New Whitehouse.gov Petition - Pres. Trump, please give us a legitimate 9/11 Investigation

[Jackrabbit]

Hi New Yorkers!

While I am a fellow responsible firearm owner and enthusiast, I am actually not here to discuss guns on this present visit.

I'm here today because we are trying to rally support for a new WhiteHouse.gov petition asking President Trump to initiate a legitimate, impartial investigation into the events of 9/11. Letters were sent to over a dozen 9/11 Truther organizations this evening, and a Youtube campaign will be initialized over the next few days.

This petition will force the White House to consider this request if we can collect 100,000 signatures in 30 days. If we do so, the White House will issue a response to this petition. I know a significant percentage of the American people, and a good number of people abroad, feel that the circumstances surrounding 9/11 have never been properly investigated and much has been concealed.

Please consider signing this petition and sharing with others. Our voice will only be heard if we work together. The petition link is here:

Reopen an investigation into the events of 9/11 and deliver justice for American 9/11 victims. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government

And the open letter to President Trump is here:

Open Letter and Petition to President Trump: Please Give Us a Legitimate Impartial 9/11 Investigation (Please Sign Petition Below!)

God bless you all, and God bless America.

Sincerely, Jon States

 

[cgrutt]

I traveled through WTC on morning of 9/11 and witnessed the aftermath of the destruction caused by two jets impacting the towers from my office just across the river in Brooklyn. Lost one of my best friends and seven other associates that I had previously worked with. God rest their souls and all the souls of those who perished on that dreadful day. 9/11 changed me in so many ways for good or bad I don't know. One thing I'm quite sure of is this catastrophe wasn't caused by a US Government conspiracy it was caused by Radical Islamic Terrorism. Amazing how long molten steel from two fallen towers burns and the conditions it creates in surrounding areas. Just saying...

 

[Jackrabbit]

I traveled through WTC on morning of 9/11 and witnessed the aftermath of the destruction caused by two jets impacting the towers from my office just across the river in Brooklyn. Lost one of my best friends and seven other associates that I had previously worked with. God rest their souls and all the souls of those who perished on that dreadful day. 9/11 changed me in so many ways for good or bad I don't know. One thing I'm quite sure of is this catastrophe wasn't caused by a US Government conspiracy it was caused by Radical Islamic Terrorism. Amazing how long molten steel from two fallen towers burns and the conditions it creates in surrounding areas. Just saying...

For ten years I too believed the consensus account of the 9/11 events, until I started reading about WTC Building 7, which was also completely destroyed on 9/11 but never was hit by a plane like the towers were. I don't know if there was a government conspiracy, but I know we were never told the whole truth. For example, Flight 93 had multiple debris fields and broke up in midair after a fireball explosion seen by witnesses. Witnesses also reported their power being interrupted prior to the fireball, which is evidence of a radar pulse emitted by a fighter jet prior to a missile launch. It is a near certainty from the evidence that Flight 93 was shot down by an Air National Guard fighter, but we were told a fiction: that the passengers crashed the flight. There are literally hundreds of inconsistencies in the official story. I would recommend watching some of the Architects and Engineers for 9/11 Truth documentaries on YouTube if you haven't already.

There are literally dozens if not hundreds of petitions for more scrutiny into the events of 9/11, with easily tens of thousands of signatures. We are simply trying to coordinate and compile the efforts of numerous organizations with this latest petition.

 

[Darth]

I can't facepalm hard enough.

And yes, WTC 7 WAS hit.

Radar pulse, AYFKM!?

As for the ridiculous "petitions", that's called an appeal to majority fallacy. Completely nonsensical. The majority voted for Clinton too.
"Loose Change" was one of my favorite 9/11 farces. Not only scientifically debunked, but anyone with a cursory understanding of physics was rolling throughout the whole thing.

This crap hurts our side. And before we even get to the "big government shill" stage, I actually am on board with some Sandy Hook conspiracy claims. Everyone on here knows me, that big government loving character!

I think my biggest problem with "truthers" is that even when proven factually wrong, they never admit it. They gloss over it, and move to another point, as if their argument is getting stronger, when the opposite is happening.

It's intellectually dishonest.

 

[Jackrabbit]

I can't facepalm hard enough.

And yes, WTC 7 WAS hit.

Radar pulse, AYFKM!?

As for the ridiculous "petitions", that's called an appeal to majority fallacy. Completely nonsensical. The majority voted for Clinton too.
"Loose Change" was one of my favorite 9/11 farces. Not only scientifically debunked, but anyone with a cursory understanding of physics was rolling throughout the whole thing.

This crap hurts our side. And before we even get to the "big government shill" stage, I actually am on board with some Sandy Hook conspiracy claims. Everyone on here knows me, that big government loving character!

I think my biggest problem with "truthers" is that even when proven factually wrong, they never admit it. They gloss over it, and move to another point, as if their argument is getting stronger, when the opposite is happening.

It's intellectually dishonest.

No, the majority fallacy would be assuming that if the majority believes something, that it is fact. This petition simply states that the whole truth about 9/11 has never been divulged to the public, and the petition requests a new legitimate investigation into those events. No specific so-called "conspiracy theory" is proposed by this petition.

In the normal course of a plane crash, the NTSB collects all the wreckage and completely reconstructs everything in a hangar, a process sometimes taking years where every minute scrap is put into place and every possible data point is collected in order to better reconstruct the events of the crash.

No such investigation ever occurred with 9/11; in fact within weeks tons of structural steel were being removed from the site and sold to China for scrap. This was a blatant and criminal destruction of evidence. If we "knew" that terrorists were behind the attacks, then if anything a MORE complete investigation than the usual should have been initiated.

I could spend all day arguing with you Darth, but it is clear you are not open-minded about this. Someone close to me recently took the same approach, she simply would not even consider the evidence, simply saying "That's ridiculous" and walking away. It takes courage to follow the evidence without preconceptions, to whatever conclusion that may lead.

For those of you on the fence about this petition, I would like to say a few more things. There are dozens of 9/11 truther organizations, and many citizens with doubts about the official story (Opinion polls about 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia). Many of these organization have started their own petitions, but they are all separate and scattered. For example, ReThink911 has collected over 22,000 signatures. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, another 20,000. This new petition requires only 100,000 signatures to evoke an official White House acknowledgement and response. If the American people want truth about 9/11, this may be our last chance to get it.

I challenge those of you who buy into the official story as well. Look at the petition; it simply asks for a legitimate investigation. If the official story is true, a legitimate investigation would put to rest all the conspiracy theories once and for all. You shouldn't have any reason NOT to sign it. Think about it.

 

[stuck in ny]

Even the dems now admit there are no "moderate rebels". The Neocons hate eastern Europe so much that they will fall in with anyone whose interests align - Bin Laden, Pinochet, Pol Pot, ANYONE no mater how sick. And now isis. I wouldn't put a "burn- your- own- Reichstag" routine past them.
Democrat says Syrians told her the truth about ‘moderate rebels’ in secret meeting with Assad

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I could spend all day arguing with you Darth, but it is clear you are not open-minded about this. Someone close to me recently took the same approach, she simply would not even consider the evidence, simply saying "That's ridiculous" and walking away. It takes courage to follow the evidence without preconceptions, to whatever conclusion that may lead.

There is a fine line between open mindedness and gullibility. To me it's a bit ironic that you are touting "evidence" of what happened that day while simultaneously asking for signatures for a petition to more thoroughly investigate the event. You already have your mind made up. It's just confirmation bias at this point. Besides we still have to get the petition to ban the nfa out of the way first

 

[Jackrabbit]

There is a fine line between open mindedness and gullibility. To me it's a bit ironic that you are touting "evidence" of what happened that day while simultaneously asking for signatures for a petition to more thoroughly investigate the event. You already have your mind made up. It's just confirmation bias at this point. Besides we still have to get the petition to ban the nfa out of the way first

A fair point. I should clarify that I do not subscribe to any particular conspiracy theory, in my mind the "evidence" simply demonstrates (quite clearly) that the public has been largely told a fairy tale concerning the 9/11 events.

Best of luck with the NFA petition!

If you mean this one: Repeal the NFA | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government then I'm popping over to sign it now.

 

[Dr. Evil]

IMHO there are other things Trump needs to spend his time changing/fixing. I haven't looked into this circumstance but feel that he needs to get more time under his belt. I can't imagine the conspiracy cries that would come from the left if he put any attention towards this since they are basically saying he is unstable just after a couple of weeks. Not that I give a crap what the dems think or say about him. I am merely saying pick your battles wisely.

 

[Magnus]

Finally! Someone brought up the conspiracy video full of paid actors, engineers and architects!

Tower 1 came in at 500K Tons to be able to resist strong hurricanes, on top of that it used gravity to secure itself. It was also designed to be able to shift loads if columns collapsed. Each floor was supported by angle clips. The impact was enough to bring the top floor down causing a domino effect, more load on the next floor than could be supported. The black smoke from the improperly burned jet fuel. Science explains it all! No controlled demolition, the engineers just didnt want a skyscraper toppling over on other buildings.

You need to bring big evidence out before people sign your petition.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Cuomo first!

 

[Jackrabbit]

Finally! Someone brought up the conspiracy video full of paid actors, engineers and architects!

Tower 1 came in at 500K Tons to be able to resist strong hurricanes, on top of that it used gravity to secure itself. It was also designed to be able to shift loads if columns collapsed. Each floor was supported by angle clips. The impact was enough to bring the top floor down causing a domino effect, more load on the next floor than could be supported. The black smoke from the improperly burned jet fuel. Science explains it all! No controlled demolition, the engineers just didnt want a skyscraper toppling over on other buildings.

You need to bring big evidence out before people sign your petition.

Big evidence... like Building 7, the third tower that went down without being hit by a plane at all?

Anyways, I have said my piece here, I think. My job isn't really to convince the sheeple, but to unite those who are awake and alive.

 

[Phauxtoe]

i just caved in my own face from the Extreme Face palms!

could the debris from two giant building falling PERHAPS damage a third very close building, that also happen to have a Large cache of diesel fuel in it?
I could see the towers from my office, and have two close friends who saw both Impact from very close proximity.
it actually happened, i saw them burn and Fall with my own eyes!

(you are either With me, or you are With Rosie ODonnell!)

 

[capitalcrew]

<3 u Darth.

 

[Magnus]

Big evidence... like Building 7, the third tower that went down without being hit by a plane at all?

Anyways, I have said my piece here, I think. My job isn't really to convince the sheeple, but to unite those who are awake and alive.

FIYAH! Unlike the two towers building 7 had a regular design not able to withstand high heat transfer to the supporting members. Thus, it collapsed. The culprit? fast burning fancy furniture and a sprinkler system dependent on the two towers.

Its not nice to call us sheeple, youre a baaahhh hahhh hahhh aaad man.

 

[wizrd]

Yer gonna need a tin foil hat! Want me to make you one of these?

 

[Robin]

Jon States opens his letter with, "While I am a fellow responsible firearm owner and enthusiast, I am actually not here to discuss guns on this present visit." Would anyone like to bet that depending on the forum his opener would be, While I share your feelings on the need for more gun control ......................................

Got bless the families and friends of those that were murdered that day.
Robin

 

[Jackrabbit]

Jon States opens his letter with, "While I am a fellow responsible firearm owner and enthusiast, I am actually not here to discuss guns on this present visit." Would anyone like to bet that depending on the forum his opener would be, While I share your feelings on the need for more gun control ......................................

Got bless the families and friends of those that were murdered that day.
Robin

Funny, that first bit. I did not intend to return here but I can't let that particular insinuation slide, though I can't fault you for being skeptical since you don't know me. Actually Robin, the only forums I have posted on that are off the 9/11 topic are firearms forums, because my fellow firearms owners here in my social circles are responsible citizens and take every word that the government dishes out with two grains of salt. I don't intend to do much more awareness campaigning on off-topic sites however, since a lot of gun sites are very inflexible with their posting rules and even in general topics forum areas my posts seem to get deleted on a rather depressingly regular basis.

So I at least thank you folks here for your hospitality, if not your support.

I own four firearms, Robin: a Ruger GP100 .357, an HK USP .40, a Saiga 5.56 (which likely you poor guys can't get up there, at least not with "real" mags), and a Mossberg 500 12-gauge. I am an avid hunter, target shooter, and outdoorsman. And I am not a two-faced snake as you imply.

 

[dsdmmat]

We should make a petition to take down the whitehouse petition site as it is a waste of electrons.

 

[C3D]

Go away crazy Troofers

 

[Robin]

Not implying anything, just say'n
robin

 

[meketrefe]

Everyone is welcome. I am just surprised people still believe on these things.
People buried and everyone trying to move on.
IMO for most folks there are things much more important in our personal and social lives right now.

 

[cgrutt]

Jon States opens his letter with, "While I am a fellow responsible firearm owner and enthusiast, I am actually not here to discuss guns on this present visit." Would anyone like to bet that depending on the forum his opener would be, While I share your feelings on the need for more gun control ...

Well, not exactly, LOL...

Whitehouse.gov Petition - Pres. Trump, give us a legitimate 9/11 Investigation - Women’s Gun Zone Forum and Community

I am a responsible firearm owner, and while admittedly not a woman, I do appreciate a gal who knows how to shoot.

BTW, just messing with you Jon, maybe make some posts about your shooting and get to know some of the forum members before soliciting new forums will result in more traction. Good luck.

 

[MoMan]

Big evidence... like Building 7, the third tower that went down without being hit by a plane at all?

Anyways, I have said my piece here, I think. My job isn't really to convince the sheeple, but to unite those who are awake and alive.

Did he seriously just call us "sheeple"??

Nice attempt at trolling.

Go away, now you're bothering me!!

 

[Mosinitis]

Why go into conspiracy theories. AlQaeda was created by the CIA and no one was held accountable for the damage it did to our country and the rest of the civilized world. Our government still had a relationship with AlQaeda after 9/11. Hopefully it is over now.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm one of the few that actually believe the plane over PA was shot down. I heard it on CBS radio minutes after it happened and then it was never spoken about again. I don't blame them one bit for doing it. Either a shoot down or a crash somewhere else where more lives are lost. Snowflakes wouldn't have been able to handle that do it was hushed.

Either way, it's time to move on. We have more important things to worry about.

Sandy Hook never happened.

 

[Robin]

Well, not exactly, LOL...

Whitehouse.gov Petition - Pres. Trump, give us a legitimate 9/11 Investigation - Women’s Gun Zone Forum and Community



BTW, just messing with you Jon, maybe make some posts about your shooting and get to know some of the forum members before soliciting new forums will result in more traction. Good luck.

Is there a truth to this event beyond what we have been told? I don't know and at this point neither does anyone else save those that may possess it, and are hiding it. I place the highest value in truth and if there is one beyond what we know I hope it comes to light, along with the truth about many events in the last eight years like sandy hook. I guess I am some what jaded when it comes to phone polls and internet petitions and who is behind them and what their motives truly are. If these guy's are on the up and up, good luck, that is my issue.
Robin

 

[Truebeliever]

No, the majority fallacy would be assuming that if the majority believes something, that it is fact. This petition simply states that the whole truth about 9/11 has never been divulged to the public, and the petition requests a new legitimate investigation into those events. No specific so-called "conspiracy theory" is proposed by this petition.

In the normal course of a plane crash, the NTSB collects all the wreckage and completely reconstructs everything in a hangar, a process sometimes taking years where every minute scrap is put into place and every possible data point is collected in order to better reconstruct the events of the crash.

No such investigation ever occurred with 9/11; in fact within weeks tons of structural steel were being removed from the site and sold to China for scrap. This was a blatant and criminal destruction of evidence. If we "knew" that terrorists were behind the attacks, then if anything a MORE complete investigation than the usual should have been initiated.

I could spend all day arguing with you Darth, but it is clear you are not open-minded about this. Someone close to me recently took the same approach, she simply would not even consider the evidence, simply saying "That's ridiculous" and walking away. It takes courage to follow the evidence without preconceptions, to whatever conclusion that may lead.

For those of you on the fence about this petition, I would like to say a few more things. There are dozens of 9/11 truther organizations, and many citizens with doubts about the official story (Opinion polls about 9/11 conspiracy theories - Wikipedia). Many of these organization have started their own petitions, but they are all separate and scattered. For example, ReThink911 has collected over 22,000 signatures. Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, another 20,000. This new petition requires only 100,000 signatures to evoke an official White House acknowledgement and response. If the American people want truth about 9/11, this may be our last chance to get it.

I challenge those of you who buy into the official story as well. Look at the petition; it simply asks for a legitimate investigation. If the official story is true, a legitimate investigation would put to rest all the conspiracy theories once and for all. You shouldn't have any reason NOT to sign it. Think about it.

A lot of what you say is incorrect.

The wreckage of the towers were taken to the Staten Island landfill and cops went thru that pile looking for evidence and human remains. A lot of cops coming down with the "trade center lung" and 9/11 cancers never went to ground zero. Ground zero came to them at the landfill.

As far as rebuilding? Do you think they were going to rebuild the building from the wreckage? Get real. Unlike most plane crashes, rescue efforts don't often destroy or alter the evidence. Have you seen a reconstruction of a building before? No. Even in arson scenes or explosions.

I can tell you that the conspiracy stuff is BS as to thinking something other than the jet fuel burning brought the towers down.
There have been "legit" investigations after investigation. Nothing will satisfy the conspiracy theorists.

And frankly, if the evidence was not preserved as you claim, an investigation now would serve no purpose.

 

[Truebeliever]

Big evidence... like Building 7, the third tower that went down without being hit by a plane at all?

Anyways, I have said my piece here, I think. My job isn't really to convince the sheeple, but to unite those who are awake and alive.

The buildings were interconnected. The fuel dropped down into the interconnected basement where the fire went to when the buildings collapsed.

How much explosive or fuel do you think it would take to bring down a building? Huh. People were in building 7 before it went on fire. Do you think someone could hide/bring in that much without being noticed?

Do you know how hot the ground was on the pile from the underground fire? It burned so long and hot that cremation occurred to almost all the bodies in the rubble.

And before you call us sheeple on this subject: many of us were there and not just watching it on TV. Some of us were on the pile, some of us were at the Staten Island landfill, shifting thru the rubble and finding/cataloging the evidence you claim wasn't done. Some of us have to go for the cancer screening every year. Some of us didn't have respirators and Whitman said the air was safe( it didn't matter what she said one way or the other-we weren't leaving ours behind)

Trust me when I tell you this. You literally had thousands of real detectives who worked on the pile, at the morgue, at the landfill, etc. They were there before the towers fell, during the collapse, and months after the towers came down. These were detectives and arson investigators who lost friends and loved ones. If there were more to it, they would have found it.

 

[capitalcrew]

Respect.