96coal449
.308 Win
Gee I wonder what the princess has in mind.
Maybe he would like his shoes cleaned ....... lick, lick.
FUAC
"Ghost guns" A-9903A amended ( merged with senate ghost gun thread)
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Maybe he would like his shoes cleaned ....... lick, lick.
FUAC
Soooooo...
Where are is the outrage from outside of here, anybody from say VA that want all Patriots to show up for their fight ?
They'll pass this without a doubt and there won't be an inkling of resistance.
FUNY, FUAC.
Everytime I turn around these fuckers want to make a felon out of me.
Where are is the outrage from outside of here, anybody from say VA that want all Patriots to show up for their fight ?
They'll pass this without a doubt and there won't be an inkling of resistance.
FUNY, FUAC.
Everytime I turn around these fuckers want to make a felon out of me.
Same here. I was just responding to someone who said anywhere out of state will sell to us.
96coal449
.308 Win
The outrage has been here in NY since 2013. It just needs to organize and assemble. Not just a picnic on the capitals lawn. As evident, signs are ignored by the tyrants. I wouldn't bet VA rally to be a push over. Them boys are pissed. The hornets nest has been kicked repeatably in only the past few weeks. Remember the civil war ended there. They are none to happy. Now I'm saying if all blue/purple states had marches on their capitals, this would work.
SCOTUS take notice .......
We the Patriots have had enough.
The patriots would not be ignored. Or we can all just wait for the full disarmament push.......
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
You're correct. You won't be allowed to own a stripped lower.
You'll be allowed to have a fully functional firearm. But...not a nonfunctional "shell" that holds firearm internal components. Makes sense. (To who...I don't know.)
That'll be the day, said in my best George Washington McLintock voice.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
If you're gonna be a felon, might as well make it count. Machine gun, silencer, shoulder thing that goes up - sky's the limit!
Nothing will happen here, we're already used to getting fucked by cuomo, won't be long he'll be balls deep in every NY gun owner and you won't even notice the but for some bitching here.
As for VA, I'm giving that a 50/50 chance of having any effect. They don't give a fuck who they piss off.
ManrisFrack
.223 Rem
Good question on the federal level - probably not. It doesn't matter though. This bill only applies to the guns that the gunsmith manufactured or caused to be manufactured. Even if they serialize it and register it, it's still defined as a "ghost gun" under this law because the gunsmith didn't actually make it. The only other option for existing "ghost guns" is to surrender - which obviously violates the takings clause.
This significantly hampers my plans for a possible gun manufacturing business. I can't even make a proof of concept without going full out for an 07 and gunsmith license now. That's a lot of bullshit and money to risk on a few untested ideas that I don't even know if there's a market for. NY Open for Business.
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
So if I buy a gun that is assembled, and then I unassemble it, and then I assemble it again 20 minutes later I committed a felony?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
See you in reeducation camp!
Phazer
.338 Win Mag
It would appear so.
Also, don't you dare swap out a worn barrel or upgrade your mil-spec trigger group. Otherwise, you get to go directly to jail.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
How about swapping sights or even a scope? The fun never ends!
Target
6.5 Creedmoor
The Cabelas in PA will sell NY'rs rifles with no problems. Just past the PICS check and take it home.
Luckily, pulling the rear take down pin does not constitute dissasembly else we'd not be able to reload our "compliant" ARs.
Luckily, pulling the rear take down pin does not constitute dissasembly else we'd not be able to reload our "compliant" ARs.
ManrisFrack
.223 Rem
Says who?
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
The long island troop of state police
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
It is good to reread, or perhaps read for the first time, why we got here.
Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Georgia
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
North Carolina
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Massachusetts
John Hancock
Maryland
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Pennsylvania
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
New York
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New Hampshire
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts
Facing all the risk and peril of these fine men, I would sign it today if asked.
God bless our Republic.
Robin
Congress, July 4, 1776.
The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America, When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.
Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.
We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.
Georgia
Button Gwinnett
Lyman Hall
George Walton
North Carolina
William Hooper
Joseph Hewes
John Penn
South Carolina
Edward Rutledge
Thomas Heyward, Jr.
Thomas Lynch, Jr.
Arthur Middleton
Massachusetts
John Hancock
Maryland
Samuel Chase
William Paca
Thomas Stone
Charles Carroll of Carrollton
Virginia
George Wythe
Richard Henry Lee
Thomas Jefferson
Benjamin Harrison
Thomas Nelson, Jr.
Francis Lightfoot Lee
Carter Braxton
Pennsylvania
Robert Morris
Benjamin Rush
Benjamin Franklin
John Morton
George Clymer
James Smith
George Taylor
James Wilson
George Ross
Delaware
Caesar Rodney
George Read
Thomas McKean
New York
William Floyd
Philip Livingston
Francis Lewis
Lewis Morris
New Jersey
Richard Stockton
John Witherspoon
Francis Hopkinson
John Hart
Abraham Clark
New Hampshire
Josiah Bartlett
William Whipple
Massachusetts
Facing all the risk and peril of these fine men, I would sign it today if asked.
God bless our Republic.
Robin
ManrisFrack
.223 Rem
The long island troop of state police
Was this from the whole Dark Storm bullshit about making MR2s 'officially' illegal so they could sell more of their shitty fixed mag solution?
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
You spelled "Dark Stain" wrong.
Bananabandit
.338 Win Mag
Time to swap every part on my guns....i want highest amount of felonies!
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
Yeah. With DSI getting a letter from the local troop stating that DSI had the only NY complaint AR.
Pretty sure you have to have a manufacturer’s license to put a serial number on a 100% frame that you did not build for personal use.
Uzi
.308 Win
This will get all the votes it needs to be passed because the title "GHOST GUNS" is scary to them and won't be read any further.
They're outlawing basic ownership of firearms in this bill. Almost nobody needs to bring their firearms into a gunsmith ever unless there needs to be milling or specialized coatings, tapping etc done. Most people don't have the money for gunsmiths and are fully capable of disassembling almost any firearm for cleaning, "maintenance" and mounting scopes and accessories, which doesn't require any skill or gunsmith training. It requires only an IQ @ room temperature and very very basic tools.
Simply installing anything or disassembling anything would be a felony on any firearm you own. And banning all firearm parts? Please.... People aren't going to bring their guns to the gunsmith to wipe off gunpowder residue or clean the lint out out of their carry pistol. Fucking idiot Andy Huomo.
They're outlawing basic ownership of firearms in this bill. Almost nobody needs to bring their firearms into a gunsmith ever unless there needs to be milling or specialized coatings, tapping etc done. Most people don't have the money for gunsmiths and are fully capable of disassembling almost any firearm for cleaning, "maintenance" and mounting scopes and accessories, which doesn't require any skill or gunsmith training. It requires only an IQ @ room temperature and very very basic tools.
Simply installing anything or disassembling anything would be a felony on any firearm you own. And banning all firearm parts? Please.... People aren't going to bring their guns to the gunsmith to wipe off gunpowder residue or clean the lint out out of their carry pistol. Fucking idiot Andy Huomo.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
And just like that no one is talking about the $6 billion budget shortfall.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Your last paragraph is the $64,000 question.
SmallGameAddict
.308 Win
Ain't that the truth
John Stark
.44 mag
Little bird told me they are shooting for serialized uppers AND lowers, barrels, and possibly stocks, as those are the major components it should be "easy" to serialize because of the size of the components. Which means at least a temporary end to all guns sales in NY, because even current stock sitting at the FFLs and box stores won't qualify as "compliant." FFLs will become felons overnight, unless there is a grace period or grandfathering.
It also means that NO FFLs or manufactures are going to ship any part to NY. The ammo background check has never gone into effect, and years later we have tons of out-of-state ammo manufactuters and dealers that will not ship a box of freaking .22lr to NY. Manufactures are NOT going to serialize barrels, stocks, and uppers just for NY. Its not going to happen.
The scope of this goes further than anyone is realizing, even the lawmakers; just like when the lawmakers stepped on their own genitals when they forgot to exempt law enforcement from UnSafe mag restrictions and thought they could make the Fed NICS agency run background checks for ammo.
Its an end run around the Constitution, as well as a direct "screw you" to Supreme Court decisions that have clearly stated that the Second Amendment is a fundamental Right and thus protected.
Its interesting that the response from many NYers is to ask how it will be possible to comply with this new law, when the answer is simple.
Don't.
It also means that NO FFLs or manufactures are going to ship any part to NY. The ammo background check has never gone into effect, and years later we have tons of out-of-state ammo manufactuters and dealers that will not ship a box of freaking .22lr to NY. Manufactures are NOT going to serialize barrels, stocks, and uppers just for NY. Its not going to happen.
The scope of this goes further than anyone is realizing, even the lawmakers; just like when the lawmakers stepped on their own genitals when they forgot to exempt law enforcement from UnSafe mag restrictions and thought they could make the Fed NICS agency run background checks for ammo.
Its an end run around the Constitution, as well as a direct "screw you" to Supreme Court decisions that have clearly stated that the Second Amendment is a fundamental Right and thus protected.
Its interesting that the response from many NYers is to ask how it will be possible to comply with this new law, when the answer is simple.
Don't.
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
How can a people respect the law when they, when the state government has no respect for the the law of the land? They can't so fuck them!
Robin
Robin