WATCH AND REACT: Argument Over Handicapped Spot Leads To Concealed Carrier Shooting And Killing Man,

[wtb12ga]

All you guys saying "what about the audio," he is lucky to have the whole thing on video with a clear angle. Surveillance cameras almost never have any audio. Florida is a 2 party state. You can't even record a conversation from your side there without the other's consent. Even in New York, a one-party state, you still need to be a party to record. If you leave hidden microphones out then you open yourself up to criminal eavesdropping charges and the audio may be inadmissible anyway.

This doesn't look good, honestly. "Beef starts with the shove and ends with the shovel" is how gangsters operate. This guy was being a busybody, he got shoved yes while he was standing next to the car yelling at her, but I did not see any further move toward him after the shove. A shove isn't deadly force, especially when you've injected yourself into a situation that isn't your responsibility.

For him to respond by drawing, aiming, pausing for a beat while the shover immediately backs off, then shoot, is totally unjustifiable; I don't care what he said; the guy is dead and the shooter's account would be self-serving anyway. Yeah he says he was in fear for his life, but if you're carrying you should do better. I really question that the purpose of "stand your ground" is intended to stretch this far.

If I give some aggro Floridian a little baby shove when he's being a psychotic asshole, can he then do some soccer dive, whip out his gun and shoot me?

This isn't a Trayvon Martin, jumped and pounded against the curb situation. He got shoved and might be essentially getting away with murder.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

Groin shot.

Split the difference. Center mass!

 

[Day444]

Some of you seem content with watching the toilet spin. Do we no longer step in and do what is right? Do we let the miscreants get away with doing something we know is wrong (morally or legally)? Ok, granted some arguments are better left alone or not getting into. And since we're all not in law enforcement, but come on.. Children running a muck, disregard for people as a whole, a society where rude is the norm?
Makes me sick to see how we treat each an other, yup I'm better off staying at home.

 

[holdover]

Which miscreants were you referring to ? The one that parked in the handicapped zone the one who shoved the guy or the shooter ?

What are we supposed to really do about it?
Not sure about your post

 

[Deplorable Me]

1. Mind your own business.
2. Keep your hands to yourself.
3. The world is full of morons with infinite experience, do not engage them on their level.

 

[Day444]

Which miscreants were you referring to ? The one that parked in the handicapped zone the one who shoved the guy or the shooter ? What are we supposed to really do about it? Not sure about your post

Dope that parked in the Handicapped space is number one. Kinda understand the guy who did the shoving, he was standing up for the dope, but none the less the shove was uncalled for. The guy who fired on and killed the shover, going solely by the video, he was wrong to shoot.
The "shooter" could have not said a word to the dope and called the police himself.
A bystander could have told the "shooter" to knock it off and call the police so they could handle the matter.
The "shover" could have done the same, before pushing the guy.
I wasn't there, I'm not involved so arm chairing it, is all I've got..

 

[Day444]

1. Mind your own business.
2. Keep your hands to yourself.
3. The world is full of morons with infinite experience, do not engage them on their level.

You're right, just give the bowl another flush.

 

[BDinPutnam]

My wife has a temp handicap permit.

She needs it and deserves it.

Neither of us would get into a pissing contest with any jackoff who parks in the space even if it's the only one and she needs it.

Life is short. Sometimes shorter than it should be. Ymmv.

 

[Robin]

Lots of times I drop my wife off for a quick run in the local supermarket. Interesting to sit and watch as I wait, first, there are more than enough parking spaces for the handicapped, way more than enough, second, most of the people using them are handicapped by too much fat, young and old, just too much fat. Me, when I go to a store I don't mind walking the length of the lot, I am happy to be able to do that.
Robin

 

[Deplorable Me]

Dope that parked in the Handicapped space is number one. Kinda understand the guy who did the shoving, he was standing up for the dope, but none the less the shove was uncalled for. The guy who fired on and killed the shover, going solely by the video, he was wrong to shoot.
The "shooter" could have not said a word to the dope and called the police himself.
A bystander could have told the "shooter" to knock it off and call the police so they could handle the matter.
The "shover" could have done the same, before pushing the guy.
I wasn't there, I'm not involved so arm chairing it, is all I've got..

If someone had approached my car I might have been thinking "car jacking". What might have happened if the passenger was armed? Could that individual have claimed "Florida; stand your ground"? I don't park in handicap spaces either. If I saw someone taking a beat down with life and limb at risk I would assess my risk and consider intervening. Only under extreme circumstances would I put my ass in harms way. Darwin has enough candidates on file.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Lots of times I drop my wife off for a quick run in the local supermarket. Interesting to sit and watch as I wait, first, there are more than enough parking spaces for the handicapped, way more than enough, second, most of the people using them are handicapped by too much fat, young and old, just too much fat. Me, when I go to a store I don't mind walking the length of the lot, I am happy to be able to do that.
Robin

Parking away from an establishment avoids car dings too.

 

[Rustycoins]

AAAAAAND... nothing of value was lost. 23 records, couldn't fit them all in one screenshot. Also, the guy didn't get back up after he was thrown down to the concrete, might have had an actual reason to be in the handicapped spot to begin with. Could have also made him more likely to shoot if he couldn't defend himself. Does anyone know if he did eventually stand back up or had some disability? I didn't see a video long enough to show it, just curious if he was on the ground until help arrived.

 

[Phauxtoe]

here is a very interesting take on the whole thing...

 

[Blimey]

When I watched the video again and discussed it with a coworker, who at first thought that the initial assault was fine and expected (and I vehemently disagreed with that, taking the stance that you never put your hands on a stranger over words), I have concluded that the guy with the gun is a complete moron.

Moreover, even with stand your ground, I don't think he was in danger of subsequent attack. He was assaulted with a shove, but the guy who pushed him did not press the attack, and shooting him was uncalled for. Moreover, with him doing this in the past and being a general asshole about it to the woman who was in a handicapped spot, I would not want to see him scot free over this.

I think he was shocked and a bit embarrassed to be put on his ass so completely, and his little ego encouraged him to pull and shoot. I think the initial draw was fine, because he was assaulted, but shooting was too much.

 

[wtb12ga]

AAAAAAND... nothing of value was lost. 23 records, couldn't fit them all in one screenshot. Also, the guy didn't get back up after he was thrown down to the concrete, might have had an actual reason to be in the handicapped spot to begin with. Could have also made him more likely to shoot if he couldn't defend himself. Does anyone know if he did eventually stand back up or had some disability? I didn't see a video long enough to show it, just curious if he was on the ground until help arrived.
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I am not weeping sad tears for the dead guy, but none of this is relevant in the slightest. Shooter takes it upon himself to be the parking police while carrying, gets in the face of this woman, isn’t exactly polite about it, and is yelling at her. He gets a single shove from her unarmed boo. He draws and fires on the unarmed man after he is already stepping back. The most charitable view of this is voluntary manslaughter. Looks more like murder to me.

Bad parking and priors make no difference here.

So he’s unsavory guy. He did nothing to be shot for, in this episode. And at least he was in these kids lives in some capacity. Sounds like he was a shitty father, but his kids saw their father shot dead in front of them and now they have no father. I don’t think the streets of Florida are safer for what this guy did, and they’d be safer with the shooter in prison for life.

 

[GOYABEAN]

T-Mobile

- A Florida man was charged with manslaughter on Monday for fatally shooting another man on July 19 during an argument over a parking spot, after police initially declined to arrest him due to the state's "stand your ground" self-defense law, officials said.
Alleged shooter Michael Drejka was taken into custody on Monday, the Pinellas County Sheriff's Office said in a statement. The suspect was 47 at the time of the crime but turned 48 last week, according to the county jail.

The current future

 

[holdover]

I thought they might arrest him.

 

[Doc8404]

here is a very interesting take on the whole thing...

what i got out of this is:

- white people hate black people and want to kill them
- black women will get yo' ass killed

 

[Nevar]

both were wrong to a point. Wonder what would happen if the skin colors were reversed.

 

[Doc8404]

let's bring one 'other factor' into the picture. **WHAT IF** the shooter had physical limitations. Such as, but not limited to, a bad back, bad hips or knees or other physical issues were defending himself would only be possible with a firearm. Now we have a big dude physically attack the idiot, yes he should have kept his mouth shut, but he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be attacked. The bad guy was well within the 21ft rule. Im going with good shoot

I have a bad back, my sciatic nerve hurts so bad sometimes I can barely walk. But if someone attacked me I would pull my firearm to defend myself. However, I would NEVER put myself in this situation. If someone parks in a handicapped spot, I don't care, I have my own health problems to deal with.

kinda like the white trash i saw smoking today....7+++ months pregnant, outside a hospital entrance.
Figured her only answer was, "screw you. My other five kids are just fine...ask their daddies...if you can find them."
I left her alone....hospital staff told her to move her skank ass away from the entrance, state law beatch.

 

[FrankenCub]

let's bring one 'other factor' into the picture. **WHAT IF** the shooter had physical limitations. Such as, but not limited to, a bad back, bad hips or knees or other physical issues were defending himself would only be possible with a firearm. Now we have a big dude physically attack the idiot, yes he should have kept his mouth shut, but he didn't but that doesn't mean he should be attacked. The bad guy was well within the 21ft rule. Im going with good shoot

I have a bad back, my sciatic nerve hurts so bad sometimes I can barely walk. But if someone attacked me I would pull my firearm to defend myself. However, I would NEVER put myself in this situation. If someone parks in a handicapped spot, I don't care, I have my own health problems to deal with.

I'm legally disabled from an MVA back in 2006, 3 disks are all but gone. I have good days, but also have many bad. There's been some where I literally crawled to a quiet area of our home and told everyone else to leave me the fuck alone. I'd much rather cry alone.
But to create an altercation over a parking spot I would never do. If anything, I'd simply turn it into store management and let them deal with it. It's just not worth it.
There's no way I could run to get away from a possible escalation so my handgun is my only line of defense.
My wife on the other hand gets a but pissed about healthy people using a handicapped spot even if we don't use one. She has a mirror tag, results of fighting cancer, COPD, and a broken hip. She does run her mouth to me about them but won't confront them thankfully lol.

 

[Blimey]

I thought they might arrest him.

Yep I am not at all surprised and I am predicting he is convicted.

I bet absent the camera he would not have been charged as witnesses would say he was attacked first. But the footage is bad for him actually shooting.

 

[Dr. Evil]

BREAKING: Florida Man Using ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense Is Charged After Parking Lot Shooting

 

[holdover]

The shooter seems like a total asshole. he has a gun and wants to enforce parking laws , tell people what to do. He was asking for trouble and he found it.

I don't know what was said, but If I walked outside and some idiot was swearing at my girlfriend, Id be inclined to knock his dick in the dirt . Not the smartest thing to do as we can see from the video, but a natural response to protect your girl.

Girls will get you into trouble that's for sure. I was at a bar one night, years ago,by myself watching the game , and beautiful little blonde girl sits down and we start talking , Buy her a drink, crack a joke get her giggling, Having a good time. Some guy walks up to her starts trying to talk to her, OK fine, its not my girl , shes anybodys game , She blows him off , We continue to have a good time , here he comes again comes right between us . Ok, whatever, do your best . pretty fucking rude, but not going to start a fight about it. Little while later I get up to go to the bathroom , I leave my keys my money my drink and my leather jacket , I come back and he sitting in my seat . (Yeah, its go time) I asked him to get out of my seat ,twice Knowing he wouldn't of course, I told him if he didn't move at the count of three I would beat the shit out of him . 1, 2, crack, I didn't give him three, So I commenced to beat him and his friend mr helper to a pulp . Any how, the bartender bought me drinks , said the guy was a real punk , and I was going to go home with the pretty girl .Right? Yeah, well it turns out for me that she was his girlfriend and was just trying to make him jealous. Went home J off .

Apparently I was beating the wrong person , what a treacherous bitch! Can you believe that shit?
Her boyfriend and company caught a serious ass whooping and I could have been hurt just to make him jealous !

 

[GOPerfect]

He are my full thoughts...

I do not care if the shooter was an asshole. He did nothing wrong. He confronted a person for her unlawful parking of her car. Nothing more and nothing less.

@Phauxtoe posted an awesome video. If you have not watched it, do yourself a favor and watch all of it. Hear the words spoken by the guy. Everything he says is covered in truth.

People that say the shooter was in no danger, I actually feel sorry for you. I am sorry that you are indeed clueless. I am sorry that you all think the dead thug was going to just walk away.

If the gun was not pulled, that little white dude would have been beaten senselessly. The dead guy would NOT have walked away. Bet.

The guy is dead because he thought he was bigger, stronger and tougher than the little dude. He would have beat that guy and than he would have bragged about the ass beating for days and weeks.

Even once the gun was out of the holster, the dead guy did not retreat; no, he stood there thinking of his next move. He thought for a moment about how to get the gun away from the guy and how he could use it against the shooter. If the shooter would have tried to get up, the dead POS would have rushed him. He would have beaten him and stole his gun.

The other guy, the one in the blue shirt would have joined in the beating. The girlfriend would have joined in. She would have left that poor innocent child in the car as she kicked and punched the little dude.

Again, being an ass and bitching about a parking spot did not warrant the physical assault that the guy got.

I hope those that are clueless never get into a situation like this. You will hesitate and you WILL be beaten.

 

[DoD1776]

BREAKING: Florida Man Using ‘Stand Your Ground’ Defense Is Charged After Parking Lot Shooting

Good

 

[Marine Cpl]

 

[Marine Cpl]

Florida man threatened people 3 different times before shooting man in 'stand your ground' case - CNN

 

[Marine Cpl]

But his history is irrelevant though.

So GP, in this scenario, you are in a Dunkin Donuts getting coffee. Your wife is in the parking lot. When you exit Dunkin Donuts, there is some Mexican dude taking offense to the MAGA hat your wife is wearing in the parking lot. You see him throw his drink at her into the car just like that other dude did to those kids in the diner.

You push him to the ground and have every intention to continue the attack. He draws, catches you off guard, and you back away. He then proceeds to line up his sights on you just like the guy in the video above and shoots you.

Is he in the right when at that very moment that you backed away, you weren't an immediate threat since the gun pointed at your direction made you back away from his space?

 

[GOPerfect]

But his history is irrelevant though.

So GP, in this scenario, you are in a Dunkin Donuts getting coffee. Your wife is in the parking lot. When you exit Dunkin Donuts, there is some Mexican dude taking offense to the MAGA hat your wife is wearing in the parking lot. You see him throw his drink at her into the car just like that other dude did to those kids in the diner.

You push him to the ground and have every intention to continue the attack. He draws, catches you off guard, and you back away. He then proceeds to line up his sights on you just like the guy in the video above and shoots you.

Is he in the right when at that very moment that you backed away, you weren't an immediate threat since the gun pointed at your direction made you back away from his space?

I am commenting on the scenario at hand. No "like" situations. No what of, could haves. If the guy with the gun would have re- holstered or attempted to get up, do you think the assaultive thug would have just walked away?

The threat is in the eye of the beholder. The guy thought there was an impending threat to serious bodily harm. I will not second guess what was in his mind.

By the way, in your scenario, my wife was assaulted, in this real life situation, the guy did nothing but throw words. Words are harmless. He was attacked, regardless of what the shooter may or may not have said.