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you are correct sir
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Someone should quit while their behind!!!
One in every crowd!!!
What should he take a break from?
Life perhaps?
Dude has "zero" reference in teaching the class, as he stated, so his opinion is about as worthless as his real life off of the computer probably is.
$10 he spends most of his day playing Call Of Duty in his moms basement. I'd offer him a free class so he can show off his "talents" but he probably would be too scared to show his face in real life in front of people without his keyboard in front of him. Tacticool Keyboard Commando. If he actually is in Buffalo Id even comp him for our two day Force On Force class in Erie in October so he can show us all how much he knows about shooting and concealed carry!! Again he would probably chicken out. Put up or shut up.
He can run his shit all he wants but we teach the class that is required by the state. we teach is greatly different from everyone else, but again he has no idea how or what we teach, he is only reference the ONE class he has ever taken in his life and basing his opinion on that. Weak.
Of course however he will call this a "westchester" problem I'm sure... but the safety class, last I looked up every county in NY, is required in:
Albany
Broome (to upgrade to full)
Cayuga
Chenango
Columbia
Cortland
Erie
Genesee
Greene
Herkimer
Jefferson
Lewis
Madison
Niagara
Oneida
Onondaga
Orange
Orleans
Oswego
Putnam
Rensselaer
Rockland
Schenectady
Schoharie
Steuben
Sullivan
Ulster
Warren
Westchester
So, let him talk, OR he can come into any class we have and show us how much he knows.
Even for things that are "off the shelf" there can be a great deal of difference between a good merchant and a bad one.Not to piss on anyone's business, but people take this way too seriously. Pick an instructor - any instructor and get it over with. You're not taking some high level tactical training here. People seem to think if they take a class from "ABC Training" instead of "XYZ Training" that they are going to get put to the front of the line or get preferential treatment. All you need is the piece of paper saying you sat through a "class" that discussed things that you should already have known anyway. I think you probably have a grip on things if you've found yourself here. Take the class and fill in the blanks on the application. It's that easy. The instructors name on your certificate will not effect the outcome in any way.
We are talking about the most elementary "safety (that you should already know) / "this is how you fill in the blanks" class. I'm not saying his other classes are shit. I'm saying the mandatory "don't point a gun at someone, and print with black ink" classes are pretty goofy and my biggest point of it all is: It doesn't matter where you took the class, as long as you took it. Your application will be processed exactly the same way with the same outcome. That is all.Even for things that are "off the shelf" there can be a great deal of difference between a good merchant and a bad one.
For instance you'd think a McDonald's hamburger would be the same everywhere. But it's not. There are some places where they are decent and others I'd worry feeding it to my dog.
The application may be processed the same.We are talking about the most elementary "safety (that you should already know) / "this is how you fill in the blanks" class. I'm not saying his other classes are shit. I'm saying the mandatory "don't point a gun at someone, and print with black ink" classes are pretty goofy and my biggest point of it all is: It doesn't matter where you took the class, as long as you took it. Your application will be processed exactly the same way with the same outcome. That is all.
Citation for “denial on a whim or penmanship” please. The same people that scream “restrictions don’t matter“ are the ones who also claim the permit can be denied or revoked for the most ludicrous and ridiculous reasons. Where is the proof? Can’t have it both ways.The application may be processed the same.
But, this is NY, judges can approve or deny applications for any whim. You can get denied because they don't like your penmanship.
Also, these classes do include a lot of very important information for a new gun owner. I can see a world of difference between the quality of instruction on use of force between a good class and a "well, it meets the requirements" class for instance.
Just because they are basic classes doesn't mean the quality doesn't matter.
Glad to hear you got a guy who is reasonable and willing to accommodate you with the references. Just be sure to use black ink on the application. That is, after all 50% of the curriculum of the class you are forced to take to carry a gun.thanks all. i have registered to take class needed for permit.
this 4 character reference thing was bugging me, i called the pistol permit unit, detective i spoke to over the phone, out of state character references are ok, if you have moved to westchester or dont know anyone
permit application says nothing about typing in the PDF and printing out. only time i may have to use pen is to sign after i print completed application.
Glad to hear you got a guy who is reasonable and willing to accommodate you with the references. Just be sure to use black ink on the application. That is, after all 50% of the curriculum of the class you are forced to take to carry a gun.
I know around here they require the permission to use outside references be provided in writing from the police department when you submit, but if they didn’t tell you that they must be easier to work with than my county is.i am not sure i am going to get the same detective when i make an appointment. i was just asking for information. just hoping whoever is assigned at that time to go over application is nice and consistent enough with the information given to me.
You fucked up.
You applied for 2 separate licenses with one application.
Seems to me like you're only supposed to use one attachment which would be for the permit you're applying for. It looks like you are trying to apply for multiple permits.
Also it says
"Please refer to the Pistol Safety and Information Handbook for Westchester County when completing this form".
I would suggest you do that.
*You fucked up the paperwork.i am have NOT yet applied, in the process of doing paper work.
i am have NOT yet applied, in the process of doing paper work.
Or just read and follow the instructions. They are not written in a secret language only known to a "trainer".Kind of blows your whole argument to shit. No?
Or just read and follow the instructions. They are not written in a secret language only known to a "trainer".
First off, if you would of listened to togmaster and myself these questions would of been answered by Ben.
I just scanned the handbook and found they took out Sportsperson.
You can call the County Clerks office and ask if you can use the generic form and write in Sportsperson.
If not, since it is your first permit I would just try for target.
No need to fill out the others.
All permits are concealed carry. There is no open carry in this state.
You will store the pistol at your home so there is no need for a premise permit.
You will never get a full carry, don't even waste your time.
After a year with no incidents you can try for an upgrade.