Biden signs covid unemployment order .......

[spat]

Corporate tyranny. fuck that.

It's only tyranny for people who choose to work there.

I have turned down good jobs because I didn't like their requirements. Everyone should do it.

 

[holdover]

You don't require it.

The job requires it.

The employer decides what the job entails, if they say "vaccine required" then it's required.

Just like my current employer demands I disarm myself before entering company property.

They sign the paycheck so they make the rules. I can either accept that or find another employer.

what are they fucking medical experts now because they give you a paycheck? Your going to take it up the ass because your boss tells you to?

The employer cant decide jack fucking shit when it come to my body period . end of story. they have no authority under the law to tell you do do so.

 

[drowhawk]

So, you support forcing an employer to pay an employee who will not work ?

Never said that, nor was it implied.

 

[spat]

I am amazed how many avatars I see advocating that forced vaccination by an employer is OK. These are some of the same avatars that were up in arms about Trump & conservative censorship on social media. Sorry guys, can't have it both ways. Either you have constitutional rights or you don't. There's no "magical private property zone" that exempts companies from honoring your rights.

It's not forced anything.

It's a voluntary agreement.

"I'll pay you to take this vaccine"

"No, I want the pay, but not the vaccine..."

Should someone who signed up as a test subject for the vaccine be allowed to keep the cash if they back out too ?

 

[holdover]

It's only tyranny for people who choose to work there.

its only tyranny if your a Jew in Germany . WTF?

 

[spat]

what are they fucking medical experts now because they give you a paycheck? Your going to take it up the ass because your boss tells you to?

The employer cant decide jack fucking shit when it come to my body period . end of story. they have no authority under the law to tell you do do so.

You are correct. They have no authority to order you to do anything.

They only thing they can do is decide whether to continue paying you or not.

 

[spat]

its only tyranny if your a Jew in Germany . WTF?

Not even remotely the same thing.

If the Jews could have just turned in a resignation letter and told the NAZI's to go fuck themselves, *then* it would be a fair comparison.

 

[spat]

Never said that, nor was it implied.

It is an inescapable consequence of the policy you are advocating.

 

[holdover]

If the Jews could have just turned in a resignation letter and told the NAZI's to go fuck themselves, *then* it would be a fair comparison.
[/QUOTE]

Well you missed the point. the point being just because its not happening here doesn't make it OK

 

[holdover]

You are correct. They have no authority to order you to do anything.

They only thing they can do is decide whether to continue paying you or not.

That is correct. and now they can punish you for not complying to a thing they had no right to ask in the first place.

See: oppression.

 

[spat]

If the Jews could have just turned in a resignation letter and told the NAZI's to go fuck themselves, *then* it would be a fair comparison.

Well you missed the point. the point being just because its not happening here doesn't make it OK
[/QUOTE]
It *is* happening here.

The point is you can't force an employer to keep paying someone they no longer want to employ.

Just like you can’t force an employee to continue doing a job they no longer want to do.

Both are tyranny.

Liberty only exists when both parties are in voluntary agreement to the deal. Government coersion of either is tyranny.

 

[spat]

That is correct. and now they can punish you for not complying to a thing they had no right to ask in the first place.

See: oppression.

It's not "punishing you".

It's "we don't want to pay you to do stuff anymore, because you won't do the stuff we want done".

Should a porn star keep their job if they decide they don't want to have sex on camera anymore ?

Surely your argument would support that, an employer shouldn't be able to order you to have sex, right ?

 

[holdover]

It's not forced anything.

It's a voluntary agreement.

Now thats fucking rich. Its coercion.


coercion
noun [ U ]
formal

US

/koʊˈɝː.ʃən/ UK

/kəʊˈɜː.ʃən/

the use of force to persuade someone to do something that they are unwilling to do:

 

[drowhawk]

Spat: I disagree with your perspective on this wholly. Forcing an employee to wear a mask or comply with safety guidelines including wearing PPE is A LOT different than telling the employee what substances they must ingest to maintain employment. I'd agree with your mentality, so long as every company that EVER took a tax deduction, grant, incentive, or subsidy was exempt from the freedom to chose what chemicals goes into their employee's bodies.

You want to be a completely autonomous entity that is exempt from honoring the constitution? Fine. Absolutely no tax breaks and no corporate welfare for you.

 

[Jmac00]

If the employee is forced to leave by the employer's bullshit rules of tyranny then that's exactly what should be done. Matter of fact they should pay them severance pay on top.

WHY, WHO'S to say what rule is bullshit? unless you're the leading authority on bullshit. if the employer deemed it necessary to protect his company, and the people that work for him, and the rest of the employees agree, what makes one person special?

 

[holdover]

It's not "punishing you".

It's "we don't want to pay you to do stuff anymore, because you won't do the stuff we want done".

What! Your telling me I cant do the same job I did yesterday Ive been doing because I dont have a vaccination? Its not me telling you no. Its you telling me no . This is completely on the employer not the employee. and thats why they are responsible . thier demands regarding my body outside the scope of work is the problem . The problem isnt me not allowing you to fuck me with a stick

 

[spat]

Now thats fucking rich. Its coercion.


coercion
noun [ U ]
formal

US

/koʊˈɝː.ʃən/ UK

/kəʊˈɜː.ʃən/

the use of force to persuade someone to do something that they are unwilling to do:

By that reasoning all emploment is coersion.

I'm assuming you wouldn't be doing your job if you weren't getting paid right ?

Are they coercing you ?

 

[drowhawk]

WHY, WHO'S to say what rule is bullshit? unless you're the leading authority on bullshit. if the employer deemed it necessary to protect his company, and the people that work for him, and the rest of the employees agree, what makes one person special?

I guess I was woefully unaware that all employers are trained epidemiologists.

 

[holdover]

WHY, WHO'S to say what rule is bullshit? unless you're the leading authority on bullshit. if the employer deemed it necessary to protect his company, and the people that work for him, and the rest of the employees agree, what makes one person special?

when it comes to your body , its not thiers to do as they please. it should be self evident that everyone has a right to thier own body

 

[Jmac00]

What! Your telling me I cant do the same job I did yesterday Ive been doing because I dont have a vaccination? Its not me telling you no. Its you telling me no . This is completely on the employer not the employee. and thats why they are responsible . thier demands regarding my body outside the scope of work is the problem . The problem isnt me not allowing you to fuck me with a stick

LOL, so basically the employers has no rights. he has no responsibility to the rest of the company or the employees. its ALL about what you want regardless of anyone elses safety

 

[holdover]

Under what law does an employer have the right to your body?

 

[holdover]

LOL, so basically the employers has no rights. he has no responsibility to the rest of the company or the employees. its ALL about what you want regardless of anyone elses safety

No I didnt say that at all. when it comes to my body they have no rights whatsoever under the law.

 

[spat]

What! Your telling me I cant do the same job I did yesterday Ive been doing because I dont have a vaccination? Its not me telling you no. Its you telling me no . This is completely on the employer not the employee. and thats why they are responsible . thier demands regarding my body outside the scope of work is the problem . The problem isnt me not allowing you to fuck me with a stick

They altered the scope of work. It happens. You either do the new job, or find another employer.

Saw an employee once that swore she couldn't use the new computer system in a fortune 500 company because it used a mouse, and the antique system it was replacing was all text based.

They were not going keep an entire parallel infrastructure running so she didn't have to learn a new interface.

If your employer mandates some new PPE , either you wear the hat/mask/goggles/whatever or you find someone else to work for.

 

[drowhawk]

They altered the scope of work. It happens. You either do the new job, or find another employer.

Saw an employee once that swore she couldn't use the new computer system in a fortune 500 company because it used a mouse, and the antique system it was replacing was all text based.

They were not going keep an entire parallel infrastructure running so she didn't have to learn a new interface.

If your employer mandates some new PPE , either you wear the hat/mask/goggles/whatever or you find someone else to work for.

For the 100th time, PPE is not the same as forced vaccination.

 

[holdover]

They altered the scope of work.

No . That didnt happen. its the same job

 

[spat]

Under what law does an employer have the right to your body?

None.

By what right does an employee keep getting paid if they won't do the job the way the employer wants it done ?

 

[drowhawk]

None.

By what right does an employee keep getting paid if they won't do the job the way the employer wants it done ?

Unless you are a healthcare worker, there is no scientifically justifiable reason to force an employee to get vaccinated for a disease with a 99.95% survival rate.

 

[holdover]

None.

By what right does an employee keep getting paid if they won't do the job the way the employer wants it done ?

Thats correct. who said he wont do the job? He will do the job if he were not forced against his will to be vaccinated like a fucking animal

 

[Jmac00]

Under what law does an employer have the right to your body?

you're right, you are also free to go work where ever you want. like i said, when you were hired you agreed to the rules and regulations of the company. you have no right to tell the boss what he/she feels would be in the best interest or the safety of the company

 

[spat]

No . That didnt happen. its the same job

Nope.

The old job no longer exists.

The only job they have now requires a vaccination.

Just because you want to do things the old way doesn't mean they have to keep paying you.