Lets talk Red Dots on handguns
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MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
It's so small! (that's what she said)
Not sure when I'll get to the range - I usually like to go every 4th of July but it's going to be so HOTTT and I know someone with an in-ground pool...
Initial thoughts:
- It feels weird to use the optic to rack the slide. There are just two small screws holding it on, but I assume they've done the proper testing...
- It's so light - according to Holosun it is one (1) ounce. However it does NOT feel cheap or flimsy.
- I have a slight astigmatism, so I have range glasses with corrective lenses ($$$) which help with optics. Obviously I still like to check without glasses - if my glasses get knocked off or something I need to know if I can still use the sights. I'm happy to say that while they are indeed a little fuzzy (no "comet trails", just fuzzy all around), with the circle+dot setting it is still very usable (at least in dry-fire)*
- Aside from rifle optics, this is only my second pistol red dot optic, with my first being a Vortex Venom on a S&W Victory .22 cal pistol. The Venom was roughly half the price and I have a hard time seeing that dot clearly without Rx glasses, though I believe the Venom is 3 MOA dot, the 507k is a 2 MOA.
Can't wait to take it to the range! Still waiting for holsters though..
(edit: clarified difficulty with dot on Vortex Venom)
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Where did you find the 507K?????View attachment 78118
It's so small! (that's what she said)
Not sure when I'll get to the range - I usually like to go every 4th of July but it's going to be so HOTTT and I know someone with an in-ground pool...
Initial thoughts:
* - related to the above, the 407k does NOT have a circle reticle and is a 6 MOA dot; the 507k has circle option (can also make it circle only, dot only or both) and is a 2 MOA dot. That might help someone like me with imperfect vision. (I started to look into LASIK earlier this year, then COVID happened)
- It feels weird to use the optic to rack the slide. There are just two small screws holding it on, but I assume they've done the proper testing...
- It's so light - according to Holosun it is one (1) ounce. However it does NOT feel cheap or flimsy.
- I have a slight astigmatism, so I have range glasses with corrective lenses ($$$) which help with optics. Obviously I still like to check without glasses - if my glasses get knocked off or something I need to know if I can still use the sights. I'm happy to say that while they are indeed a little fuzzy (no "comet trails", just fuzzy all around), with the circle+dot setting it is still very usable (at least in dry-fire)*
- Aside from rifle optics, this is only my second pistol red dot optic, with my first being a Vortex Venom on a S&W Victory .22 cal pistol. The Venom was roughly half the price and I have a hard time seeing that dot clearly, though I believe the Venom is 3 MOA dot, the 507k is a 2 MOA.
Can't wait to take it to the range! Still waiting for holsters though..
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
On my doorstep. It just showed up!
I kid - after ordering through Optics Planet and then SportsmansGuide, I saw mention last week that said HOLOSUN HS507K COMPACT RED DOT had them IN STOCK and was shipping. When I clicked the page it said 8 in stock; after I checked out it said 4. Got a shipping notice last Saturday and was delivered today.
Now they are on backorder again.
View attachment 78118
It's so small! (that's what she said)
Not sure when I'll get to the range - I usually like to go every 4th of July but it's going to be so HOTTT and I know someone with an in-ground pool...
Initial thoughts:
* - related to the above, the 407k does NOT have a circle reticle and is a 6 MOA dot; the 507k has circle option (can also make it circle only, dot only or both) and is a 2 MOA dot. That might help someone like me with imperfect vision. (I started to look into LASIK earlier this year, then COVID happened)
- It feels weird to use the optic to rack the slide. There are just two small screws holding it on, but I assume they've done the proper testing...
- It's so light - according to Holosun it is one (1) ounce. However it does NOT feel cheap or flimsy.
- I have a slight astigmatism, so I have range glasses with corrective lenses ($$$) which help with optics. Obviously I still like to check without glasses - if my glasses get knocked off or something I need to know if I can still use the sights. I'm happy to say that while they are indeed a little fuzzy (no "comet trails", just fuzzy all around), with the circle+dot setting it is still very usable (at least in dry-fire)*
- Aside from rifle optics, this is only my second pistol red dot optic, with my first being a Vortex Venom on a S&W Victory .22 cal pistol. The Venom was roughly half the price and I have a hard time seeing that dot clearly without Rx glasses, though I believe the Venom is 3 MOA dot, the 507k is a 2 MOA.
Can't wait to take it to the range! Still waiting for holsters though..
(edit: clarified difficulty with dot on Vortex Venom)
The Holosun looks soo good on there.. its so nice to see that vs any od the Romeo options. Hope you get to the range and we hear an update
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
There is a slight overhang on either side; didn't measure but it's not much. On the other side is a side-load for the 1632 battery - no more re-zeroing after changing battery!
I will definitely post updates; I have multiple holsters coming but they're all backed up due to record gun sales.
Aether
22lr
I have two pistols with red dots: a P320 with a deltapoint pro and a P365 with a Holosun 507K. Approximately 1000 rounds through the P320 and 50 through the P365. Both are accurate and the dots are easy to find and make quick shots with. Very impressed with both.
OK I cant let that one slide.... NICE~!!!!!!!! Big fan of what she said.
Not sure when I'll get to the range - I usually like to go every 4th of July but it's going to be so HOTTT and I know someone with an in-ground pool...
You only go to the range once a year?
Another one!!! How come I can't find a "K". WTF?
Good luck haha people have been locking that pre order down for months now
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
Nice! Haven't been back to the range with mine yet.. hopefully in the next week or two.
So I just did the Low light pistol skills workshop with Onsight last night (ill link my "review" if you will, long winded because well thats just how I am and I tend to ramble)
But at one point I talk about getting to shoot a dot under low light conditions. And to recap that here because well "let's talk Red Dots on handguns"
If you have ever gotten to shot a red dot (handgun or rifle) during the day and think man that's just nice and easy, I can tell you now from experience under low light the dot is even MORE of a force multiplier.
We all know pretty well that there is a lot of multi tasking for our brain when shooting, find the sights line up the sights, trigger press, breathing and so on.
Now add in having to manipulate a flashlight, especially implementing on off, add in moving and then even the assessment of your surroundings with the limited visual data.. the red dot just makes it so you have one less thing to focus on, now instead of trying to find both the front and rear sights with limited lighting its pick up the target paint it with that dot and do work if you need to.
Always figured dots would shine even more (no pun intended) under low light and now i had a chance to actually experience that first and and it was even more so a benefit than under normal lighting conditions.
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But at one point I talk about getting to shoot a dot under low light conditions. And to recap that here because well "let's talk Red Dots on handguns"
If you have ever gotten to shot a red dot (handgun or rifle) during the day and think man that's just nice and easy, I can tell you now from experience under low light the dot is even MORE of a force multiplier.
We all know pretty well that there is a lot of multi tasking for our brain when shooting, find the sights line up the sights, trigger press, breathing and so on.
Now add in having to manipulate a flashlight, especially implementing on off, add in moving and then even the assessment of your surroundings with the limited visual data.. the red dot just makes it so you have one less thing to focus on, now instead of trying to find both the front and rear sights with limited lighting its pick up the target paint it with that dot and do work if you need to.
Always figured dots would shine even more (no pun intended) under low light and now i had a chance to actually experience that first and and it was even more so a benefit than under normal lighting conditions.
OFT: Thursdays Low Light Pistol Skills workshop A.A.R
As stated in the title here is an after action report or review of sorts after getting to go @OnSight Firearms Training Tuesday Workshop "Low Light Pistol Skills" Class: Low Light Pistol Skills Location: Roll Call, Scranton PA. Equipment brought: Glock 34 Gen 5 MOS mostly stock...
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Well didnt think this would ever be something i mentioned, but Ernest Langdon is a wizard or something but a buddy of mine got this screen grab off the most recent video Ernest posted on Facebook (its not the best screen shot but there isn't much time to get a perfect shot)
Anyways. I saw the video and can confirm that it was 100% a 92 series gun...
And yup that is a red dot (guessing rmr or 507c) and...... suppressor height sights.. ***edit*** after looking closely I am betting money its the Holosun 509t
Looks like there will finally be a way to somehow run a milled Beretta 92 with buis
Anyways. I saw the video and can confirm that it was 100% a 92 series gun...
And yup that is a red dot (guessing rmr or 507c) and...... suppressor height sights.. ***edit*** after looking closely I am betting money its the Holosun 509t
Looks like there will finally be a way to somehow run a milled Beretta 92 with buis
Doesn't look like a 92 in that pic. Not seeing an open slide
Again its a shitty pic but it 100% is a 92 series
I have a Romeo1, a little 2 years now.
i am no “operator” or daddy war bucks, but wanted to try one on a pistol
I hated red dots at first so i treated it without care. Then one day it all clicked, i love them now.
I carry it holstered and shoot it a lot, never s hiccup.
(no i dont torture test thing, i just use the shit out of stuff)
I would recommend it without hesitation, but have had only one!
i am no “operator” or daddy war bucks, but wanted to try one on a pistol
I hated red dots at first so i treated it without care. Then one day it all clicked, i love them now.
I carry it holstered and shoot it a lot, never s hiccup.
(no i dont torture test thing, i just use the shit out of stuff)
I would recommend it without hesitation, but have had only one!
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
me too. this ones going to be fun
That's a hell of a drive for you.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
i k
i know, but i missed the boat on the class in Pa and i desperately need some pointers on maximizing my effectiveness with this optic.
Anyone with a Beretta and wants to get it milled for well damn near anything......
www.langdontactical.com
LTT Custom Gun Work - LTT Beretta 92 RDO Cut
It's our mission to provide the skills, knowledge and equipment to have confidence under duress. Custom gun work for Beretta, Glock, HK, Hellcat, & more.
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See you there.
speedkills27
6.5 Creedmoor
looking forward to it
MikeyCNY
6.5 Creedmoor
I was finally able to make it back to the range to zero the 507k. Digging around for different ammo I brought a mixture, but forgot the hollow points, which is probably what I should be zeroing it with if I'm going to carry it.. oh well, next month. Prior to today my 365XL had 200 trouble-free rounds without the optic loaded. For the range trip today I used -
This is 7 rounds, at 7-8 yards, in.. well not 7 seconds, but it wasn't exactly slow fire.
After that I finished off with 20 rounds of Winchester 115 gr FMJ for a total of 200 rounds, with no issues except the hiccup with the SIG ammo. No cleanings since before I first brought the gun home, so 400 rounds total. I'll probably given it a cleaning this weekend now that it is "broken in".
Can't remember what ammo that was, maybe it was the Target Sports ammo still. I do need a lot of practice with the dot - follow-up shots were sometimes delayed because I'm so used to focusing on the front sight. This is my first handgun-mounted red dot (besides a Vortex Venom on my S&W .22 cal Victory which doesn't really count) - I did find the dot sufficiently bright, not sure what setting I had it at but it was not at max, and I was in the sun all morning. Mounting screws after the 200 rounds were still tight so no issues there.
Also I was using the red dot to rack the slide when I had to, no issues there either. Though if you havefat swollen fingers you might leave a fingerprint on the front - I could not see it looking at the targets. And yes, the sight DOES have a slight "fish bowl" effect. I did not find it distracting after a few mags. I read elsewhere that it seems to have like a 1.05x magnification which is possible.
The auto-shutoff works great; I open my safe and I can see that it's off, as soon as I pick it up it turns on. There is a very small rear sight kind of built-in to the Holosun 507k - I did not check the accuracy/POI difference with that. Mental note to check next time.
- Speer Lawman 124 gr TMJ (my usual range ammo) - 50 rounds no issues
- SIG Sauer 124 gr FMJ - 20 rounds no issues, the 21st round Failed to Chamber. I did an immediate Tap-Rack-Bang then looked for it on the ground. It had a very slight gouge on the top where it tried to chamber. I put it back in the mag and resumed shooting - that round failed to chamber AGAIN. Bashing the back of the slide chambered it and it fired fine. Maybe slightly out of spec? The remainder of the 50 round box fired fine. I had never used this ammo before, but I find it ironic that the SIG ammo hiccuped in a SIG pistol...
- Federal Syntech Training Match 124 gr - 50 rounds no issues. I've started to grow fond of this ammo - shoots clean and seems to be the most accurate of any I've tried, until this next one...
- Target Sports Ammunition 124g gr FMJ - New stuff, they just came out with it this month I think. Headstamp says "TSA" on it and it says "Made in Czech Republic". Reviews seem to think it is made by S&B (Sellier & Bellot); it is even packaged in small boxes which is very handy for ammo cans. It is a bit expensive at $0.30/round when I bought it. I only bought a couple of boxes to try. What I found is excellent accuracy. 30 rounds of this with zero issues, though it is smoky and smells a little. I probably wouldn't use inside if you can help it..
This is 7 rounds, at 7-8 yards, in.. well not 7 seconds, but it wasn't exactly slow fire.
After that I finished off with 20 rounds of Winchester 115 gr FMJ for a total of 200 rounds, with no issues except the hiccup with the SIG ammo. No cleanings since before I first brought the gun home, so 400 rounds total. I'll probably given it a cleaning this weekend now that it is "broken in".
Can't remember what ammo that was, maybe it was the Target Sports ammo still. I do need a lot of practice with the dot - follow-up shots were sometimes delayed because I'm so used to focusing on the front sight. This is my first handgun-mounted red dot (besides a Vortex Venom on my S&W .22 cal Victory which doesn't really count) - I did find the dot sufficiently bright, not sure what setting I had it at but it was not at max, and I was in the sun all morning. Mounting screws after the 200 rounds were still tight so no issues there.
Also I was using the red dot to rack the slide when I had to, no issues there either. Though if you have
The auto-shutoff works great; I open my safe and I can see that it's off, as soon as I pick it up it turns on. There is a very small rear sight kind of built-in to the Holosun 507k - I did not check the accuracy/POI difference with that. Mental note to check next time.
well. Holosun does it again... teamed up with Primary Arms (again) and is offering the 507c V2 but this time with ACSS reticle...
It will have a chevron instead of the dot.. but also have a giant circle that won't be visible unless the sights aren't fully aligned, helping to show where the user is off with their alignment
www.primaryarms.com
It will have a chevron instead of the dot.. but also have a giant circle that won't be visible unless the sights aren't fully aligned, helping to show where the user is off with their alignment
Shopping
www.primaryarms.com
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@Marine Cpl I know you occasional mention semi being interested in dots, but the idea of fishing for a dot during presentation has always been a big negative.
Something like this new 507c v2 may be an awesome option (even better if they find a way to get it into the k models)
Something like this new 507c v2 may be an awesome option (even better if they find a way to get it into the k models)
I like the acss reticle, but I see no need for it on a red dot, especially a handgun dot. I'll have to read up on this though, the large circle helper sounds interesting, even though im starting to get fairly proficient with the draw and seeing the dot. While I haven't moved on to one handed shooting yet, I can see that being a problem with my finding a dot for a while.