Come September 1, will gun ranges be posting the signs?
The whole idea seems comical.
Let's hope the judicial system makes this moot.
The whole idea seems comical.
Let's hope the judicial system makes this moot.
Will gun ranges have to post "guns allowed" signs?
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DoOver
.450/400 Nitro Ex
My fire house just did!!!
I said if that's the case I demand the same sign for our ambulances!!
I said if that's the case I demand the same sign for our ambulances!!
Hochul is such a stupid cunt.
DoOver
.450/400 Nitro Ex
QFT!
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Yes. It’s private property. I’m wondering if I’ll need written permission from my parents , friends, and other family members.
The better question is... Who is actually going to follow these laws?
If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?
If a tree falls in the forest does it make a sound?
Uzi
.308 Win
The more important question is, how many law enforcers are excited to actually start cracking down on enforcing these unconstitutional laws on the 1st? Will they be keeping a closer eye on who's committing a total bullshit of a new felony offense that the state never had an issue with prior?
Will we start to see more stores with technology and equipment that can potentially spot concealed firearms easier and kept on the hush hush? Will police/security and certain employees be looking out for printing now more than ever to nail the guy at the grocery store picking up some milk and eggs?
How far will the law enforcers be willing to go to destroy a New Yorker's life that just wants the ability to continue having some form of self defense protection for themselves and family?
Will the police ignore this unconstitutional bullshit and follow the oath they took? Or will they do what they're told by queen Whorechul because it pays the bills?
Will we start to see more stores with technology and equipment that can potentially spot concealed firearms easier and kept on the hush hush? Will police/security and certain employees be looking out for printing now more than ever to nail the guy at the grocery store picking up some milk and eggs?
How far will the law enforcers be willing to go to destroy a New Yorker's life that just wants the ability to continue having some form of self defense protection for themselves and family?
Will the police ignore this unconstitutional bullshit and follow the oath they took? Or will they do what they're told by queen Whorechul because it pays the bills?
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Just the ones who think breathing should be a felony so they can arrest anyone who pisses them off and just ignore everyone else.
"Unlicense emission of a greenhouse gas" coming to a corrupt legislature near you.
minderasr
6.5 Creedmoor
What if we provided our own signs?
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
Technically, the DEC has you covered because you are practicing marksmanship for hunting.
In reality, we have entered a state of being in which the philosophy of Reductio ad absurdum reigns supreme.
Reducto ad absurdum is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.
On other words; I am really going to open the trunk of my sedan in the parking lot (or at a nearby neutral area), unholster my sidearm, place my handgun in a safe in the trunk, and close the trunk, all within view of dozens of shoppers. All to avoid creating a stir within the store, where my sidearm would be carried under several layers of shirts, completely out of view for the entire visit (and as I have been doing for decades without incident.)
I am not going to take this to absurd levels. No one in their right mind would want us to. Problem is, the government in Albany is not in their right mind. They have proven it over and over during the past months.
The law is written either my madmen or to purposely be impossible to comply with. Or both.
If I had to enter a store while doing a handstand, for instance, I would just walk in as normal. If I am stopped, my defense is that it is just physically impossible for me to do handstands. I have no other choice.
In reality, we have entered a state of being in which the philosophy of Reductio ad absurdum reigns supreme.
Reducto ad absurdum is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.
On other words; I am really going to open the trunk of my sedan in the parking lot (or at a nearby neutral area), unholster my sidearm, place my handgun in a safe in the trunk, and close the trunk, all within view of dozens of shoppers. All to avoid creating a stir within the store, where my sidearm would be carried under several layers of shirts, completely out of view for the entire visit (and as I have been doing for decades without incident.)
I am not going to take this to absurd levels. No one in their right mind would want us to. Problem is, the government in Albany is not in their right mind. They have proven it over and over during the past months.
The law is written either my madmen or to purposely be impossible to comply with. Or both.
If I had to enter a store while doing a handstand, for instance, I would just walk in as normal. If I am stopped, my defense is that it is just physically impossible for me to do handstands. I have no other choice.
mark60
.40 S&W
As usual they just have me confused as shit. When the original bill was posted it included private businesses as restricted unless posted. The recent posting of the DCJS document doesn't include private businesses as being sensitive places. Can we or can't we? Maybe better put is can we or can't we, legally?
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
The law is written either my madmen or to purposely be impossible to comply with. Or both.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
The document provided by DCJS/State Police DOES NOT clearly include going in and out of regular businesses such as a grocery store or Home Depot. It vaguely says 'another person's property.' How does one comply with such vague language?
Carlos Hathcock
.450/400 Nitro Ex
A better question is how many Karens and "citizen police" will start making it their missing to assure all are in compliance.
US RIFLE M1A
.45 acp
I work armed security in a government building. The jurisdiction I work in never passed a local law prohibiting carry in the buildings. (It's NOT a courthouse.) Not carrying in the building is a courtesy the public extends to us, and I never forget that. So far, I have never had a situation in which there was anyone carrying. However... I refuse to give a rat's ass (or a Hokul's face) about weapons which are backed up by a carry license. The judge gave out that license and he is the final word. Far be it from me to over rule the judge.
NO WAY I am going to look for a confrontation where none exists. The PD I work with on a daily basis feels the same way, before or after 9/1.
Absent an actual incident, a 'Karen' will be told: 'I checked, he's fine,' and that's it.
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That_FNG
.308 Win
That sounds like it would be considered brandishing
You left out the part about unloading the gun, then locking it in a fire resistant and tamper proof vault which is securely tethered to the vehicle. Don't forget to lock up your loose ammo somewhere else before you go in the store for a gallon of milk.
Of course, now you should keep a good cooler in your car too, because you're going to want to put the ice cream in the cooler so it doesn't melt while you unlock your gun, load the mag, load the gun, chamber a round, and holster it right there in the parking lot. Then again, maybe not - the parking lot is still private property, and you would still be breaking the law. You better pull out onto the street before doing that.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
its unconstitutional .. the Govt can't compel you to speak .. posting a sign is speech ..
crap i can't remember who did a video on that ..
crap i can't remember who did a video on that ..
Phazer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Bingo!
Being compelled to post a sign stating that your business allows patrons to exercise constitutionally protected rights is redundant, if not unconstitutional.
If you do not want patrons to exercise their second amendment rights on your private property, that is your prerogative.
Turning the second amendment into a political virtue signaling exercise is a dangerous practice in a heavily progressive jurisdiction where the "tolerant Left" would vandalize and harass any business that posts a "Concealed Carry Permitted" sign. Our Liberal Progressive leaders know this.... they're counting on the Lefitst mob to be their enforcers.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Hochul administration says shooting contests will stay despite NY gun law
Democrats passed a new gun law, which might transform a legal victory for gun rights at the national level into a loss for shooting sports in NY.
nypost.com
fast ed
22lr
nowhere does it say that when a firearm is left in a vehicle that it must be tethered to the vehice, just inside a case.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
“No shirt, no shoes, no guns, no service.”
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
Q: When I am traveling to hunt by car, how do I need to store my firearm? A: If you are going to leave your gun unattended in your vehicle, it must be locked in a fire, impact, and tamper resistant storage container and hidden from view. Any plastic or aluminum, lockable, hard-sided, gun case or safe will suffice for this purpose. If an adult remains with the vehicle to ensure security, a case or safe is not required. To prevent theft and ensure safety, we recommend always securing your firearms during transport. Local rules for traveling with firearms also apply and may be more restrictive. For example, New York City requires that all guns be unloaded, in a case, and out of sight, even when you are with the vehicle.
Cavalry
.308 Win
So its ok to leave you pistol with someone that does not have a permit as long as they are an adult? What if they are are a otherwise prohibited person? Is that OK? I swear, they just spout stupidity on top of stupidity.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
No argument here!! This is also a good one...
it must be locked in a fire, impact, and tamper resistant storage container and hidden from view. Any plastic or aluminum, lockable, hard-sided, gun case or safe will suffice for this purpose.
A fire, impact, and tamper resistant can be plastic..
That_FNG
.308 Win
But steel is not ok apparently
2WheelGnnr
6.5 Creedmoor
As Ive heard on here many times...CONCEALED IS CONCEALED....and all she cant make EVERYWHERE A save place can she!!!! she probably already did...
I can wait to get out of here.........
They LOVE to make laws in NY to "Keep you SAFE"
I can wait to get out of here.........
They LOVE to make laws in NY to "Keep you SAFE"
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
No they will not ignore.. The DA will gleefully convict you and send you to a year + in prison. They have emptied out the prisons for a reason. Democrats say we are terrorists ... Total disarmament is the goal. They are trying to make everything one does a Felony