NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)

[Drinkthekoolaid]

When will the enforcers just say "fuck this shit, I see nothing".

There aren't enough who put the constitution, common sense and their moral compass ahead of a pension and paycheck.

Sure there are good cops out there who will, some on this forum in fact, but clearly not enough. If you have a run in with a random cop the odds are slim he's going to look the other way. It's more likely he's been conditioned and trained to think you're an enemy or imminent threat and need to be taken off the street before you can endanger society.

 

[spat]

There aren't enough who put the constitution, common sense and their moral compass ahead of a pension and paycheck.

Sure there are good cops out there who will, some on this forum in fact, but clearly not enough. If you have a run in with a random cop the odds are slim he's going to look the other way. It's more likely he's been conditioned and trained to think you're an enemy or imminent threat and need to be taken off the street before you can endanger society.

More like he's been conditioned that he has to follow orders no matter how much he disagrees with them.

Even most of the ones on this forum feel that way.

 

[Jmac00]

Big problem with the “ opt in” sign feature of the law. It turns Manhattan into a no gun zone. You can’t take mass transit .You can’t park at a parking garage unless it has a pro gun sign. Unless you have street parking in Manhattan ( good luck) , Manhattan is a gun free zone . And if the wording in the law isn’t right, Uber or a cab isn’t an option

you can't, but thousands of Law abiding citizens turn criminal, when they venture into enemy territory. If gang members ain't to worried, then why should you be

 

[Acer-m14]

There are a few that should do that for voting.

Oh, wait, that used to be common, and was ruled unconstitutional.

What we really need is penalties for politicians who violate rights. As it is now they can just keep passing BS forever and not care if it gets overturned, 'cause they have 10 more BS laws already in the pipeline to replace it.

Ideally, a tort would exist against the state for violating your rights to begin with. Every law that gets overturned should be followed by a massive class action suit.

Qualified Immunity needs to go for all

 

[subsonic]

The reports are that the legislature started meeting Thursday afternoon for a “one day session.” They are apparently still working through the night. No bills have been introduced, no texts are available, the work is not being live-streamed and the senate and assembly are “at-ease” while their leadership hashes out the language that they will introduce and pass without meaningful debate as soon as they decide it is “ready.” Obviously no chance for constituents to see much less object to the bill before it is passed. Probably no single legislator will have even had a chance to meaningfully read through the entire bills before voting. Probably most are asleep in their hotel or office waiting for a call.

This is how they do it in New York, in the dead of the night.

 

[Deplorable Me]

The reports are that the legislature started meeting Thursday afternoon for a “one day session.” They are apparently still working through the night. No bills have been introduced, no texts are available, the work is not being live-streamed and the senate and assembly are “at-ease” while their leadership hashes out the language that they will introduce and pass without meaningful debate as soon as they decide it is “ready.” Obviously no chance for constituents to see much less object to the bill before it is passed. Probably no single legislator will have even had a chance to meaningfully read through the entire bills before voting. Probably most are asleep in their hotel or office waiting for a call.

This is how they do it in New York, in the dead of the night.

No transparency by a bully government. Would you expect anything less? Can't wait fir hypocritical gun owning democratic lawmakers to get caught up in their own laws.

 

[Truebeliever]

The reports are that the legislature started meeting Thursday afternoon for a “one day session.” They are apparently still working through the night. No bills have been introduced, no texts are available, the work is not being live-streamed and the senate and assembly are “at-ease” while their leadership hashes out the language that they will introduce and pass without meaningful debate as soon as they decide it is “ready.” Obviously no chance for constituents to see much less object to the bill before it is passed. Probably no single legislator will have even had a chance to meaningfully read through the entire bills before voting. Probably most are asleep in their hotel or office waiting for a call.

This is how they do it in New York, in the dead of the night.

They will not get a chance to vote it down. Word is they will pass it as it’s written when it comes out. No debate or admendments . If there is a problem with the bill, they will fix it later like they did the SAFE act.
Why don’t they have the language down? They are trying not to be embarrassed like they were the last time. They also want some things to pass a court challenge. The language makes a difference on that.

 

[Grimscale]

Firearm storage requirements in homes and vehicles will also be strengthened under the new laws, which Hochul said will stand up to any additional legal challenges.

No it won't. This has already been addressed in a previous Supreme Court ruling.
She is deliberately going against what the Supreme Court has ruled, both recently and years ago. This is not the earmarks of a law-abiding politician. This is a tyrant through and through.
There is no "qualified immunity" for deliberately violating people's Rights.

 

[spat]

The reports are that the legislature started meeting Thursday afternoon for a “one day session.” They are apparently still working through the night. No bills have been introduced, no texts are available, the work is not being live-streamed and the senate and assembly are “at-ease” while their leadership hashes out the language that they will introduce and pass without meaningful debate as soon as they decide it is “ready.” Obviously no chance for constituents to see much less object to the bill before it is passed. Probably no single legislator will have even had a chance to meaningfully read through the entire bills before voting. Probably most are asleep in their hotel or office waiting for a call.

This is how they do it in New York, in the dead of the night.

That alone should invalidate anything they come up with.

And nobody who votes for it should be re-elected.

Imagine if those couple leaders were compromised and they turned it into a constitutional carry bill with a complete abortion ban.

Would be a good lesson for the "just vote how I'm told so I can keep my cushy job" representatives.

 

[gunpoliticsny]

Here's the draft of the bill.

 

[Grimscale]

Every law that gets overturned should be followed by a massive class action suit.

Every law that gets overturned should have Sheriffs declaring the politicians in question would face arrest if they enter that Sheriff's territory.

 

[Saltwater60]

No transparency by a bully government. Would you expect anything less? Can't wait fir hypocritical gun owning democratic lawmakers to get caught up in their own laws.

But Kathy says she’s transparent so some one here is wrong??

 

[Saltwater60]

No it won't. This has already been addressed in a previous Supreme Court ruling.
She is deliberately going against what the Supreme Court has ruled, both recently and years ago. This is not the earmarks of a law-abiding politician. This is a tyrant through and through.
There is no "qualified immunity" for deliberately violating people's Rights.

That’s because she knows something we don’t know. Maybe they plan to pack the court and overturn those rulings like the current justices did with Roe. That was a bad decision

 

[Edwardteach72]

Here's the draft of the bill.

Hey cool. A source. Thank you

 

[Grimscale]

That’s because she knows something we don’t know. Maybe they plan to pack the court and overturn those rulings like the current justices did with Roe. That was a bad decision

Fine. Let them.
They've already proven they will not follow the rule of law or the Constitution.
Once they pack the Court all bets are off. There is no longer any justification for their power. At that point they will be nothing more than leaders of a gang. They will have no other recourse than to start kidnapping Americans by force.
And once they do that it is civil war.

 

[redtail]

ugh. Now i understand why lawyers get paid to read such legal-ese bs. It's bad, and i'm only halfway through..

 

[BerettaGuy]

I was thinking about this same hypothetical situation this morning. It's like it's not even worth concealing in a place with no sign anymore if that's written in the law. And what good is it locked in a box in your car? No time to protect yourself with all the BS and it's too risky to just not comply, at least to me. This is exactly what the left wants. And all the while the criminals who already have multiple felonies are let out onto the streets -- and you can bet your bottom dollar they don't care about any gun law.

She did show her hand though.
She and the other Democrats in Albany are afraid of CCW holders who are the definition of "law-abiding". They are now spreading the fear among our "pride-filled"- elite, highly educated, tolerant, and well-mannered "shop keepers" that CCW holders are "dangerous" and she must keep them safe from CCW holders. I'm sorry, but the courts have ruled that Law Enforcement has no inherent duty to protect citizens. She is the top law enforcement officer in the state. Sorry, Kathy, your fear and loathing of gun owners are showing.

 

[whatupbo]

How can anyone read that thing? It’s all gibberish

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

The only positive step I can take based on all this so far is to have and display a hunting license at all times, in my case on my backpack. This will cover me if a trail I am on crosses from a 'forest' to a 'state park.'

 

[Cavalry]

Reading it now...Combing through your social media. Awesome. Why not check under the applicants bed while they are at it.

 

[Saltwater60]

The only positive step I can take based on all this so far is to have and display a hunting license at all times, in my case on my backpack. This will cover me if a trail I am on crosses from a 'forest' to a 'state park.'

Only if hunting is allowed there and only if the firearm you are carrying is legal to hunt with. Many parks by me only allow small game or waterfowl hunting so that certainly limits the time of year and what firearm can be carried.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This state sucks ass.


It's so frustrating. It's a gorgeous state and it could be such a nice place to live but the powers that be are hell-bent on punishing gun owners a d creatively making our lives as difficult as possible.

 

[Saltwater60]

I’m sure they have succeeded but this new crap makes me not want to be a gun owner anymore. I just bought two self defense pistols and I don’t know why I even bothered. I won’t legally be allowed to carry a gun anywhere I go most days. I will be able to carry pretty much for my walk around the neighborhood and that’s it, even then I’d better not step on a neighbor’s driveway or damn I’m a criminal.
This can’t stand.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

I’m sure they have succeeded but this new crap makes me not want to be a gun owner anymore. I just bought two self defense pistols and I don’t know why I even bothered. I won’t legally be allowed to carry a gun anywhere I go most days. I will be able to carry pretty much for my walk around the neighborhood and that’s it, even then I’d better not step on a neighbor’s driveway or damn I’m a criminal.
This can’t stand.

Don't think that way. Please. The human experience is filled with trials and tribulations. If I were born any earlier in history I would be dead by now (age early 60s). Each generation goes through their share of advances and setbacks. This is ours. Stay in the fight.

 

[whatupbo]

Did I read it say if you were issued a permit before 2022 you do not need the certificate of training? This thing is hard to read.

 

[redtail]

This state sucks ass.


It's so frustrating. It's a gorgeous state and it could be such a nice place to live but URBAN NYC DICKHEADS are hell-bent on punishing gun owners a d creatively making our lives as difficult as possible.

FIFY

 

[Nighttrain]

I have to wonder how many judges and sheriffs will refuse to enforce the new laws KH is pushing.

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Did I read it say if you were issued a permit before 2022 you do not need the certificate of training? This thing is hard to read.

Can't you find Section 4, Subsection (4) (u) (<) (K), Paragraph (m) (E), Sub Paragraph (H)(^)(r)(D), it's right there in dark gray on light gray.

 

[subsonic]

The Guardian reporting “Lawmakers had hoped to have a vote on Thursday but drafting the bills continued until shortly before 1.30am on Friday and was set to resume later in the day.”

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

The Guardian reporting “Lawmakers had hoped to have a vote on Thursday but drafting the bills continued until shortly before 1.30am on Friday and was set to resume later in the day.”

Which is nonsense. This crap was written months ago.