or a few power over others), and survived not only by threatening people with some unnamed, vague "eternal damnation", but by incorporating existing religious practices, holidays, and rituals. Kind of like hostile corporate takeovers.
It is far easier to convert people if you can say "see, we have the same rituals, just with different names". It lends a level of authenticity, and hides the fact that you are attempting to subvert or steal another religion's members.
This budding religion also quelled other pre-existing religions by murdering their members, breeding their women, and otherwise "running roughshod over the Earth".

If something like this happened today, very few would adhere.
Think of modern day cults.

You mean like Methodist, Catholic, Protestant, etc.?
They may not have been as violent, but they were, at the start "cults" that have managed to use the original religion's tactics to survive and thrive.

 

[Defilade]

What does the science say as to where we all came from? How were we created? If not God then where hails the "Science"????

 

[FS1040]

Yes, I oppose all religons.

How did you determine that it's true?

The first step in suppressing the truth — Romans 1 is clear on this— is eliminating God from your conscience and denying His existence. It’s not that God doesn’t exist, it’s that you don’t want Him to exist. Why?

He demands no other gods before Him. You want to do what you want. You are the master of your own destiny. You want to be like god yourself. It’s the same lie believed by Adam and Eve in the garden 7,000 or so years ago. (Maybe 10,000 if you don’t believe in a young earth.)

The heavens declare the glory of God and you say that’s not proof enough? What do you need, a sign?

He gave you a sign when He rose from the grave. Eyewitnesses testified to it. They died for it. You say you want more proof. How much is enough?

You think we have evolved? Nope, we are the same as we’ve always been—sinners in need of a savior.