Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Saltwater60]

Last time I flew it was out of a very small regional airport: early morning, first thing I do is tell the Ticket Agent "I need a Firearms Declaration" She takes our Bags and I figured they'd changed things around, so I handed them over....ten minutes later a TSA Agent is asking "Do you know you have a Firearm in your Luggage?" Yes, First thing I did was state that I had one and needed a Firearms Declaration...checked with the Agent, and she admitted to forgetting about it. TSA agent to me: "Well we'll let it go this time, but you have to declare you have a gun." ...OK
Yea, no shit, it wasn't MY fuck up. Being such a small Airport in my area. I knew at least one of the TSA guys and recognized another having been in the Gun Shop.

Come to think of it, the last few times I flew out of Syracuse they didn't call for SPD to check my Licenses...I think the powers that be got tired of fucking over Soldiers going back home and taking their handguns with them, having come to Ft. Drum not knowing about NY's draconian and discriminatory handgun laws.

I was surprised when I didn’t see a TSA agent. The lady in Buffalo wanted me to take the gun out and show her my gun. I told her there was a safety flag in it and as soon as I put the key in the box she said that’s ok. She seemed scared to death. I arrived at my destination and I had to show my DL license to get my bag. I signed the form saying it was uploaded.
On the return same just sign this and she asked about the ammo. I told her it was all in original boxes and a few boxes. She handed me the form to sign and zipped it back up. When I arrived in Buffalo nothing at all. I went over to get the bag and the office was closed. As soon as I saw that I said they are going to dump it on the carousel. Bag had a tag on it saying do t put it on the carousel and as soon as I got back to the carousel my bag was coming down it. I checked the case prior to leaving to make sure the gun was in there and it was. I wasn’t happy they did this because the bag was identified as having a gun in it if anyone was paying attention or knew what the tag was about.

 

[FP1201]

I was surprised when I didn’t see a TSA agent. The lady in Buffalo wanted me to take the gun out and show her my gun. I told her there was a safety flag in it and as soon as I put the key in the box she said that’s ok. She seemed scared to death. I arrived at my destination and I had to show my DL license to get my bag. I signed the form saying it was uploaded.
On the return same just sign this and she asked about the ammo. I told her it was all in original boxes and a few boxes. She handed me the form to sign and zipped it back up. When I arrived in Buffalo nothing at all. I went over to get the bag and the office was closed. As soon as I saw that I said they are going to dump it on the carousel. Bag had a tag on it saying do t put it on the carousel and as soon as I got back to the carousel my bag was coming down it. I checked the case prior to leaving to make sure the gun was in there and it was. I wasn’t happy they did this because the bag was identified as having a gun in it if anyone was paying attention or knew what the tag was about.

Sounds the same as previous experiences.
TSA X-rays bags before being loaded into Aircraft, same as carry on Bags, we typically don't see them scanning luggage.

 

[Beerman]

beg to differ ..


the diamond is still on UPS site on how to ship .. and what you can ship ..

How To Ship Ammunition | UPS - United States

Key considerations from UPS to keep in mind when packaging and shipping ammunition for firearms.

www.ups.com

Some easy reading for you. Have a nice day!

 

[2WheelGnnr]

FYI dont plan to take a firearm with me...Just buying ammo in GA and flying back home with it.....

I should get some more shotgun slugs..thats all i really need or should get at this point.

I appreciate all the info... went to tsa site and say just what you all are saying. They did say in a locked case but I see some of you had not had to do that...But I will since thats what the letter of the law says....

Thanks!!!

 

[Saltwater60]

FYI dont plan to take a firearm with me...Just buying ammo in GA and flying back home with it.....

I should get some more shotgun slugs..thats all i really need or should get at this point.

I appreciate all the info... went to tsa site and say just what you all are saying. They did say in a locked case but I see some of you had not had to do that...But I will since thats what the letter of the law says....

Thanks!!!

I had no issue and it was all in original packaging outside of my lock box. Only my gun and mags(empty) were in the lockbox.

 

[Robin]

Tomorrow will be 30 days "under review" unless they only count business days.
Robin

 

[S&W Fan]

Tomorrow will be 30 days "under review" unless they only count business days.
Robin

WTF !
FUKH

 

[Saltwater60]

Tomorrow will be 30 days "under review" unless they only count business days.
Robin

For a gun or a bullet?

 

[Acer-m14]

Some easy reading for you. Have a nice day!

Ok so its just a different Sticker now ... nothing more or less ..

 

[Robin]

For a gun or a bullet?

A gun, a replica of the first revolver Colt converted to cartridges using a 1860 Army cap and ball, and probably the last gun this old man will ever buy. The shop owner says after thirty days he has to resubmit, and if after three days if there is no answer he can complete the purchase and give me the gun that I have already paid for a month ago. This is all done through the state, his access to the federal NICS is blocked by the state and he has to use the state system.
It is not right right but what can a man do. I was going to call my district Rep., but it seems there has been some sort of turmoil unknown to me and she has resigned. Probably wouldn't have helped but at least I had someone to represent me.
If I were a younger man and not so embedded here, I would move, no question, even though I truly love where I live.
Robin

 

[Saltwater60]

A gun, a replica of the first revolver Colt converted to cartridges using a 1860 Army cap and ball, and probably the last gun this old man will ever buy. The shop owner says after thirty days he has to resubmit, and if after three days if there is no answer he can complete the purchase and give me the gun that I have already paid for a month ago. This is all done through the state, his access to the federal NICS is blocked by the state and he has to use the state system.
It is not right right but what can a man do. I was going to call my district Rep., but it seems there has been some sort of turmoil unknown to me and she has resigned. Probably wouldn't have helped but at least I had someone to represent me.
If I were a younger man and not so embedded here, I would move, no question, even though I truly love where I live.
Robin

That’s crazy. I’m surprised they are allowed to proceed after the resubmissions and only three days. That’s been a question or grey area in the past. I hope you get it and it’s crazy about the delay. I’m assuming you have no clue why and have you bought a gun since the NYSP took over the background checks?

 

[Vinson57]

The ammo background system should deny ammo for pistol caliber ammo when you do not have a license or that caliber registered. This would end the straw purchasers. Owners of pistol caliber rifles can just register them with the state to clear the problem.

Ammo should be denied to any person who address is also coincides with the address of a known felon.

Ammo should be denied to anyone who signs up for medical marijuana.

Denials should be looked at for arrest when its proven they are prohibited but too stupid to know or thought they would get away with it.

Ammo denials also should be used to initiate search warrants as it implies ownership of an illegal weapon.

Ammo denial appeals should have a requirement to disclose the weapon type and serial number the ammo was required for.

Otherwise get rid of this bullshit system. Not doing stuff like I listed means its just to fuck with the law abiding. Also doing these things will help when court cases reach the Supreme Court and they need examples of pure tyranny.

So are they doing this in secret?

 

[Robin]

That’s crazy. I’m surprised they are allowed to proceed after the resubmissions and only three days. That’s been a question or grey area in the past. I hope you get it and it’s crazy about the delay. I’m assuming you have no clue why and have you bought a gun since the NYSP took over the background checks?

The only "clue" I have come up with is that I am a member here, though I have always believed they monitor this sight, Doc confirmed that they not only monitor the site, but can find out who you are.
First gun since the unlawful takeover of the system.
Robin

 

[REF]

I have a UPIN and I’m delayed from 3-24 hours every time I’ve bought a new gun (3 times) since this bullshit started. Before that, proceed in 2 seconds. For ammo, I wouldn’t know because I refuse to buy it here, fyi. YMMV

 

[REF]

That’s crazy. I’m surprised they are allowed to proceed after the resubmissions and only three days. That’s been a question or grey area in the past. I hope you get it and it’s crazy about the delay. I’m assuming you have no clue why and have you bought a gun since the NYSP took over the background checks?

The gun store I frequent does the same. They just told me an ex LEO with a CCL was “under review “ for 30 days, resubmitted, “under review” for another 3 days so they let him complete the transaction. They tell me that it satisfies “the state”.

 

[CaliberPlus]

The ammo background system should deny ammo for pistol caliber ammo when you do not have a license or that caliber registered. This would end the straw purchasers. Owners of pistol caliber rifles can just register them with the state to clear the problem.

Really?? How many rifles shoot "pistol caliber"? There should be NO, NONE, NOTTA any checks on ammo. Yah, register pistol caliber rifles, another registry, are you for real??? That is what this is all about, a database, aka registry.

Many years ago I went to purchase 9mm for hubs. I was at a big box and was denied because I did not have a "license". Another illegal registry in this damned state. I think we are immune to the registry for handguns and now we have this bs.

For a lot of reasons I won't go into, I have not closed, yet. Closing out things, though. I have a repeat customer that has always passed, now has gone:
Pending
Delayed
Under Review where it currently sits.
I tried calling, if I talk to a human they cannot give me any info. I could swear like a sailor right now. This is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. And we get to pay for the shit.

 

[Robin]

Well, one half hour after my last post at 9:42 I got a call from the gun shop to pick up my pistol. 30 days, and what was gained by anyone in this travesty to our constitution, I'll answer, nothing. Just another way for the state to fuck with the honest law abiding citizen who chooses to partake in our second amendment God given rights.
Robin

 

[Vinson57]

We went from three men in a room government to three cunts in a room. They are outlawing being male and more.

They will counter all Supreme Court decisions with any new law needed to invalidate

If the BCS was determined to be unconstitutional, they just move to require a license to purchase ammo. They can make it law that you can one buy ammo for registered weapons of any type.

The only thing left to end the madness is - All State Gun Laws unconstitutional as 2A proceeds 10A and removes them from the umbrella of states rights. The get nixed in every state - all bans, BCS, permits gone in every state. The people running this shit are fired and records destroyed. I'm tired of rights vary state by state and hearing move to a free state.

In the mean time, the BCS needs to be applied in a Gestapo methodology to extract giant lists of suspected straw buyers and locations of illegal weapons. The data geeks know what to do along with the feds who can compromise all data systems also know what needs to be done.

Goodman Street address in Rochester, a SBF (only person with no record) goes to buy 1000 rounds of 9mm versus Country boy pistol permit holder with back yard shooting range. I used Goodman Street as in the news today with a double homicide. They get a search warrant to see the 9mm ammo at the high crime area. This all looks racist so the only fix here is to deny pistol ammo to non-permit holders and problem gone.

We all heard of gun buy backs but has anyone though of ammo buy backs? Lets get the drug addicted to turn in all the ammo for money. Drain the areas of ammo once we do something to scare off the straw buyers. The geeks running the BCS, they got to justify their existence are probable to have ideas of what's next. Unleash these little leftists and let them create some real unconstitutional harm that will be good to use against them later on.

Ammo is also destined to be the barter commodity when cash is ended for simple transactions. Study CBDC if you are not aware.

Lets say the BCS geeks have taken a pile of databases and from them, they hashed these to give you a credit score, sort of a threat level kind of thing and its all secret but they are using it to spit out denials and best of all, a subjective 30 day delay. They are doing anything they want. There should of been a dashboard website where we see all metrics of the system.

 

[ManualF150]

Well, one half hour after my last post at 9:42 I got a call from the gun shop to pick up my pistol. 30 days, and what was gained by anyone in this travesty to our constitution, I'll answer, nothing. Just another way for the state to fuck with the honest law abiding citizen who chooses to partake in our second amendment God given rights.
Robin

Go call Tyler Technologies and ask them what the malfunction was... after all, they are the geeks that are providing all this support.

 

[Robin]

I'm not calling anyfuckingbody! I already know the source of this shit, past shit, and shit to come, and it's not some nerd turd outfit, probably owned by an assemblyman or state senator, sucking my tax dollars into oblivion.
Fuck this shit hole!
Robin

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Well, one half hour after my last post at 9:42 I got a call from the gun shop to pick up my pistol. 30 days, and what was gained by anyone in this travesty to our constitution, I'll answer, nothing. Just another way for the state to fuck with the honest law abiding citizen who chooses to partake in our second amendment God given rights.
Robin

Next time, just write "ILLEGAL FROM VENEZUELA" on the form and submit it as-is.

 

[Jmac00]

LOL, I went to a gun show in Quartzite, Just a little shit show with over priced everything. One guy was selling nothing but ammo. He was a very busy guy. Bought a brick (500 rounds) of 22call for 30 bucks, and 20 rounds of 45-7 for 40 bucks. In and out in 15 minutes, Paid cash, no one even asked for my name.

aaaahhhh, FREEEEEDOOOOOMMMMM

 

[FP1201]

I have a UPIN and I’m delayed from 3-24 hours every time I’ve bought a new gun (3 times) since this bullshit started. Before that, proceed in 2 seconds. For ammo, I wouldn’t know because I refuse to buy it here, fyi. YMMV

same here (UPIN) except I only bought one since 9/13 and that took a couple days; at that point it wasn't a big deal because it was at Caliber Plus and I was in and out of there every other day. (took two business days to be approved)
Where this really sucks is Gun Shows where both Dealers and Patrons often travel from hours away...someone from Courtland isn't going to be happy about traveling three hours up to Watertown to pick up their gun because the system is fucked up.

 

[Willyone]

Where this really sucks is Gun Shows where both Dealers and Patrons often travel from hours away...someone from Courtland isn't going to be happy about traveling three hours up to Watertown to pick up their gun because the system is fucked up.

No secret... "Inconvenience" by design. Done to discourage folks from buying firearms and ammo, fucking with people just because they can. Many or most retired peeps have the time to deal with the NYS shit. But folks that are still have full time jobs, TAX PAYERS, who help fund the shitbags who make the rules for the game, can have a tough time finding the time to play the game.

 

[FP1201]

No secret... "Inconvenience" by design. Done to discourage folks from buying firearms and ammo, fucking with people just because they can. Many or most retired peeps have the time to deal with the NYS shit. But folks that are still have full time jobs, TAX PAYERS, who help fund the shitbags who make the rules for the game, can have a tough time finding the time to play the game.

or taking the time to vote for candidates reflecting their values.
Yea, yea, yea I know: "vote harder"...well the truth is a LOT of elections are decided a very small percentage, sometimes less than ten votes change everything, and while voting the Party Line is pretty simple minded, you have to resign yourself to the fact that Democrats invariably vote along the party line irrespective the candidate or their qualifications; voting Republican/Conservative across the same race cancels those (D) votes.
We're on the Soap Box, the Jury Box is working here and there, the Ballot Box is coming fast, God help us all if we get into the cartridge box.

 

[Willyone]

or taking the time to vote for candidates reflecting their values.
Yea, yea, yea I know: "vote harder"...well the truth is a LOT of elections are decided a very small percentage, sometimes less than ten votes change everything, and while voting the Party Line is pretty simple minded, you have to resign yourself to the fact that Democrats invariably vote along the party line irrespective the candidate or their qualifications; voting Republican/Conservative across the same race cancels those (D) votes.
We're on the Soap Box, the Jury Box is working here and there, the Ballot Box is coming fast, God help us all if we get into the cartridge box.

Good points. When you don't vote you get what you deserve, one more up the ass here in NYS. Some people don't bother to vote because they assume nothing will change whether they vote or not. Admittedly I have been guilty of that in the past. Now I always make it a point to vote local and state, realizing my vote is likely just symbolizing, more of a protest vote than anything else. But if everyone, or more folks did a "protest" vote, it might actually = a win now and then.

Be like a Democrat.... cum election time, vote early & vote often

 

[REF]

Good points. When you don't vote you get what you deserve, one more up the ass here in NYS. Some people don't bother to vote because they assume nothing will change whether they vote or not. Admittedly I have been guilty of that in the past. Now I always make it a point to vote local and state, realizing my vote is likely just symbolizing, more of a protest vote than anything else. But if everyone, or more folks did a "protest" vote, it might actually = a win now and then.

Be like a Democrat.... cum election time, vote early & vote often

I cannot stand when people say “ I’m not voting , it won’t change a thing here in NY.” And although , most of the time this is the case in this particular super majority fucking cesspool, I often wonder what is the actual number of the people who don’t vote because of this mentality, who are like - minded, and if it would make some difference in certain elections no matter how small and incidental they may be? Anyways, my take is …. If you you don’t vote , I do not want to listen to you bitch.

 

[Acer-m14]

i just hope i can still vote from the grave like all the democrats do ..

 

[Bigfoot]

Republicans might have a chance to win if they would only learn how to harvest fraudulent votes just like the Democrats do.

Democrats laugh at fair elections.

But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it.

 

[jimc]

"Republicans might have a chance to win if they would only learn how to harvest fraudulent votes just like the Democrats do.

Democrats laugh at fair elections.

But I always vote anyway, I figure at least make those bastards work for it."


When I got my Citizenship merit badge in Boy Scouts, my Scoutmaster said, "If you don't vote, you don't have the right to bitch." I truly believe this statement.