Ammo background checks to begin mid-September?

[Acer-m14]

The first good lawsuit should be from people that passed a BGC for a gun yesterday (or as recently as possible), but get denied by the new BGC for ammo today. What would the states response to that be?

just standing there while the FFL is on the phone or computer is a Right Delayed ..

 

[Grimscale]

NYS Firearms Association Federal Lawsuit Filed Today!

https://www.newyorkstatefirearmsassociation.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/2023.09.13-NYSFA-v-Nigrelli-Complaint.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3omTf4ra6XmF1fsqxAMnArrK-afhNo_nXDUZvcWfS6uAHGIfZAa-hLrs8

Every argument made against the new ammo BGC can and should be used to fight gun BGCs.

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.

 

[tc556guy]

I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.

Not sure how they'll get away with that if they're doing the other ammo sale paperwork that's been required for the last year

 

[Saltwater60]

Mr Criminal now has to send someone to buy ammo. He send his squeeze to go to the store to get some 9mm but she is nit so smart and comes back with some 10mm as she got confused. Then they get screwed on no refunds on ammo.

However they get even more screwed when address used for the ammo is also in the parolee felon database where there should be no guns.

Then cross reference to pistol permits, no 9mm at that address.

I expect some action out of the system.

They will just get it shipped in from another state with the drugs or separately. Most won’t bother with having someone buy them ammo. The criminal next door will but gang members won’t.

 

[Saltwater60]

I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.

Not a chance. Remember the state holds their license and the state can revoke it. I’m sure that the state handles the pistol licensing for NYS and you need to have NYS approval to sell pistols, same with ammo. If they fail to do background checks they will no longer be able to sell guns and ammo in NYS.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.

 

[Deplorable Me]

Ammo background check call center, please hold.

 

[S&W Fan]

Ammo background check call center, please hold.
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That’s an insult to monkeys.

 

[S&W Fan]

 

[speedkills27]

I think FFLs will start just selling ammo background checks be damned. That's my prediction.

no way, the spirit of rebellion is dead in NY

 

[2WheelGnnr]

So can anyone that tried to buy ammo tell us their first hand experience trying to buy yesterday and with system down.

Did you get it or refused to sell........

I may go tomorrow to buy some just to experience it myself...gotta get some cash though......no CC's

 

[Jsmegs77]

Mr Criminal now has to send someone to buy ammo. He send his squeeze to go to the store to get some 9mm but she is nit so smart and comes back with some 10mm as she got confused. Then they get screwed on no refunds on ammo.

However they get even more screwed when address used for the ammo is also in the parolee felon database where there should be no guns.

Then cross reference to pistol permits, no 9mm at that address.

I expect some action out of the system.

I think we all know that will never, ever happen…. BUT Joe Random will try to get some .357 for his lever action Henry and pop up on the radar because he doesn’t have a pistol permit yet is obviously buying pistol ammo. I hope Joe’s yellow lab has a bulletproof vest.

 

[GNAP]

I bought 800 rounds of 22LR, yesterday, it took about 10 minutes from start to finish

 

[FP1201]

I bought 800 rounds of 22LR, yesterday, it took about 10 minutes from start to finish

How many customers and employees working?
Mom & Pop or Big Box?
Did you fill out and certify with your signature that the statements you made on the form are true and correct?
No judgement, only curiosity.

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

I did some calculations. If I bought ammo on average a couple dozen times a year, thats 60 bucks in the NY fee. Then the average of 10 min wait equates to about 4hrs of my life (assuming no delays, denials). I can shoot down to PA and back in same amount of time. The cost in gas would be cheaper too (also factoring in sales tax savings).

So background check nonsense aside, for those that purchase ammo frequently, it is cheaper and more timely to go out of state and get ammo. Thanks NY.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I’m a licensed FFL dealer and I have both my FFL and NYS dealers license. I ran an ammo background check on myself tonight (7:54 pm) to see how the system works. I am currently delayed . How is that even possible ? Is this a joke ? Think about that ..I can literally order cases of ammo from my distributors and have them shipped directly to my business but I get delayed to buy one box of 9mm ammo !?
This is disgusting

I was tempted to do the same. What did you put for serial number on the ammo? I am not sure about the alias name part. Not sure if that would include maiden name. And it has been 42 years since I used it.

I agree, it is disgusting!

Has anyone gone to a big box for ammo? Do they have a form cause there is not one anywhere that I can find. I am thinking it is log the info as it is still required and go from there. Asking the additional questions about military, name etc.

 

[CaliberPlus]

Here is the newest message on the sign in page.

An Interactive Voice Response (IVR) telephone solution is in the process of being implemented but will not be available until October. All National Instant Background Check ("NICS") transactions will need to be processed online.

Annnnd, I am having trouble getting beyond that page, again.

 

[tc556guy]

I was tempted to do the same. What did you put for serial number on the ammo? I am not sure about the alias name part. Not sure if that would include maiden name. And it has been 42 years since I used it.

I agree, it is disgusting!

Has anyone gone to a big box for ammo? Do they have a form cause there is not one anywhere that I can find. I am thinking it is log the info as it is still required and go from there. Asking the additional questions about military, name etc.

Our local gun club forwarded the members a copy of the form that ammo buyers are being asked to fill out.
Ironically, while NYS is replacing NICS for the background check, the form requests that you include a NICS UPIN number if you have one.

 

[jimc]

Here is the newest message on the sign in page.

An Interactive Voice Response (IVR) telephone solution is in the process of being implemented but will not be available until October. All National Instant Background Check ("NICS") transactions will need to be processed online.

Annnnd, I am having trouble getting beyond that page, again.

It's been 10 years since this system was mandated, and no one has setup the phone system? In the private sector, people would have been fired after a few weeks of missing a deadline.

 

[CaliberPlus]

I tried for about 45 min to do a ammo bgc, lots of glitches. I fianlly went to Incognito on Chrome and got it done. I did not put my maiden name in, sorry, I have to think about what it even is now, 42 years is a long time.
Had to put in Social Security number, not optional.
Street address and occupation are both mandatory.

I feel sick to my stomach.

ETA: I passed with "Congratulations"

 

[thisIslandEarth]

I tracked down the NYS NICS Hotline Headquarters. I took a picture of the place. I'm guessing you'll be on hold for awhile to get approval.

 

[Beerman]

I tried for about 45 min to do a ammo bgc, lots of glitches. I fianlly went to Incognito on Chrome and got it done. I did not put my maiden name in, sorry, I have to think about what it even is now, 42 years is a long time.
Had to put in Social Security number, not optional.
Street address and occupation are both mandatory.

I feel sick to my stomach.

Thanks for the update. Sounds like there’s a bit of a hurdle to jump over on the FFL’s side, but it’s possible to complete a sale with an approval. I’m willing to bet $5 there will be changes and other obstacles in the first few months. The annoyance, oppression, overreach and infringements will last well beyond that, I have no doubt. Ugh.

 

[Defilade]

Welcome to Australia!

 

[2WheelGnnr]

I tracked down the NYS NICS Hotline Headquarters. I took a picture of the place. I'm guessing you'll be on hold for awhile to get approval.

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Ahhh they leased the ol' homestead 2 on skinwalker ranch!! no glitches on those servers will occur.......

 

[Hochulsucks1234]

So with the email address requirement...they dont actually send anything to it, right? Because if I purchase a gun I plan to use a made up one.

 

[Beerman]

So with the email address requirement...they dont actually send anything to it, right? Because if I purchase a gun I plan to use a made up one.

Use NYSNICS@NYS.gov if you want. It won’t matter. They’ll still have your SSN, ph, address, d.o.b. and short & curlies.

 

[Saltwater60]

I tried for about 45 min to do a ammo bgc, lots of glitches. I fianlly went to Incognito on Chrome and got it done. I did not put my maiden name in, sorry, I have to think about what it even is now, 42 years is a long time.
Had to put in Social Security number, not optional.
Street address and occupation are both mandatory.

I feel sick to my stomach.

ETA: I passed with "Congratulations"

I will never u sweat and the occupation requirement. I still don’t for a pistol permit??

 

[Saltwater60]

So with the email address requirement...they dont actually send anything to it, right? Because if I purchase a gun I plan to use a made up one.

Wait you need your email address now? Well I guess they have it already for the pistol permit renewal since I did mine today and I received a follow up email.

 

[camper4lyfe]

So can anyone that tried to buy ammo tell us their first hand experience trying to buy yesterday and with system down.

Did you get it or refused to sell........

I may go tomorrow to buy some just to experience it myself...gotta get some cash though......no CC's

I saw a comment on Reddit where a FFL bought a box of .22 before he opened the shop for the day to see how the process would go. He wound up delayed 4 hours, and ultimately was denied. An FFL was denied to buy a box of .22. Let that sink in.

Edit: He wasn't denied.