None of this is a reason to get shot, it is reason for the Police to be cautious while around him.
Not a Boy Scout on any level.
Not a Boy Scout on any level.
Man injured after officer-involved shooting in Kenosha
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100% justified. He told them he was going for a gun and reached into his car while already armed with a knife.
Also 100% why I retired. I knew I could never comfortably interact with a black person while on duty again.
So I left.
Also 100% why I retired. I knew I could never comfortably interact with a black person while on duty again.
So I left.
You sound about as smart as the thug that was rightly shot. Your automatic position is the cops were wrong and we need evidence to prove they were right. That's not how it works. Especially with a record like this thug had, he get's zero benefit of the doubt.
100 percent good riddance.
Yeah, that hole of yours? It's bigger.
Not giving cops the benefit of the doubt is not the same as taking a position against them. Let me know if you need me to explain the difference.
holdover
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This is a big problem right here. You cannot view the law through the eyes of race. But on factual evidence . Play along with me for minute. everybody in the video is white. A white man brandishing a knife , wanted on felony charges , acting in an aggressive and non compliant way reaches inside his car. Does it change the fact that he may be going for a gun? No. Would an officer be justified in shooting. Yes. A lethal threat does not have any color. A white officer is not going to give a white criminal a chance to blow his brains out any more than a black man . A fear of being shot or killed has absolutely nothing to do with race. The fact is, white black green or chartuse the threat was real and was acted upon.
Ignorance of the law plays a huge part the killing of a lot of black men . I saw a video where a woman cop lost control and could not get a huge black man to comply , He said fuck you and walked away . but when he opened the back door of his car and reached in , she shot and killed him . very similar to what happened here. He must have said to himself she cant do anything, I didn't do anything wrong. ( which was true, but it didnt matter) His ignorance cost him his life. She did not lose her job. The reason she wasn't charged was because she followed her training and the law . Not because she was white .
An officer has to evaluate the situation and what a reasonable person would assume to be a threat at the moment. They are trained to understand and observe that once a persons hands are out of sight they are possibly in mortal danger. An officer has LEGAL rights to use force, up to an includeing lethal force when effecting an arrest.
All this has nothing to do with race. Although the one thing that does is the fact that many times black men are non compliant and do not understand that the police have the authority to use force on anybody regardless of color. You cannot hide behind the color of your skin and claim racism when your holding a knife , refusing lawful orders and reaching into a car . The kid fucked up . thats all it is.
My input had zero to do with color.
It strictly was based on the video. No additional details which have come forth, no conviction records which have been subsequently unearthed. Just the video. I didn't even see a knife in the video. You are working backward using chatter that has taken place since the original posting and making the argument that I/we were using that in the original posts, which isn't the case.
I am skeptical of police, no question. Can't afford not to be. But I try to pass judgement only to the extent evidence supports.
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holdover
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Fair enough, But understand, what the officers did was within their training. Its a split second call . sometimes they're right some times they are not. George floyd is a perfect case in point. The officer murdered him and was charged with murder and no officer I know of defended him .
right is right and wrong is wrong.
right is right and wrong is wrong.
Blimey
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these ALL look bad on the surface.I watched the video. Looks bad on the surface. Unless he was reaching for a weapon in the car, the cops will likely have a problem. The cop fired like 7 shots at point blank range at his back while holding on to his shirt tail. Not sure how he is still alive unless the cop missed badly.
Of course, the Wisconsin governor chimed in. Even worse, as he is quoted, it reads like he has declared not just this cop, but cops in general to be killing black men regularly.
I spent time drinking in Kenosha when I was stationed at the Great Lakes Naval base in North Chicago nearby. It’s a rough blue collar area. It will be interesting to see what happens now. As of last night there were already signs of anger and violence beginning. And it is smack dab between Chicago and Milwaukee.
Police-involved shooting in Wisconsin prompts violent protest: report
Violent protests erupted after the shootingwww.foxnews.com
And in 95% of cases turns out that not only was the guy a multiple felon but probably reaching for a weapon.
this guy did not try and “get in his car”. He was bending down for something in the car.
Blimey
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its hard not to be biased when I see yet another video and it’s totally out of context. And when the truth comes out it turns out the cops behaved reasonably. After the lies of hands up don’t shoot I vowed not to be suckered again by the first version of a story.
FrankenCub
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What do you expect? A pillar of his community, just turned his life for the better. Can anyone honestly tell me if it were some trailer trash white cracker, would cars be on fire? Would bricks be thrown? I think not, criminal games win criminal prizes. I don't care who you are, we all bleed out red. Choose your fuckin lifestyle wisely and this shit won't go on.
I have said it before and I will continue to say it...
This is a cultural issue. Until cultures are altered in the US, this garbage will continue.
Might want to get up to speed on the latest facts of that case.
Good. Don't be suckered and fight to be objective. Words to live by.
spat
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Actually, when you shoot someone, the burden *is* on you to prove it was justified.
It's called an affirmative defense.
The prosecution just needs to prove you shot him, after that if you don't prove it was justified you are guilty.
The rules are *supposed* to be the same for cops too.
I am not saying this wasn't justified, just that it's on the person pulling the trigger to prove that it was.
If black lives actually mattered maybe BLM should educate the black community to obey lawful orders. That would actually save lives. Instead a large number of blacks have the mindset that if they get into police custody they will be killed. So they fight fight fight to try to prevent being arrested and ultimately end up where they thought they would have anyway. But BLM is all a scam so they have no interest in saving lives. Blacks are getting emboldened by the BLM scam that they fell for and think they are invincible now. Sadly this thug learned the hard way that he had been had by BLM and that the rules actually did apply to him.
I’m talking about the specific claim that the police were not acting in a proper manner and should not have had guns drawn to begin with. That was the claim based on no evidence. All of the officers in scene having their guns drawn does not support that theory to a reasonable person. Cops get the benefit of the doubt. Felons do not.
spat
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That's not how it's supposed to work.
You pull a gun on someone, you need to justify it.
Having a badge shouldn't make any difference.
That’s the real world. Go to court for a speeding ticket and insist 100 times you weren’t speeding. They ticket will stand because the police are sworn officers and they get the benefit of the doubt. In a world where the judge just says ok and throws it out and undermines the cop is a world with lawlessness. Here we have video proof of threatening actions and ignoring lawful orders that support the guns drawn. If these were his actions while on camera we can reasonably assume they were also going on before the camera started and the cops were justified in drawing. Having multiple cops drawing further supports this and adds to the threat level he posed.
spat
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Multiple officers with their guns drawn proves nothing.
One officer draws and the rest will automatically follow suit whether they have any personal knowledge of a reason why or not.
And that makes perfect sense. If you're an officer and you come on a scene with no prior knowledge, but you see another officer crouched behind his car with a gun pointed an what appears to be an empty building, you're going to do the same thing. That doesn't mean there's twice as much evidence that the building is dangerous than there was when the first officer was there.
From what I have seen in this case, there is ample evidence to support the officers actions, I just disagree with some of your reasoning why.
Shadow2
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Thats exactly how it works. THE COPS HAVE TO PROOVE THEY ARE IN THE RIGHT! It’s the entire basis of innocent until proven guilty. It’s an amazing concept. They could be 100% justified, but now they have to prove it to the jury. The notion police deserve the benefit of the doubt is ridiculous, Government has the burden of proof.
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There won’t be any jury. That’s not how any of this works.
holdover
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What did I miss?
Blimey
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Like I said.
www.dailymail.co.uk
Video shows Jacob Blake brawling with cops before he was shot
Video shows the events leading up to the shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old black man, though the footage is taken from the opposite angle of the other cell phone clip.
He had a 30% OVER the fatal dose of fentanyl in his system. It suggests he swallowed a handful of pills before the police encounter based on the timeline. (30 min for pills to dissolve and for OD to occur) He would have been dead whether he was sleeping on a cloud or restrained on the ground.
Blimey
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This is why I advise the crowds wait to riot until they know the facts. But the facts don’t matter hence the immediate rioting.
Excellent. Anyone would have been justified under the law in this case. “Reasonable person with reasonable fear”. If I’m attacked then the person reaches around in his car to retrieve something it is justified as I had the reasonable fear.Like I said.
Video shows Jacob Blake brawling with cops before he was shot
Video shows the events leading up to the shooting of Jacob Blake, a 29-year-old black man, though the footage is taken from the opposite angle of the other cell phone clip.
GOYABEAN
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Blimey
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The governor is a Democrat’s and the raging crowds yesterday rioted. And stole phones. His only reasonable response in such a situation is to condemn the cops. Just like the crowd: jump to conclusions.