holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Listen ,you do what your heart tells you to do , I just don't want to hear anybody bitching about illegal laws while they are complying with it at the same time. It sounds a little hypocritical .
NY SAFE Act And Its Recertification Fiasco
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FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
So then what good is a safe queen? Other than an ego boost, it's useless.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Not really, its like smoking pot , You just don't fire up in theater.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Do you guys realize the political implication's if otherwise law abiding people start getting thrown in the gulag for this nonsense? Legal challenges will be brought up and since it has never been tested in the supreme court , There's a good chance they will find it unconstitutional .
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Voluntarily allowing the state into our homes by not complying with this recert bullshit isn't going to do anyone a bit of good, there is no way to win this. On February 1st everyone who hasn't done their recert will no longer be considered a law abiding citizen and he will have won that battle. Sounds great on the web but at the end of the day when firearms get taken it's a loss no matter how you look at it. Der Fuhrer wants that to happen so he can go on his soap box saying how much safer he made NY by confiscating such and such number of illegal handguns and rifles. And that's exactly what will happen.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Don't even use SCOTUS. When exactly have they done us in NY any good? NY violates most of their rulings as it is without implication, we won't see any change in that soon.
The washed up "do it in front of a cop" farce falls flat, when doing it under the radar is exactly what got prohibition repealed.
This is what sort of makes our side sound stupid, I admit, by even responding to the yipping Chihuahuas tugging at the governor's leash.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
You were saying to not recert, correct? That is voluntarily allowing the state into our homes.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
It has to go to the supreme court. that's the way it works . The challenge will be brought . There's no getting around it. and the law could never stand on its own . Its completely unconstitutional.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
no. I was saying to not play by the rules . get your guns off the grid. you cant beat them at their game.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
SCOTUS doesn't have to take it, we've seen this already. We do not have a firm enough hold on SCOTUS.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
They will be forced to take it when so many peoples lives are affected.normal people are going to be freaking the fuck out about it. people will be going to jail. Business owners , people with money.
Its an unjust law an it must be addressed
Its an unjust law an it must be addressed
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's got to be the stupidest analogy I've heard so far on this forum. Yep. Those who purchased booze in prohibition registered each bottle they bought with their county and with the state and then hid their hootch from the state right?
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
Easier said than done in most areas. Most off the grid are stolen to begin with. I know plenty who've done just this but I also choose to carry mine and hunt with mine. That route isn't viable for me. The fist time, god forbid, that I ever used one in self defense is a sure trip to the slammer for having an off the grid handgun. The first time an ECO stops to chat while I'm hunting with an off the grid handgun is a sure trip to the slammer. I just plain prefer to use my handguns without sneaking between shadows.
As for SCOTUS being forced to take it, I'm not feeling so warm and fuzzy about that. I still think we need a better grasp on SCOTUS. If there's a couple deaths soon that can be positively replaced by Justices that will rule by law instead of feelings, I wouldn't be so pessimistic . There's just no trust in them right now. It's no different than all the Republicrats clamoring they have our backs. Yeah, right.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Yep. These guys don't know how to blend in and wait to strike. They willingly turn their selves in and think they are fighting.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Nope, And you sure as hell aint blending in when you have a paper trail to your door either. Might as well chip you while their at it .
Joining the Nazis to hide from the Nazis isn't my thing
Joining the Nazis to hide from the Nazis isn't my thing
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Per chance NYSP claims a mailed in and reciepted recertification was not recieved when it actually was its called mail fraud which is a federal crime. If they try that on a large scale, nice federal case with offenders doing time in federal penitentiary. (Amherst postal supervisor.)
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
WTF? - I had a double post somehow.
I edited the first one and left the second one. And now the second one disappears.
Damn it,,, Damn it all,,, I put a lot of thought and a lot of time into the post too.
My post was supposed to explain (in detail) why I agree with @holdover posts and that I have his back on this one.
But I am not about to type it out all out again.
Damn it! -- it was my most thought out and the best post that I have made in the 5 years that I've been here.
Now I am fucking...
I swear that "some" of you and I emphasis ("some") of you with a PP are starting to sound like elitists and or FUDDS,,, seriously.
muh investment,,, muh hunting... If you are honest with yourselves you will see what I mean.
If the sentence above offends you... Yep, you are the guilty one(s) go back and re-read your posts and think about it.
We have already proven to FUAC that we are a bunch of push overs and mark my words... He is going to run with it.
And to say that those that don't have a PP don't have a dog in this fight is just plain bullshit.
Think about that one for a minute too.
For fucks sake, we are our own worst enemies and Andy laughs his ass off at us.
How fucking embarrassing.
I edited the first one and left the second one. And now the second one disappears.
Damn it,,, Damn it all,,, I put a lot of thought and a lot of time into the post too.
My post was supposed to explain (in detail) why I agree with @holdover posts and that I have his back on this one.
But I am not about to type it out all out again.
Damn it! -- it was my most thought out and the best post that I have made in the 5 years that I've been here.
Now I am fucking...
I swear that "some" of you and I emphasis ("some") of you with a PP are starting to sound like elitists and or FUDDS,,, seriously.
muh investment,,, muh hunting... If you are honest with yourselves you will see what I mean.
If the sentence above offends you... Yep, you are the guilty one(s) go back and re-read your posts and think about it.
We have already proven to FUAC that we are a bunch of push overs and mark my words... He is going to run with it.
And to say that those that don't have a PP don't have a dog in this fight is just plain bullshit.
Think about that one for a minute too.
For fucks sake, we are our own worst enemies and Andy laughs his ass off at us.
How fucking embarrassing.
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Hey guess what ladies?
State and county law enforcement say they do not plan to pursue criminal charges against pistol permit holders who fail to recertify their permits by Jan. 31.
In recent months, state and county officials have raised concern that failing to extend the recertification deadline would turn thousands of law-biding pistol-owners into criminals overnight.
The recertification requirement was passed in 2013 as part of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, which mandates that permit holders re-certify every five years. Only those who acquired their permits before Jan. 15, 2013, are subject to the Jan. 31 deadline.
NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify, according to a spokesman.
Pistol deadline won't be enforced by sheriff's office, state police
State and county law enforcement say they do not plan to pursue criminal charges against pistol permit holders who fail to recertify their permits by Jan. 31.
In recent months, state and county officials have raised concern that failing to extend the recertification deadline would turn thousands of law-biding pistol-owners into criminals overnight.
The recertification requirement was passed in 2013 as part of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement Act, which mandates that permit holders re-certify every five years. Only those who acquired their permits before Jan. 15, 2013, are subject to the Jan. 31 deadline.
NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify, according to a spokesman.
Pistol deadline won't be enforced by sheriff's office, state police
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livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Majority of Livingston County pistol permit holders completing recertification
Strickland and Sheriff Thomas Dougherty are encouraging pistol permit holders in Livingston County to recertify their permits.
“Although I continue to be opposed to the SAFE Act and how the state has mishandled this very important topic, I do urge you to recertify your permits,” Dougherty said. “I do this for your own best interest as I do not want a good, law-abiding citizen to be stripped of their Second Amendment rights by the state of New York and subsequently put yourself in jeopardy of state law enforcement knocking on your door to confiscate your permit and your firearms.”
State Police could petition the court to revoke a pistol permit of a permit holder who fails to recertify. If the pistol permit is revoked by the court, the individual can not possess any firearms at all, including long guns, Dougherty said.
“Bottom line, take the time to recertify and keep your rights intact,” he said.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Well I guess you have nothing to worry about , Your SAFE now.
“The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in times of crisis, shrink from the service of his country- Thomas Paine
“The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in times of crisis, shrink from the service of his country- Thomas Paine
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holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify, according to a spokesman
So then they will delete this part of the law ... If it is not stricken then it hangs over everyone's head like a sword ... by a string . Today the claim they will not enforce it ... Next year ...Folks by the tens of thousands will have their 2nd taken away. .. "you did not comply"
So then they will delete this part of the law ... If it is not stricken then it hangs over everyone's head like a sword ... by a string . Today the claim they will not enforce it ... Next year ...Folks by the tens of thousands will have their 2nd taken away. .. "you did not comply"
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
What's this now?
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
I guess it means you didn't have to do it after all ,(not you)
spat
.950 JDJ
If they can just decide not to enforce this part, they can just decide not to enforce any of it. That would be my suggestion. Certainly easier for them that way....
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I said as much in another thread on this. To me, it gives a small indication as to just how much law enforcement likes this law ( which isn't much). You don't really see all that many safe act arrests in the news and most, if I'm not mistaken, are charges attached to something else. So far this law's greatest achievement has been creating a chill effect on gun owners. It is starting to show how absurd and mostly unenforceable it is, though I'm sure most LEO's knew that from the get go.
GuyMontag
.44 mag
Local news here in Broome County last night had the Sheriff on regarding this debacle, reported only 6000/26000 permit holders had re-certified. That's Broome County alone, which means at least 250,000 permits across the state that will be non-conforming come Jan 31, talk about a potential shitstorm.
Bigfoot
.475 A&M Magnum
So let me get this straight,,, just a second my head is spinning. LOL
This is almost getting to the point of being unbelievable if we weren't actually living it.
There will be so much to keep straight regarding the following list below. That I may have some events out of order.
And I probably forgot some stuff and some of it may be incorrect but I'll do my best.
1.) The NY UNSAFE Act is rushed through in the middle of the night by the state legislature without consideration of whether it would criminalize law enforcement officers... Also using the message of necessity. (when there was no emergency)
2.) We protest, A cardboard cut out of an AR15 gets confiscated by the NYSP, And FUAC gets upset about the grass.
Then the pro 2A gun groups get in a spat about who is responsible for paying for the busses or parking.
3.) "NY Shooter" goes on his rah rah campaign and gets people involved in a class action lawsuit or whatever the fuck that shit was all about,,, and then NY Shooter just disappears.
4.) 52 of the state’s 62 counties, passed resolutions opposing the law.
5.) The NYS Sheriff's Association publicly states that they oppose the NY UNSAFE Act. Many County Sheriff's state that
their department will not be enforcing the unconstitutional law.
6.)There is no such thing as 7 round magazines so FUAC grudgingly relents on that but sais that we can only load 7 rounds in our 10 round magazines. Then the court rules that we can now load 10 rounds in our 10 round magazines. But there is confusion whether or not that means the entire state or just the western district.
7.) Muzzle Brake is spelled wrong in the law. So the court gives us a freebee for a while.
8.) FUAC plans on using NICS for NYS ammo background checks and the Feds tell Andy to pound sand.
But the ban on ammo purchases from the internet is still in place.
9.) Corrupt NYS courts.
10.) NY UNSAFE Act (help website?) and the penal code is never brought up to date to reflect any changes that has been made regarding the law.
11.) HIPPA laws are violated.
12.) The United States Department of Veteran Affairs announced that it will not follow the provision of the NY SAFE Act requiring mental health professionals to report patients who seem more likely to hurt themselves or others.
13.) Confusion on what is "permanent" and what is not. (The Albion Gun Shop fiasco) only added to the confusion when
the NYSP said that as long as a bullet button is epoxied it is NY compliant.
14.) Only a 4% compliance rate regarding the registration of "so called" assault rifles.
15.) NYS Pistol Permit recertification disaster...
16.) NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify.
This list shows what a total and complete clusterfuck Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act is... And I'm sure that I forgot some stuff.
How in the hell is the NY UNSAFE Act not repealed in it's entirety by this time?
I wouldn't believe this is happening if I wasn't living it... A star needs to come off the American flag.
This is almost getting to the point of being unbelievable if we weren't actually living it.
There will be so much to keep straight regarding the following list below. That I may have some events out of order.
And I probably forgot some stuff and some of it may be incorrect but I'll do my best.
1.) The NY UNSAFE Act is rushed through in the middle of the night by the state legislature without consideration of whether it would criminalize law enforcement officers... Also using the message of necessity. (when there was no emergency)
2.) We protest, A cardboard cut out of an AR15 gets confiscated by the NYSP, And FUAC gets upset about the grass.
Then the pro 2A gun groups get in a spat about who is responsible for paying for the busses or parking.
3.) "NY Shooter" goes on his rah rah campaign and gets people involved in a class action lawsuit or whatever the fuck that shit was all about,,, and then NY Shooter just disappears.
4.) 52 of the state’s 62 counties, passed resolutions opposing the law.
5.) The NYS Sheriff's Association publicly states that they oppose the NY UNSAFE Act. Many County Sheriff's state that
their department will not be enforcing the unconstitutional law.
6.)There is no such thing as 7 round magazines so FUAC grudgingly relents on that but sais that we can only load 7 rounds in our 10 round magazines. Then the court rules that we can now load 10 rounds in our 10 round magazines. But there is confusion whether or not that means the entire state or just the western district.
7.) Muzzle Brake is spelled wrong in the law. So the court gives us a freebee for a while.
8.) FUAC plans on using NICS for NYS ammo background checks and the Feds tell Andy to pound sand.
But the ban on ammo purchases from the internet is still in place.
9.) Corrupt NYS courts.
10.) NY UNSAFE Act (help website?) and the penal code is never brought up to date to reflect any changes that has been made regarding the law.
11.) HIPPA laws are violated.
12.) The United States Department of Veteran Affairs announced that it will not follow the provision of the NY SAFE Act requiring mental health professionals to report patients who seem more likely to hurt themselves or others.
13.) Confusion on what is "permanent" and what is not. (The Albion Gun Shop fiasco) only added to the confusion when
the NYSP said that as long as a bullet button is epoxied it is NY compliant.
14.) Only a 4% compliance rate regarding the registration of "so called" assault rifles.
15.) NYS Pistol Permit recertification disaster...
16.) NYSP decided on its own not to charge permit holders who fail to re-certify.
This list shows what a total and complete clusterfuck Cuomo's NY UNSAFE Act is... And I'm sure that I forgot some stuff.
How in the hell is the NY UNSAFE Act not repealed in it's entirety by this time?
I wouldn't believe this is happening if I wasn't living it... A star needs to come off the American flag.
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