eagleridge357
.223 Rem
Novelty Guns, Inc - RapidFire Trigger Attachments - RapidFire Trigger Activators - RapidFire Trigger Systems - RapidFire Triggers This guy is flirting with a chance to meet Bubba.
Any bets on how long before ATF knocks on this door?
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Celt
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I couldnt afford to shoot full auto anyway. The atf is another org that should be disbanded.
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eagleridge357
.223 Rem
Brings up the discussion of the fine line separating the meaning of full auto vs semi auto. One function of the trigger is full auto, but a legal device which allows a semi-auto to burp out 600-900 rds per minute is not? Methinks the dudes at ATF may be under pressure to re-evaluate their position on rapid fire. I take a neutral position on this. Just curious how long the rapid fire regs will stand without revisions? Seems as though one pull or several pulls of a trigger is a shaky way to glue a definition together.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
how do we know it's not an ATF sting? The website quality looks appropriate. The way it's constructed reminds me of some of the ads that appeared in the 1960's
C3D
.338 Win Mag
As of now the bumpfire and dual action trigger systems seem to be on the right side of ATF's view of what constitutes a machinegun under Federal law.
Under NY law you are taking a pretty big chance with this: for one, NY courts are not bound by ATF's interpretation of what is a machinegun for purposes of the Penal Law; and two, the Penal Law has a very pesky phrase that makes it illegal to possess a "weapon simulating a machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use". What that last phrase means I have no idea.
Under NY law you are taking a pretty big chance with this: for one, NY courts are not bound by ATF's interpretation of what is a machinegun for purposes of the Penal Law; and two, the Penal Law has a very pesky phrase that makes it illegal to possess a "weapon simulating a machine-gun and which is adaptable for such use". What that last phrase means I have no idea.
eagleridge357
.223 Rem
I may be wrong, but I read somewhere that the slide fire system caused a lot of ruckus at ATF when it first appeared. Every one scrambled to re-check and re-confirm their definitions. Simulating a machine gun is about the same as being a machine gun, if you ignore the definition, which is convenient to do if you are trying to push a point of fact. The ATF rulings are hanging by a thin thread of defintions. They could break at any time.
ProgSpear
.338 Win Mag
And wasting ammo truly is a crime.
C3D
.338 Win Mag
They famously reversed a ruling on one of the original bumpfire pioneers, Bill Akins. He had received approval from ATF to sell his stock, and then ATF revoked the ruling in 2006. They ended up confiscating the spring from every unit they found while Bill fought them in court. I believe Bill ultimately lost his legal challenge after spending a fortune to try and defeat them.
The later stocks are not much different, and ATF can reverse course on the others any time it feels like.
GUNSICK
6.5 Creedmoor
These guys have been selling their crap since the 70's, that's why it looks like that.
eagleridge357
.223 Rem
If full autos were legal, why would anyone need one?
I was about to edit that question, changing the word need, but I'll let it stand.
How about need, want, or have practical use for?
I was about to edit that question, changing the word need, but I'll let it stand.
How about need, want, or have practical use for?
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
same answer to a similar question......what part of acquiring guns has anything to do with need?
i do not "need" most anything i have except maybe food, water, shelter, and clothing.....
eagleridge357
.223 Rem
I knew I was in for it when I posed that question. I asked myself "If full auto were legal, would I get one?" I answered to myself "Self, I cannot really see any reason for the expense, other than to shoot many holes into some target, rapidly and somewhat inaccurately. Why not skip this one and invest in Silver bars instead?"
Catskillkid
.450/400 Nitro Ex
It's been said before and it deserves to be repeated...Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be a convenience store...not a government agency.
Jokes aside, sure I'd probably get a full auto gun if it were legal, though, if I were using it in full auto I'd probably have even less money than I do now.
Jokes aside, sure I'd probably get a full auto gun if it were legal, though, if I were using it in full auto I'd probably have even less money than I do now.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
professionals are trying to get away from rapid fire.
Even training is very selective and 3 burst is almost a standard unless you are talking about a gunner role for suppressing cover.
Faster shooting cannot compete with better marksman.
Even training is very selective and 3 burst is almost a standard unless you are talking about a gunner role for suppressing cover.
Faster shooting cannot compete with better marksman.
Eddie Gunks
.338 Win Mag
Har har har.
All i know is it is real fun. It gives me that stupid look everytime.
As noted above it does get expensive. I may go back on my personal choice of not using steel case ammo......
I have burst parts inbound.
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meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
nothing like spraying dinner plates at 25 yards weekend comando style.
I saw a guy at the range once who dumped 1K rounds in less than 10 minutes.
that barrel and block were ready for a pig roast.
...these folks are good business for you BG!!..... Its getting hot in here!! ... RATATATATATATATA!!!
keep the barrels coming and the moola rolling!
I saw a guy at the range once who dumped 1K rounds in less than 10 minutes.
that barrel and block were ready for a pig roast.
...these folks are good business for you BG!!..... Its getting hot in here!! ... RATATATATATATATA!!!
keep the barrels coming and the moola rolling!
BuellSix8
.40 S&W
Tacon4 trigger assemblies are 100% legal per atf as a bump fire trigger. Found everywhere.
Or you can go BG way and get the paperwork done lol
Or you can go BG way and get the paperwork done lol
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
That is, beyond any shadow of a doubt, the worst web site I have visited in at least five years. Still making people download video files like it's 2000, the formatting is beyond words, and the pictures aren't even scaled properly. It's amazing really how bad it is.
When I lived in Florida I was FFL/SOT. I had all sorts of full auto's. Even the die hard bolt gun and shotgun guys would giggle like little children when I would let them shoot full auto. It's fun, it's expensive and nobody "needs" it. It's not about needs its about wants. I still love doing full mag dumps with bump fire stocks. Wicked cheap entry way to experience simulated full auto with out the major expense of a full auto weapon
swilliams
6.5 Creedmoor
Right? Went through two boxes of 9mm in about five minutes the other day. I was having a blast, but remembered after the first box that I just quit my job. On the good side, I might finally have time to start reloading.
How does that thing work exactly? The price and the website suggest its garbage. Regarding the usefulness of full auto fire, for a civilian its a novelty. It burns expensive ammo much too quickly and wears the gun faster. Not to mention that we are legally responsible for every round we send out. Full automatic fire is useful for area target supression at fleeting/unseen targets or atbpoint blank range aginst fast moving targets, military usebin other words. Soldiers have have a supply line keeping them in ammo and guns.
I do like these binary trigger systems though, controlled rapid double taps does seem useful outside military applications.
I do like these binary trigger systems though, controlled rapid double taps does seem useful outside military applications.
Uzi
.308 Win
This shouldn't be illegal. Honestly though, the way you fire it is too much like a near useless bump fire with the secondary hand while your trigger hand floats on the pistol grip. The mechanism seems to just stop the trigger return all the way and gets rid of the take up before the trigger breaks; nothing special and would be STUPID easy and cheap to make yourself. It's not like it's bypassing the disconnect or something. No different than a bump fire stock legally speaking. The M11 one is totally pointless too, it's far too easy with their light no creep triggers to bump fire without any gimmicky BS.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms should be a convenience store. And they should also sell nightcrawlers.
My living is made by harvesting livestock to make food. We have tried several methods of dispatch but for the most humane way to kill a hog, cow or goat is a 22 rifle, a 45LC rifle or a 357 rifle.
Not full auto but I NEED a gun to live.
