So what is the real truth about Handgun Hunting?

[Bushmaster]

Well you can't win when you think something is a Right when it is not!

IDK what is correct, like Airborne CCW legal carry, but hunting with bow. Grey area like I said ... Seen it few times before.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Well you can't win when you think something is a Right when it is not!

How is he wrong? Your argument is that it doesn't infringe on the 2A. So is the 2A for hunting then or defense?

But you'll act as if you can't see this when I know you do. It's funny.

 

[Bushmaster]

2A has nothing to do with hunting regulations as I see it ?


"A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

Doesn't get much simpler than that. It'll never become "outdated".

 

[nortatoga]

How is he wrong? Your argument is that it doesn't infringe on the 2A. So is the 2A for hunting then or defense?

But you'll act as if you can't see this when I know you do. It's funny.

True JR I don't have you on ignore as I posted before! I just don't respond to you!

So lets take this one step at a time!

Does the 2A protect hunting?

We will keep this slow so you can keep up!

 

[Marine Cpl]

True JR I don't have you on ignore as I posted before! I just don't respond to you!

So lets take this one step at a time!

Does the 2A protect hunting?

We will keep this slow so you can keep up!

No. The 2A doesn't protect hunting.

Does the act of hunting negate the right to self protection?

 

[nortatoga]

No. The 2A doesn't protect hunting.

Does the act of hunting negate the right to self protection?

Hunting then is a Sport!

 

[stokes]

Does the act of hunting negate the right to self protection?

Just my 2 cents,but in this case it does.Hunting is a privilege,not a right.If you want to hunt,you have to follow the rules to take advantage of that privilege.You may view it as an attack on your 2A rights,but I dont think the DEC intends to violate any rights.If you hunt,you cant carry a weapon that is not legal for that season.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Hunting then is a Sport!

Can I protect myself when snowboarding? You see what I'm getting at? One has nothing to do with the other.

The government is telling me that I cannot protect myself and bear arms while bow hunting. The 2A and the bill of Rights are rights that the government cannot infringe upon.

If it was private property than they can tell me what they want. But this isn't private property.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just my 2 cents,but in this case it does.Hunting is a privilege,not a right.If you want to hunt,you have to follow the rules to take advantage of that privilege.You may view it as an attack on your 2A rights,but I dont think the DEC intends to violate any rights.If you hunt,you cant carry a weapon that is not legal for that season.

The rules are illegal. The government cannot infringe on your right to self protection. A private person on private land can but the government cannot.

 

[nortatoga]

Can I protect myself when snowboarding? You see what I'm getting at? One has nothing to do with the other.

The government is telling me that I cannot protect myself and bear arms while bow hunting. The 2A and the bill of Rights are rights that the government cannot infringe upon.

If it was private property than they can tell me what they want. But this isn't private property.

Snowboarding I guess so but we are talking about hunting!

Still keeping it slow for you!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Snowboarding I guess so but we are talking about hunting!

Still keeping it slow for you!

You still aren't getting it or are pretending to not get it. Hunting has nothing to do with it. Why can you protect yourself snowboarding, biking, or doing any other sport but not while bow hunting? Tell me why and please be specific.

 

[nortatoga]

You still aren't getting it or are pretending to not get it. Hunting has nothing to do with it. Why can you protect yourself snowboarding, biking but not hunting? Tell me why and please be specific.

You expect me to do the work for someone who has never taken a hunter safety class?

 

[FrankenCub]

If one were to cross the path of one of society's less desirable scumbag while in the woods it wouldn't be the first time. So essentially you still have the Right to self defense while hunting. It isn't set in stone where the Right ends.

 

[Marine Cpl]

You expect me to do the work for someone who has never taken a hunter safety class?

Forget it. No wonder you ignore me. You can't keep up.

 

[nortatoga]

Forget it. No wonder you ignore me. You can't keep up.

Keep up HA! I'll put it this way Bow hunting you are assimilating a primitive style of hunting, Muzzle loading also the next step up! Yet you do nothing but ridicule FUDDS for what you don't have balls to do!!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Keep up HA! I'll put it this way Bow hunting you are assimilating a primitive style of hunting, Muzzle loading also the next step up! Yet you do nothing but ridicule FUDDS for what you don't have balls to do!!

No man. You don't get it or don't want to get it. What the hell does having a 10mm or .357 Magnum on your hip for self protection have to do with bow hunting? You aren't going to use it to hunt. You use your bow to hunt.

But you already knew that. It's been said over and over. That's why I've called you a fudd in the past. You have no issues with infringements as long as you can hunt and sport shoot with revolvers, traditional stocked guns, and other fuddery instruments.

 

[Robin]

Oh but just may be I am interested in your philosophical opinions as two gentleman! We could do it though PM's? if you would like!

You probably haven't noticed but It is a very rare occurrence that I enter into a debate, especially when you and stokes start out with some kind of smarmy remarks that are not even remotely tangible to the point. There are some very good debaters here though, Willjr and Holdover immediately come to mind and I see Willjr has already engaged, but, then, you have done what you do and began with smarmy insults towards him. I am not well versed in the politics of internet forum's, and mostly use the internet for research. I came to the old forum and now here because of the SAFE act and hoped to find like minded people that, together, we could find a way to undo that debacle of shame on our Constitution, something, anything beyond paying dues to an assortment of organizations. I found that I enjoyed the company and the variety of view points, mostly, and stayed, still hoping, together we could find a way. So I will carry on with what I do and I'm sure you will do the same. Good luck Will!!!
Robin

 

[Bushmaster]

I think you all should calm down and take a nice bubble bath

 

[Bushmaster]

NYS DEC Regulation:

Handgun
Question: Can I carry my handgun while hunting?
Answer: In some cases, yes, provided that you possess a valid New York State pistol permit. New York state does not recognize pistol permits from other states. Contact an ECO for more detailed information.

Question: As a New York State Pistol Permit holder, can I carry my handgun while bow hunting or muzzleloader hunting?
Answer: No, even though you possess a valid pistol permit to carry the handgun, the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) prohibits it.

Question: Can I carry a handgun while hunting with a bow during the regular big game season?
Answer: Yes. You may not however, carry a firearm while archery hunting during a special archery season.

 

[Robin]

CC senior.
Robin

 

[Bushmaster]

Some states have concern of walking in dark morning to stands with just a bow in dark !!, I had that problem many times with pissed off Coons coming at me !! IE: Cougar, Bear, etc.... Rabies, ETC...


Is it legal to carry a pistol while bow hunting?
Thirty-seven states have successfully enacted legislation or regulations permitting the carry of a handgun while archery hunting, including : Louisiana R.S. 56:116.1 (E): “Bow hunters may carry any caliber of firearm on their person, while hunting with a bow. Read the link below. Been there before...
Handgun Carry While Archery Hunting Congressional Sportsmen's Foundation

 

[Acer-m14]

Question: As a New York State Pistol Permit holder, can I carry my handgun while bow hunting or muzzleloader hunting?
Answer: No, even though you possess a valid pistol permit to carry the handgun, the Environmental Conservation Law (ECL) prohibits it.

Question : Can i carry my pistol or shotgun or rifle during bow / muzzleloader season for Deer while i'm small game hunting to piss off the FUDDS
.. small game season is fkin open .. them damn tree rats really piss off deer hunters and
BTW can i carry a bow to for small game so i can choose the best way to take my small game ???

show me where small game is closed when deer is open .. change my mind ...

damn screwed up FUAC Laws ..

not direcect at you BM .. just everyone

 

[nortatoga]

No man. You don't get it or don't want to get it. What the hell does having a 10mm or .357 Magnum on your hip for self protection have to do with bow hunting? You aren't going to use it to hunt. You use your bow to hunt.

But you already knew that. It's been said over and over. That's why I've called you a fudd in the past. You have no issues with infringements as long as you can hunt and sport shoot with revolvers, traditional stocked guns, and other fuddery instruments.

You know so little about me! Yet you just make things up! I do take issue with infringements just not every thing is an infringement that some claim to be. Just like this little pissing match! You agreed that hunting is not a right! As so it is a sport with rules/regulation. Don't like the rules you are free to not participate! I don't disagree with wanting to carry for protection and some states have changed there laws ( mainly in areas with Grizzly Bears ) But it was not changed because it violated the 2A !

Now to may choice of firearms I have no idea where you get the sport shoot with revolvers? I have 2 a Ruger Single Six 22 and a Ruger Security Six 537 that I bought in the first year of having a license, the rest are semi-autos! And traditional stocked guns yes I had to make changes after the Safe-Act passed to a few of my semi-auto rifles which is about half of my collection ( put a spur on my DPMS LR-308 change out stocks on two 10/22's and a Mini 14 Target model!) Again if I didn't mind infringements I would have just registered them! So know what you are talking about before you make accusations about someone!

 

[Marine Cpl]

Just like this little pissing match! You agreed that hunting is not a right! As so it is a sport with rules/regulation. Don't like the rules you are free to not participate! I don't disagree with wanting to carry for protection and some states have changed there laws ( mainly in areas with Grizzly Bears ) But it was not changed because it violated the 2A !

Please be specific and tell us why this doesn't violate the 2A. I've asked you already and got an insult. Let's move past that as focus on the question.

 

[nortatoga]

Please be specific and tell us why this doesn't violate the 2A. I've asked you already and got an insult. Let's move past that as focus on the question.

You already agreed that hunting is not a right. So lets put it this way it is a sport with a division for Archery ( which to is protected by the 2A) The reg's were no firearms! As I said someone not liking the reg's don't participate ( not being sarcastic here) Someone wants to carry a sidearm can carry a muzzle loading pistol during muzzle loading rifle season, and a centerfire pistol during regular season! You are climbing the scale so to speak. If this were to be lobbied for change it would be for safety reasons not because of the 2A ! And to be honest I don't think it would get much support from bow hunters because that is part of the adrenaline rush that they get to come across and shoot a bear!

 

[Marine Cpl]

You already agreed that hunting is not a right. So lets put it this way it is a sport with a division for Archery ( which to is protected by the 2A) The reg's were no firearms! As I said someone not liking the reg's don't participate ( not being sarcastic here) Someone wants to carry a sidearm can carry a muzzle loading pistol during muzzle loading rifle season, and a centerfire pistol during regular season! You are climbing the scale so to speak. If this were to be lobbied for change it would be for safety reasons not because of the 2A ! And to be honest I don't think it would get much support from bow hunters because that is part of the adrenaline rush that they get to come across and shoot a bear!

But no one is going to hunt with the pistol nor are they saying that you should be able to. That isn't the argument.

The argument is that the gov't is denying you the right to bear that arm for protection while legally hunting with the bow.

The government is infringing on your right to protect yourself and they are not supposed to be able to do that. If it was private property, than you'd be correct.

 

[nortatoga]

But no one is going to hunt with the pistol nor are they saying that you should be able to. That isn't the argument.

The argument is that the gov't is denying you the right to bear that arm for protection while legally hunting with the bow.

The government is infringing on your right to protect yourself and they are not supposed to be able to do that. If it was private property, than you'd be correct.

No hunting reg's were put together a long time ago with input from sportsman! I know it may be hard to believe. The primitive hunting is to assimilate when hunters did not have sidearms. As to with muzzle loaders ( I can remember when only traditional muzzle loaders were allowed no in-lines! ) You need to look at this from the challenge of the sport view! You have never hunted so may be that is why you can't see it! Being a sport it is not set-up to violate the 2A but to challenge the hunter! And since we only have Black Bears which more times then not run from humans, I don't see it ever changing for protection reason in this state.

 

[Marine Cpl]

No hunting reg's were put together a long time ago with input from sportsman! I know it may be hard to believe. The primitive hunting is to assimilate when hunters did not have sidearms. As to with muzzle loaders ( I can remember when only traditional muzzle loaders were allowed no in-lines! ) You need to look at this from the challenge of the sport view! You have never hunted so may be that is why you can't see it! Being a sport it is not set-up to violate the 2A but to challenge the hunter! And since we only have Black Bears which more times then not run from humans, I don't see it ever changing for protection reason in this state.

You keep saying this over and over but the handgun is not going to be used for hunting. Again. The handgun is not going to be used for hunting. Again. The handgun is not going to be used for hunting.

Now with that out of the way, why should the NYS government be allowed to infringe on that right for self protection when bow hunting? If we lived in another state, we wouldn't be having this discussion since you are allowed to carry your gun for self protection but aren't allowed to use it for the actual hunt.

 

[Marine Cpl]

In your mind it's okay to infringe on the right to self protection by the government for the spirit of the hunt. The spirit of the hunt is entirely up to you. You can still do that if you choose and someone else can carry a handgun to protect themselves if they so choose like it's done in other states but it's wrong for the NYS government to infringe on that right for the so called, "Spirit of the Hunt."

 

[BDinPutnam]

Not to stir this well-stirred pot but he did tell you that you could carry a muzzle loading pistol during archery season, @Willjr75

Where have I heard that line of argument before..



PS- in a nutshell, my question is: why should regulations regarding something you believe is a privilege (hunting) trump something that we agree is an inalienable right (2A for self defense)?