Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Erie PA O.C. Advice
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BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Imagine pecking away at a key board writing all that in 2 posts..
Here is a hint.. no one is going to read that nonsense
Here is a hint.. no one is going to read that nonsense
never mind its copy pasta... original statement stands. Wasted your time no-one is going to read your nonsense
I didn't write it. Thats why it's in a quote box.
It gives very compelling arguments from some of the top defensive people in the country, including references to Ayoob's book, "In the Gravest Extreme".
It goes into the 5 stages of violent crime, by Marc MacYoung. It explains how the deterrent effect works.
It explains how you don't need to wait to already be attacked to react, if the attack is interrupted to begin with.
But you've decided to celebrate your ignorance and act like it makes you a better person
"ReAdInG iS fOr FoOls!!"
As said numerous times. There are different places and situations. I am not for or against OC or CC 100% of the time.
Each person should do as they wish depending on their comfort and location and other factors.
I didn't write it. Thats why it's in a quote box.
It gives very compelling arguments from some of the top defensive people in the country, including references to Ayoob's book, "In the Gravest Extreme".
It goes into the 5 stages of violent crime, by Marc MacYoung. It explains how the deterrent effect works.
It explains how you don't need to wait to already be attacked to react, if the attack is interrupted to begin with.
But you've decided to celebrate your ignorance and act like it makes you a better person
"ReAdInG iS fOr FoOls!!"
As said numerous times. There are different places and situations. I am not for or against OC or CC 100% of the time.
Each person should do as they wish depending on their comfort and location and other factors.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
"Copy pasta."
I too would bury my head in the sand if my ignorance was dismantled quickly by an article and backed up by experts in the field. It's best to just ignore it. Again, move along and people will do as they wish. You aren't the OC police and don't actually know half off what you think you do. When you refuse to read and learn then there is not anything I can do to help educate you. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
You cannot intelligently dispute every point I made. I read some of that nonsense you copied and pasted. Not all. Too much drivel. I stopped where the author says that there is no evidence that you will not be a target since I already disputed that. Open carriers do not do so in bad neighborhoods. They do so in good neighborhoods for the most part and the ones that do so in bad neighborhoods like cops and security wear armor for a reason.
Also, the other drivel that’s laughable is when he says that an open carrier will have an easier time against a concealed carrier on the draw. As if two carriers are standing there waiting to draw on one another. Quite laughable.
Also, the other drivel that’s laughable is when he says that an open carrier will have an easier time against a concealed carrier on the draw. As if two carriers are standing there waiting to draw on one another. Quite laughable.
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Imagine thinking I give a fuck if you OC
You stating your opinion on here doesn't hold any water. It is merely your personal opinion. What you say isn't automatically fact, even though you seem to think it is.
I have said countless times now, "not 100% of the time, different places and situations".
How Chevusa feels after open carrying in a state that its 100% legal to do so
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Funny you'd almost think so. Some here are shitting their pants at the thought and think there are snipers on the roof to take you out!
Elwood
.223 Rem
Let him do what makes him feel good. All he’s really doing is making himself a target. He clearly doesn’t understand the mindset of the criminal element, nor of law enforcement and security personnel that will focus on him and his pistol, and not give 2 shits about his opinion while their assessing if he’s a threat or just a political activist.
concealed is done for a reason.He obviously doesn’t grasp the concept.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
it's not an opinion. What exactly did I say that is an opinion?
Everything you type here is your personal opinion. It carries no more weight than anyone else's. You seem to think that things are facts just because you say so.
There are opinions for and against OC. There is however no data that shows OC persons are targeted or attacked any more than anyone else. The data simply does not exist. There is also no data that someone was going to rob a place then saw an OC and decided not to. A criminal is simply not going to call and report that he was about to rob the place then decided not to. It doesn't happen. They just move on and nobody knew what they had planned. We do know that banks for example do have an armed guard who is OC and that acts as a deterrent.
All people look at things as risk/reward. It is human nature. Even simple thief's have a plan in their head of how it's going to go down. When they arrive and see a weapon and know that person is prepared to use it, the plan unravels. They didn't imagine that.
If you CC they will act upon the plan and you will be forced to REACT. Where if they didn't go through with their plans in the first place because they saw OC, you have avoided it altogether, and that is the entire point. It is not to get in a fantasy world of pulling a secret gun and saving the day. We don't want to even go there.
So as I said, different places and situations are going to have different carry methods. Each person can choose what they wish. It is not your decision to make, and you are not the absolute authority on the matter, no matter how much you think you know. It is a personal preference. If the inherent danger was so extreme as you imply, you would see people gunned down every day, yet we don't. Actually it almost NEVER happens.
Elwood
.223 Rem
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Umm. No. Go point by point on my post and tell me which points are opinions. Just because you say so, that doesn’t make it so.
I’ll be waiting for you to dispute each of my points specifically and tell me how they are opinions.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
No haha’s. Dispute my points. Put up or shut up.
It's all in the previous posts, with cites from experts.
As said, just because you have an opinion doesn't make it a fact. You came back to counter me by saying the same thing to me trying to flip it around. It doesn't work that way. "I know you are but what am I?" Stop dancing. You made the claims. Prove them. Show me the hard data. I'll be waiting for your through report.
One of my favorite parts is how in your ramblings you had to resort to dreaming up me getting into a fight/argument with a store attendant. Lol. Talk about a reach. I haven't done that once in my life and I don't plan on starting now.
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
NO. Go point by point.
You made the claims. Back them up. Wheres the impartial data?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
That's not how it works. I responded to your post with specific points. It's now your turn to dispute each point. You won't though because you cannot. That's what you do in every thread when your back is against the wall. That's why I didn't even want to respond to you. Instead you post a long, drawn out BS article that has nothing to do with the points I clearly made to you. Now you want to say that I have to back them up? What's to back up? They are facts.
Tell me how my points are wrong or not facts. Until you do, everything else from you is drivel and deflection and everyone here knows it.You didn't respond for days because you had nothing. Just like on the other thread when I had to post a video to show that you were clearly wrong.
masterswimmer
.450/400 Nitro Ex
@Marine Cpl I stopped wasting my time on him a couple pages back. You're just a bit slower on the uptake.
That is exactly how it doesn't work.There is no point in disputing things that you cannot or did not prove. They are just your personal opinions and therefore cannot be debated factually. Prove them to be so with independent data and then we may continue. Cuz you say so doesn't cut it.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Guess I will have to take your suggestion Master Swimmer and bow out. He just deflected again and will continue to do so. For an argumentative guy, he cannot even dispute what he says are opinions to make me look bad.
I have no concern with someone "looking at me". Everywhere you go people look at you. There is no expectation of privacy in public, and I'm confident enough to not be uneasy by someone "looking at me".
I don't get into arguments with anyone. Ever. You should not do so either even when you CC.
Not a problem, because I will. If you are unwilling to use your weapon then you should not be carrying one. Maybe re-think what you are doing and if carrying a gun is for you.
You could be. You could also be targeted for driving a nice car so should we all drive shitty old cars to reduce our chances of being robbed? Most people are going to want an easy target and move on. This is cited and explained throughly in the previous postings, using expert opinions. It is all risk/reward. If what you claim actually happened with any frequency, there would be stories on it daily, however there is not.
More pure speculation backed by no facts. It simply doesn't happen. A holstered firearm is no threat to anyone. Follow instructions and you will be fine. Police know citizens open carry. They are briefed and trained on it and have procedures to follow regarding it to limit legal problems for their agencies. (Such document has been posted here by me).
Again most will always take the easy target. Part of OC is situational awareness. They go hand in hand. If this happened often why no stories of police being robbed of their guns or wallets? Almost no thief is willing to die to rob someone. They want no resistance.
See previous postings with facts and opinions from experts. They do not agree with your opinion.
You seem to be very confused of the difference between undercover police and plain clothed police. They are not the same and do not carry the same. Undercover are people to blend in. Their open firearm could give them away. That's why they don't. Plain clothed are not wearing uniforms but do carry openly, usually with a badge on their belt.
In no instance above did you provide any facts or information. Simply your own personal opinions. I have responded and dismantled every opinion you posted. I will not respond further as you want to go round and round trying to repeat your feelings until someone believes them as facts. You are free to do and think what you want. They are all personal preferences. You are dismissed.
BDinPutnam
.475 A&M Magnum
Turtles are cool though.