ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Also, maybe just give up your guns now dude. No point in having them anyway right? It's over.
the coming storm
- Thread starter Jmac00
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Everything and everyone has an exploitable weakness, you just need to know where to look and what leverage to apply.
reinhardt
.40 S&W
IMHO it would take an awful, awful lot more shit to happen to get to the point where one of us would actually kill another person.. I am not talking about a home invasion or another type of defensive situation. I mean getting to the point where a group would attack a facility causing death to those working there. How about assassinating an opposition leader? Yeah I know we spout about getting rid of people we passionately disagree with but actually pulling the trigger? We had better think this through. Even Churchill said "better jaw, jaw, jaw than war, war, war".
MadScientist
.45 acp
Not sure I saw that post, perhaps I wasn't a member here at that time. I am all for emergency preparedness networks, actually I would love to be a part of one. To play devil's advocate though, OPSEC is a massive issue and public forums such as this could certainly represent a seriously concern. Perhaps why you received lukewarm responses.
If I am allowed to make a critique, TBH I think a huge issue with the gun community and prepping community is a bit too much individualism. "I got mine" type attitude. We would be much stronger together with proper coordination and unified training. But likewise in a volatile political atmosphere I also understand the distrust. Its a tough situation.
Apparently you don't know how the internet works.
Jmac00
.475 A&M Magnum
I'll just leave this here:
Bundy Ranch standoff. If a bunch of ranch hands can hold off the government, just think what a determined bunch of deplorable people can do
Bundy Ranch standoff. If a bunch of ranch hands can hold off the government, just think what a determined bunch of deplorable people can do
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Haha!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Okay. I guess I don't.
I guess I also don't know why anyone needs a gun either.
I get into these types of conversations a lot. Here on this forum as well as in person with many different people.
In regards to the "Coming Storm", I for one have no idea exactly what form it will come in. I do though believe that a Storm is coming. I believe with all my being that when it comes to the US, it will be a bad as it can get. I believe that the Federal Government will indeed become the real enemy of the people. I believe that there are many in the Government that cannot wait for this Storm to come in order to really rip our Rights. The Second Amendment is not even the top of their list.
Do I think that we will be able to Jam and take down Drones and the such? Nope. I do believe though that the Government will be the enemy and that now is the time to prepare for the unknown.
As for the Military, hell, I spent more than two decades serving in the Army. I have seen everyday people more trained that many in the Army. I think there are many Tacticool Civilians that are really funny to watch. Their Youtube videos are sometimes the funniest shit out there. But, there are many that are trained in many different disciplines.
Most people that I know want no conflict at all. None with other Survivors not the Military. Most keep to themselves and and do nothing more than prepare their friends and family to survive. They stock up on important items, they invest wisely and learn as they go. People that have never hunted learning that trade. People learning how to can, fish, trap and garden. People learning the old ways.
Well said.
Thank you. Kind of funny...
I do not take many things in a serious manner. Most things; I just don't give a fuck about. This, this is my passion. This Storm, it consumes me.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I think the citizenry can wage a war (guerilla war where you shoot, run, and hide) against the US Military but if the US Military wanted to end it they could do it easily.
Rules of engagement hamstring a military but if given orders to cut the power, communication, and food and round up all dissidents into camps, it can easily be done.
Billy Bob wouldn't stand a chance.
Rules of engagement hamstring a military but if given orders to cut the power, communication, and food and round up all dissidents into camps, it can easily be done.
Billy Bob wouldn't stand a chance.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
A geographic area known as the country of Iraq in comparison to a small portion of the United States that the military couldn't completely control, albeit with restrictive rules of engagment, but none the less we couldn't control it all. Nor could we turn it into a flourushing beacon of democracy. This is a BIG country. Our military with full cooperation from every member, could control key points and areas, but not the whole thing. I don't buy anything you are selling in this thread.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Iraq area. What that is exactly IDK.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Add the National Guard of every State to the list along with police.
The State's Guard and police alone could do it. Now add the rest of the military.
What is it that I said that you are not buying? Did I make any outrageous claims it something?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
No. Non starter. You expect local police to fight their own neighbors.
How many state troopers are in NY? A few thousand??? Nat guard? Are you kidding? Weekend warriors killing there own? I don't think so.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
This is a hypothetical is it not?
But anyway. What do you think Cpl. Johnson is going to do when his buddy gets his brain splattered right in front of him with a .308? You think he's just going to raise his hands?
I know I wouldn't if I was in. And as far as the National Guard goes, those days of just drinking beer are over. National Guard soldiers are seasoned warriors that have deployed multiple times oversees.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
I'll just put this out there. Anyone in uniform of any kind would be a target day to day. I don't think police, national guard, military or whoever would want to subject themselves to that in their own country. I mean it's not like they're in the middle east with a heavily armed base to report back to. They live in the same neighborhoods everyone else does. Not shitting where you eat couldn't be more true in this type of situation.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Of course its just hypothetical. What do you think Cpl Johnson's going to do when ordered to kill his neighbor of 30 years or a member of his extended family?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Lol, I like you.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Let me put it to you this way. The National Guard is deployed because of minor unrests. Things aren't bad yet. They are out there to try to keep the peace. A bunch of Billy Bobs decide to snipe a Soldier. The soldier's brains get blown on their faces. The buddy that they've trained with their whole careers.
The way it works is your buddy comes first. They'll see their buddy dead on the ground and come for you.
They aren't going to think politics. All they'll know it's that a bunch of yahoos are killing their brothers.
The way it works is your buddy comes first. They'll see their buddy dead on the ground and come for you.
They aren't going to think politics. All they'll know it's that a bunch of yahoos are killing their brothers.
Everything is falling apart?
The Regular Army will fall apart.
The National Guard will fall apart.
The State Police will fall apart.
The Local Police will fall apart.
None of these groups are going to stay together long; they are all going to leave and go to their family's. A few will stick around, the majority will shuffle on home.
I know I would leave my post.
The Regular Army will fall apart.
The National Guard will fall apart.
The State Police will fall apart.
The Local Police will fall apart.
None of these groups are going to stay together long; they are all going to leave and go to their family's. A few will stick around, the majority will shuffle on home.
I know I would leave my post.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
The US government wouldn't stand a chance the minute they decided they were going to cut the power to NYC, LA, Etc in order to "get" the insurgents hiding there.
A lot of people think you want to hole up in the backwoods of nowhere while fighting an insurgency, and that couldn't be further from the truth, you want to blend into the largest population centers you can find. It's the opposite of where you want to be in a SHTF situation.
The minute the feds start rolling tanks down main street, it's all over for them.
Possibly. More than likely. At least for a short time. Eventually, all of them will leave to protect their own.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
He would do as told because the order would come down after 20 or so brothers got taken out.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And what happens when they are given incentives to stay when everyone else is starving? Many would to save their families.