Buying Ammo Online and Having It Shipped to Your House

[Celt]

But there's no specific language there about the shipping. Why couldn't an online FFL just access the database and then ship? See what I mean?

There's other sections of the law that require the purchaser to prevent ID to the seller so that a background check can be performed. So it would have to be a face-to-face transaction with the seller for the purpose of conducting the background check.

 

[eagleridge357]

What I have learned from this thread is that none of you are certain just what this section means. It can be read to mean that the background check and the face to face transfer are two distinct actions. It may be interpreted to mean that even though the database is not established, the face to face through an FFL is still an enforceable part of the law. This makes perfect sense. Besides, you guys here are not the ones who interpret the law. The law is written and yes it is ambiguous, resting on the contingency of the database, but it may be interpreted to suit the authorities. That is my entire point. I do understand the position which states that the section is invalid and therefore unenforcable, I just do not agree with that view and will adhere to what is written. Capice?

 

[Celt]

Thats cool er, ill adhere to what is written and have it shipped to my house when I want it.

Which by the way, is exactly why there are still retailers that will ship.

 

[Marine Cpl]

What I have learned from this thread is that none of you are certain just what this section means. It can be read to mean that the background check and the face to face transfer are two distinct actions. It may be interpreted to mean that even though the database is not established, the face to face through an FFL is still an enforceable part of the law. This makes perfect sense. Besides, you guys here are not the ones who interpret the law. The law is written and yes it is ambiguous, resting on the contingency of the database, but it may be interpreted to suit the authorities. That is my entire point. I do understand the position which states that the section is invalid and therefore unenforcable, I just do not agree with that view and will adhere to what is written. Capice?

I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion. It's written in plain english with no need for interpretation.

NO COMMERCIAL TRANSFER OF AMMUNITION SHALL TAKE PLACE UNLESS A LICENSED DEALER IN FIREARMS OR REGISTERED SELLER OF AMMUNITION ACTS AS AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE TRANSFEROR AND THE ULTIMATE TRANSFEREE OF THE AMMUNITION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTACTING THE STATEWIDE LICENSE AND RECORD DATABASE PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION.

 

[MikeyCNY]

What I have learned from this thread is that none of you are certain just what this section means. It can be read to mean that the background check and the face to face transfer are two distinct actions. It may be interpreted to mean that even though the database is not established, the face to face through an FFL is still an enforceable part of the law. This makes perfect sense. Besides, you guys here are not the ones who interpret the law. The law is written and yes it is ambiguous, resting on the contingency of the database, but it may be interpreted to suit the authorities. That is my entire point. I do understand the position which states that the section is invalid and therefore unenforcable, I just do not agree with that view and will adhere to what is written. Capice?

The entire law is ambiguous. What constitutes a pistol grip, what constitutes fixed mag.. As an FFL you would rather err on the side of caution, which is certainly your prerogative.

EDIT: What does 'transfer' mean? If I'm at the range with a friend and loan him some rounds, is that transferring?

 

[4excal]

I refuse to pay anyone to accept an order for me. Thats like burning money.

Specially when it can come to your door and free shipping if you get enough!

 

[4excal]

Such a popular topic you guys don't get enough of this

Horsey time!!!!

 

[eagleridge357]

So you are going to charge me $5,000 on this? 100,000 ROUNDS OF 223/5.56

Where did you learn math? Common Core? Check your numbers and sit in the corner for an hour without speaking.

 

[4excal]

Soooo....Nothing more from the O/P. Did we scare him off or was he just trolling? We are so easily trolled, lol.

May have been a valid question for someone that probably didn't use the search field OR all kings "dead beaten horses" and all kings men scared him away??

 

[eagleridge357]

The entire law is ambiguous. What constitutes a pistol grip, what constitutes fixed mag.. As an FFL you would rather err on the side of caution, which is certainly your prerogative.

EDIT: What does 'transfer' mean? If I'm at the range with a friend and loan him some rounds, is that transferring?

Which is precisely why this section of law cannot be interpreted in only one unambiguous way. MY ENTIRE POINT.

 

[reinhardt]

To me the problem is one of choice. Many online retailers will ship to an ffl holder only. This limits our ability to get the best price. I buy a lot of 30-06 for my Garand. It's a pretty expensive round. So having very few online retailers willing to ship directly to me increases my cost to enjoy this hobby.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Is $69.60 a good price for 200 rounds of 158gr fmj .357 ammo?

 

[Podmonkey]

Is $69.60 a good price for 200 rounds of 158gr fmj .357 ammo?

Not really

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Not really

Too late, lol.

 

[Airborneguy]

There's other sections of the law that require the purchaser to prevent ID to the seller so that a background check can be performed. So it would have to be a face-to-face transaction with the seller for the purpose of conducting the background check.

Does it? There's sites out there that accept a copy of my ID to ship mags. No reason an ammo dealer couldn't do the same thing.

 

[spat]

What I have learned from this thread is that none of you are certain just what this section means. It can be read to mean that the background check and the face to face transfer are two distinct actions. It may be interpreted to mean that even though the database is not established, the face to face through an FFL is still an enforceable part of the law. This makes perfect sense. Besides, you guys here are not the ones who interpret the law. The law is written and yes it is ambiguous, resting on the contingency of the database, but it may be interpreted to suit the authorities. That is my entire point. I do understand the position which states that the section is invalid and therefore unenforcable, I just do not agree with that view and will adhere to what is written. Capice?

You seem to be in the minority in believing that is what the section says.

You have no official source that indicates that your interpretation is correct, or that the rest of us are incorrect.

I fail to see how your "the law is the law until you change it" approach applies here. These arent people saying "FUAC, I'll never register my AR", these people have every intention of following the law as written, and just dont think it says what you think it says.

 

[Podmonkey]

Anybody here like 9mm HSTs? I've been toying with converting my 124gr stock to 147gr. I'd sell em at cost.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Anybody here like 9mm HSTs? I've been toying with converting my 124gr stock to 147gr. I'd sell em at cost.

Sorry, what are "HSTs"?

 

[4excal]

Sorry, what are "HSTs"?

Hornady steel tips?!
Nah I'm just bustin, idk either lol

 

[GOYABEAN]

#110

 

[Podmonkey]

Sorry, what are "HSTs"?

Best defensive ammo there is.

 

[4excal]

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Best defensive ammo there is.

Verrrrry tacticoool indeed!

 

[MikeyCNY]

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Best defensive ammo there is.

They say Law Enforcement AND Tactical.. no go for us Civvies. (sarc)

 

[Podmonkey]

Verrrrry tacticoool indeed!

FBI likes it. It's done well in every gel test I've seen. It shoots accurate and clean.

 

[Celt]

Does it? There's sites out there that accept a copy of my ID to ship mags. No reason an ammo dealer couldn't do the same thing.

Iirc, this Bs Law States face to face in it, but I would have to double-check that.

Edit: I just found the section of the law I was talking about.

. NO COMMERCIAL TRANSFER OF AMMUNITION SHALL TAKE PLACE UNLESS A
15 LICENSED DEALER IN FIREARMS OR REGISTERED SELLER OF AMMUNITION ACTS AS
16 AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE TRANSFEROR AND THE ULTIMATE TRANSFEREE OF
17 THE AMMUNITION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTACTING THE STATEWIDE LICENSE AND
18 RECORD DATABASE PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. SUCH TRANSFER BETWEEN THE
19 DEALER OR SELLER, AND TRANSFEREE MUST OCCUR IN PERSON.

 

[Gunright]

Where did you learn math? Common Core? Check your numbers and sit in the corner for an hour without speaking.

Oh, I forgot to mention I was buying 5 of them.

 

[Airborneguy]

Iirc, this Bs Law States face to face in it, but I would have to double-check that.

Edit: I just found the section of the law I was talking about.

. NO COMMERCIAL TRANSFER OF AMMUNITION SHALL TAKE PLACE UNLESS A
15 LICENSED DEALER IN FIREARMS OR REGISTERED SELLER OF AMMUNITION ACTS AS
16 AN INTERMEDIARY BETWEEN THE TRANSFEROR AND THE ULTIMATE TRANSFEREE OF
17 THE AMMUNITION FOR THE PURPOSES OF CONTACTING THE STATEWIDE LICENSE AND
18 RECORD DATABASE PURSUANT TO THIS SECTION. SUCH TRANSFER BETWEEN THE
19 DEALER OR SELLER, AND TRANSFEREE MUST OCCUR IN PERSON.

Hmm. That's a problem then.

But either way, like you said, none of it is in effect currently because the establishment of the database triggers the rest of the law.

 

[togmaster]

This shit be crazy.

 

[Dr. Evil]

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Best defensive ammo there is.

What I carry but 147 grain.

 

[Frankly]

Soooo....Nothing more from the O/P. Did we scare him off or was he just trolling? We are so easily trolled, lol.

IDK maybe he was a journalist writing about sane, responsible gun owners?