Yep, I have a good buddy that lives in PA (moved from long Island last year for political reasons). He keeps telling me about all his standard cap mags for rifles and handguns. Think I'll ask him tosend me some..
I'll send you some.
Former NYPD officer upset..
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I'll send you some.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I've pissed off people around the world. So that argument is fucking stupid.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I really couldn't careless if this poor LEO get a NYC permit or not, I'm never going to visit that crap hole and I'll be leaving the state in a few years anyway.
If the guy needs a gun that bad because of such a distinguished career, maybe he should think about moving to a freer state too
If the guy needs a gun that bad because of such a distinguished career, maybe he should think about moving to a freer state too
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Pissing people off on your own is much different than pissing people off because its your job for 30 yrs.Biggest difference is you cant get a PL for being belligerent.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Just to add to how bad we ALL have it, my brother just called me to tell me he got his PA license to carry today in a grand total of 5 min for $20 (5 years). I wish I did like him when I got out of the Army and just stayed away.
Mine took about 8 minutes. The delay must have been because I was out of state.
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JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
If you work for NYC and are injured in any way, on the job,off the job, the chief medical officer of your department decides if you can do the job. If the chief medical officer does not think you can do 85% of what is expected of you they will say that you are not fit for duty and may never be. This usually leads immediately to a medical exam by a board of 3 doctors who either concur or not. This decision only involves your ability to do the job of the budget line that you occupy. It is very different than deciding disability by Social Security standards. ( For the FDNY this could mean the doctor doesn't think you can rappel upside down from a burning apartment, or rescue carry an injured firefighter of similar bodyweight) If the 3 man board says you are disabled the commissioner/agency head for you department files your retirement paperwork pretty damn quick and your signature is not required. You will start your terminal leaves. You are on the path to retirement whether you want it or not. Your agency wants you off that budget line as quickly as possible so they can hire somebody new, sometimes at less money and not have to backfill your position with overtime. If you or the 3 man board believe your disability is related to a specific accident while you were working you will be examined by a board of 5 or 9 outside doctors (with armed guards present) who again determine if you are disabled as to your job title, if that disability is permanent, and make a recommendation to the 25 man board that decides if you are to be retired with a disability or ordinary pension.The 25 man board is weighted in the mayor's favor and has the final say as to your disposition. You might be able to land a light-duty job for 1 year or longer if you have special talents, are politically connected, or if your circumstances are particularly tragic or heroic. The higher you are in rank or seniority the harder it is to get a light duty job. You are a line in the budget, nothing more , nothing less. You will not be retired on line of duty disability for normal wear and tear. If you are a Sanitation man you will never be retired on disability for a bad back, nor a firefighter because you wheeze, or a cop because your fingers and toes are arthritic from 20 years of walking a beat in winter. If you have less than the normal retirement years for your agency when retired on disability you are income restricted and cannot make a certain percentage (10% ?) more than your disability payment, or you must pay back some of your disability payment. If retired on line of duty disability you are subject to a periodic review of you physical ability by the 5 or 9 doctor board. If you are found fit for duty and have more than the normal retirement years your pension will be changed to an ordinary retirement pension. If you are fit for duty and have less than the required years of service for a normal retirement you will be offered a return to duty in the lowest paid position your agency has open, no matter what your previous rank. If you refuse the assignment you will be processed for ordinary retirement with a effective date of your 20th anniversary of your original hiring date.
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
No but 25 years in the military and doing anti terrorism and force protection does.
Stick around you might actually learn something....if you listen.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Personally, I think it is disgusting that Law Enforcement can buy a gun on their badge in New York.
There should be no division.
Either make them get a permit or let people without CCW permits buy handguns. One or the other.
For those of you mocking him however:
MARK MY WORDS!
The day is coming when NY State will knock on your door to demand your guns because of something physical like eye surgery or a hip replacement or whatever excuse they dream up.
Yesterday it was a criminal conviction. We complied! Today it is an arrest! We compiled again Today it is what prescription you were given, we are complying. Tomorrow can you pass a physical.
Yeah! Thats right! But it is all a good idea for the children.
There should be no division.
Either make them get a permit or let people without CCW permits buy handguns. One or the other.
For those of you mocking him however:
MARK MY WORDS!
The day is coming when NY State will knock on your door to demand your guns because of something physical like eye surgery or a hip replacement or whatever excuse they dream up.
Yesterday it was a criminal conviction. We complied! Today it is an arrest! We compiled again Today it is what prescription you were given, we are complying. Tomorrow can you pass a physical.
Yeah! Thats right! But it is all a good idea for the children.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
If thats the truth then I agree,you should be able to carry after you retired,and thanks for your service.But it doesnt change anything about my original post which merely pointed out the reason LEO's are allowed to carry after retirement.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
What a about a cop that was behind a desk the vast majority of his career? Why should he be allowed to carry after retirement? What about the media relations officers? School resource officers, DARE officers ect. Maybe only certain officers should be allowed to carry. They don't all have equal risk levels in retirement. Seems ridiculous because it is. The reason you list for retired cops to carry is total shit not backed by the constitution. Shall not be infringed is not followed by if there is a perceived need. Everyone should be equal. Former military can't carry in the city. Many of them pissed off lots of really dangerous people. Former CIA officers can't even carry in the city without jumping through hoops and begging the dopes in the NYPD for permission. The risk to retired officers is a shit reason to have separate classes of citizens. What about the average joe that testified against a gang member? Or is going to testify. His life is in danger. Surely the royalty in the NYPD would approve his permit app.
Id like to see the statistics on how many cops are attacked by someone with a grudge.
Then compare that to the number of abused women who left their abuser, witnesses who testify, people in bad neighborhoods.....etc that are attacked.
I know several retired cops and none have even been threatened.
Just saying.
Then compare that to the number of abused women who left their abuser, witnesses who testify, people in bad neighborhoods.....etc that are attacked.
I know several retired cops and none have even been threatened.
Just saying.
Took me 15 mins. Now I feel gyped!
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
The good people in bad neighborhoods that can't even afford to apply in the city. I feel for them. Even if they could come up with the $ why just throw it away? The threat to retired cops seems to be inflated. I'm sure a google search could find a few but the number has to be low.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
You guys are funny.These are procedures or rules or whatever that were established a long time ago.You all scream about your rights being infringed,yet you seem to be okay if some other group is targeted for infringement.If they take away the LEO's guns,how much chance to you think anybody else will have?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It has been said already that if LEO's gun rights are taken away and made the same as ours, we will stand to benefit from their fight.
If the Unsafe Act affected them equally to us, would they enforce it?
stokes
.338 Win Mag
I'm out
Hate to tell you, and I don't mean this facetiously, but if the state took away my gun rights, I'd retire in 2 years and move, not fight. As it stands, I will be moving anyway as soon as I retire and have to follow Safe and go through hoops to buy handguns.
Screw that jazz.
Screw that jazz.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I watched it a few nights ago and then woke up to the news that Bill Paxton had died. Dammit.
I think it is funny how some are equating this guy getting his Permit to the SAFE Act. The two have NOTHING to do with each other. According to the PL as well as the CPL, a cops' badge IS his permit. Having a badge and Police ID are the same as the rest of society having a Pistol Permit. There is no difference. None! A copper goes into the store and shows his ID(Permit) and buys a gun. A regular, non cop, goes into the same store to buy a gun he shows his permit. It is the same exact thing. All handguns are reported back to the State.
The Copper has already gone through all of the same checks (more) then the guy that got a permit.
This guy is being railroaded by the State, the city and his department.
ALL of us should be angry at the injustice. Cop or not, he is being refused his permit; some here are glad about that?
Real team players, this is the reason why ALL gun owners in NY are losing Rights!!!!!
The Copper has already gone through all of the same checks (more) then the guy that got a permit.
This guy is being railroaded by the State, the city and his department.
ALL of us should be angry at the injustice. Cop or not, he is being refused his permit; some here are glad about that?
Real team players, this is the reason why ALL gun owners in NY are losing Rights!!!!!
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
Leo's are the ones not being team players. I bet most of the cops in the city don't want people getting permits. They are team players as long as the team is other cops. This is not why all gun owners are losing rights. Cops are covered by LEOSA right? Wanting equal treatment for all is not a bad thing. I honestly believe if retired cops had to deal with the same shit others did things would change for everyone (in a good way nationwide). They have a powerful voice and would use it. Cops don't fight for the rights of others form the most part. Some do but most will go along their way happy as long as they can carry. Sorry to say this but many have a superiority complex. They truly believe they are above others. You can still buy evil rifles that have zero to do with your leo employment. What rights have LEO's lost again?
As for this guy getting railroaded.... no more than anyone else in the city. They are saying being denied a permit is "treating him like a common criminal". So does that mean the NYPD is treating everyone they deny like criminals? I think so. I don't want him to not get a permit. I just want everyone there to have the same opportunity to exercise their rights. Once a cop gets his he's out of the fight and most don't care about the average joe in NYC. Again, I feel if they were not given special treatment they would change things. Since they are my theory will never be tested.
You are mixing too many things into one. Some of what you typed has nothing to do we th others.
By the way, no one cares about retirees. The unions very, very rarely advocate on retiree issues.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's all true though.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I think a potential powerful nationwide 2a ally is gone by granting cops (active or retired) special rights. It's a theory of course, but I think they have the numbers and political pull to change things for the better if they were not given special rights. If they had to play be everyone else's rules we might have nation wide carry. Of course it's not the cops or unions jobs to fight for everyone. I understand that also. That's the cliff notes version.
What special Rights? In regards to Pistol Permits. That is what this story is about. In regards to PP, what do cops have that the rest of society does not?
BTW, I would love to see all Coppers on board with the 2A fight. You need to understand, many cops do not care one way or another. To many of them, a gun is only a tool that they wear to work. No different to them than a set of cuffs or a flashlight.
Many do not care either way, no thoughts at all.
Those on the job that do care about the 2A like we do, are side by side in this fight.
So many fight the abuses more than non cops.
Many do not care either way, no thoughts at all.
Those on the job that do care about the 2A like we do, are side by side in this fight.
So many fight the abuses more than non cops.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
The ability to get one in NYC.