This is how I feel about the VP9 and what HK started with the side and rear backstraps
For the p365 haters - Glock 43X
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This is how I feel about the VP9 and what HK started with the side and rear backstraps
Well everyone has different hands. A gun can be great for one person and anus for the next.
My own hands are pretty weird, I got size XL palms with size L length fingers. When I buy gloves I have the choice of buying very tight Ls that are a bitch to get on or size XL that fit better but I have a lot of extra floppy length at the finger tips which destroy any dexterity.
In gun terms this means despite having big old hands I run the smallest backstraps possible.
My own hands are pretty weird, I got size XL palms with size L length fingers. When I buy gloves I have the choice of buying very tight Ls that are a bitch to get on or size XL that fit better but I have a lot of extra floppy length at the finger tips which destroy any dexterity.
In gun terms this means despite having big old hands I run the smallest backstraps possible.
Ohes! I think S&W made sure to mimic the G19's dimensions as close as possible.
And if I wasnt so invested in my 19s and was in the market for a new carry gun the 2.0 compact would have gotten a hella for realzy look
I still wanna try the full size M&Ps. Think they are good looking pistols. And I really like the way the Shield feels in the hand.
Shield feels very good, PPQ feels incredible, Glock feels like ass but I shoot it best.
Fuck if I know!
Oh no I think the M&P is a great looking gun, bore axis isnt stupid high, grip texter is on point. Trigger is absolute trash but APEX so that's an easy fix as well
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
What's your theory on why you shoot it best? When I had my 1911, it felt good in my hand but for some reason I can shoot the Glock better and I don't know why. Even with slow fire when recoil wasn't an issue.
Ok so glock fails again in the concept and execution department (will not fail in sales, they will sell all of them because 
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Here we will have essentially a single stack G19 but with the slide of a G43. Glock should have just gone all in and made a single stack G19.
This 43x (speculation) is only 5mm shorter than the 19, say you want to add a +1 or even a +2 to get up with the P365 (by the time this comes out sig may finally have that thing worked out), one of the shortest +1 base pads I believe out there is the Taran Tactical, it adds 1/8 inch in height or 3.175mm (they dont list the +2 or +3 height) but I'll guess the +2 is going to put it right at the same height or even taller than a G19.
So what you may say, well adding all this grip lenght but keeping a super short slide makes no sense, might as well keep the slide longer as well and call it a single stack G19
)Here we will have essentially a single stack G19 but with the slide of a G43. Glock should have just gone all in and made a single stack G19.
This 43x (speculation) is only 5mm shorter than the 19, say you want to add a +1 or even a +2 to get up with the P365 (by the time this comes out sig may finally have that thing worked out), one of the shortest +1 base pads I believe out there is the Taran Tactical, it adds 1/8 inch in height or 3.175mm (they dont list the +2 or +3 height) but I'll guess the +2 is going to put it right at the same height or even taller than a G19.
So what you may say, well adding all this grip lenght but keeping a super short slide makes no sense, might as well keep the slide longer as well and call it a single stack G19
Then you need to try the whole "P" line up from CZ. My favorite gun ergonomic wise now is my P10C. The P10S would be a direct replacement for the 26.
Only in pictures.
If you are on the facebooks shooks customs he has a 10F and he verified that the 10F slide fits on the 10c frame... and then tossed the 10C slide with Primary Machine comp on the 10F frame
Don't do FB. The game plan is to hopefully pick up both the F and S "US" versions which are milled for a red dot adapter. I may play with customizing the F someday but my C and eventually S would see carry time so other than a HBI trigger wouldn't have much work done to them.
And now I cant find the pictures
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
Ok so glock fails again in the concept and execution department (will not fail in sales, they will sell all of them because
Here we will have essentially a single stack G19 but with the slide of a G43. Glock should have just gone all in and made a single stack G19.
This 43x (speculation) is only 5mm shorter than the 19, say you want to add a +1 or even a +2 to get up with the P365 (by the time this comes out sig may finally have that thing worked out), one of the shortest +1 base pads I believe out there is the Taran Tactical, it adds 1/8 inch in height or 3.175mm (they dont list the +2 or +3 height) but I'll guess the +2 is going to put it right at the same height or even taller than a G19.
So what you may say, well adding all this grip lenght but keeping a super short slide makes no sense, might as well keep the slide longer as well and call it a single stack G19
I think that's just semantics. They likely could've called it either one. Maybe instead of muddying the waters with yet another 19 variant, update the 43 which is seemingly getting long in the tooth.
What I'm getting at is the fact that they are keeping the small sight radius and barrel length for no reason
Doc8404
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Similar. I usually only take the 19 when I carry OWB four wheeling or otherwise outdoors. EDC is Walther PPS with either 6 or 8 depending on clothing.
Just wish it wasn’t the paddle mag release.
Justincase
6.5 Creedmoor
Gotcha, but most single stacks have the more compact barrels, hence iteration of the 43 i guess
Exactly why I'm not a fan of the 19X. There may be some instances where the shorter slide is more comfortable to wear but for my purposes (CCW or range use) I don't see a purpose.
Kahr cw9
19x and G45 concept is actually really good for a military or LEO duty gun and in some small small instances of CC but limited people would make it work.
But as a dedicated gun especially something like this either do a single stack G19 or admit that the G43 lost the micro 9 battle (not in sales but execution of concept)
Actually I have better sights on the Glock. The Henie Straights 8s have a nice thin post up front and a backed out rear with a narrowish notch that allows just a slice of daylight on either side theough. Very good for precision. On the PPQ I have Trijicon HDs which use a big fat front post and big fat dots. The Shield still has the stock sights.
Also the Glock shoots very flat and my sight picture is accordingly disrupted less.
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Now I will be very interested in what the 43x is going to weigh.
Crunched some more numbers but this time with the g26.
G43 weight..... 16.64oz or 1.04lb
G26 weight..... 21.70oz or 1.35lbs
Difference of... 5.06oz or 0.31lbs
***edit*** cause width.
So the 43x is supposedly adding 4mm to the width
That would make it only 2mm thinner than a G26
So if this G43 comes close to being 5oz more than the standard G43 what's even the point. You will have a gun that would essentially be
1) 5mm shorter than a G19
2) 2mm thinner than the 17/22 19/23 26/27 and so on
3) taller than a G26 by 17mm (the G43 is already taller by 2mm)
4) same capacity as a G26
And speculation below
5) the same or close to same weight as a G26.
So now I wonder what is the advantage of this over a 26.
I can 100% see the advantages of a P365 over a G26. But the 43x seems to bring nothing to the table
Crunched some more numbers but this time with the g26.
G43 weight..... 16.64oz or 1.04lb
G26 weight..... 21.70oz or 1.35lbs
Difference of... 5.06oz or 0.31lbs
***edit*** cause width.
So the 43x is supposedly adding 4mm to the width
That would make it only 2mm thinner than a G26
So if this G43 comes close to being 5oz more than the standard G43 what's even the point. You will have a gun that would essentially be
1) 5mm shorter than a G19
2) 2mm thinner than the 17/22 19/23 26/27 and so on
3) taller than a G26 by 17mm (the G43 is already taller by 2mm)
4) same capacity as a G26
And speculation below
5) the same or close to same weight as a G26.
So now I wonder what is the advantage of this over a 26.
I can 100% see the advantages of a P365 over a G26. But the 43x seems to bring nothing to the table
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Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I would but I've invested into the Glock platform with the Ruger PCC and enough magazines. I don't want another platform and magazines to go along with it.
At the end of day, I look at it like this. Is it the most comfortable in the hand? No. Will I hold it in my hand all day? No. It'll be in my holster's hand. Let him deal with holding it all day. When I do need to use it for the minute long encounter on the street or the hour long session at the range, can I shoot it accurately? Yes. Does it fatigue my hand? No. Then stop bitching William. It works for you.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And since this thread title says "For the 365 haters", here is some potential hate. Potential because I've never held a 365 in my hands. I have small hands. This is what it looks like when I grip a 26.
Notice the left thumb. It's about a centimeter away from the muzzle. The 365 is about a centimeter shorter so I would have to adjust my grip. I can't imagine what all the people with "Ham Hands" have to do to grip the pistol.
Of course the Glock 26's grip could be a little thinner but I think they got the barrel length right. Sometimes too small could be a bad thing especially when it doesn't really matter and the barrel is in your waistband.
Notice the left thumb. It's about a centimeter away from the muzzle. The 365 is about a centimeter shorter so I would have to adjust my grip. I can't imagine what all the people with "Ham Hands" have to do to grip the pistol.
Of course the Glock 26's grip could be a little thinner but I think they got the barrel length right. Sometimes too small could be a bad thing especially when it doesn't really matter and the barrel is in your waistband.
gun_slinger_boy
.338 Win Mag
Was your 1911 in the blasphemous 9mm caliber? If not it's kind of apples to oranges. If so then no clue. And shame on you for having a 9mm 1911.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It was a .45. Colt Series 70. I carried it for years. Became a Safe Queen after wanting something smaller and realizing that the .45 sucks for hard barrier penetration.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I was years ago.You surprise me Will. I had you down for a tea cup shooter.
You guys make me laugh...
Haters will hate no matter what...
Here in NYS we do not have an ideal carry gun. Yea there are plenty of micro pocket pistols, which are great to conceal but not my favorite to shoot. IMO the glock 19 is a lot of pistol to carry around for 10 rounds, now if you could carry the 15 round mags it would be worth it. The G26 works and easy enough to hide but the grip is too short for my liking and it is kinda thick and heavy. So, I would love a thinner, lighter pistol with a little more grip.
As far as I am concerned there is no ideal 10 round carry pistol, so I say bring it. At the end of the day if its not for you then dont buy it. I would think that any gun enthusiast would be happy to see more offerings. After all do you guys want companies like Glock to stop bringing out new offerings?
I am sorry for the poor thread title, I missed on that one for sure.
Haters will hate no matter what...
Here in NYS we do not have an ideal carry gun. Yea there are plenty of micro pocket pistols, which are great to conceal but not my favorite to shoot. IMO the glock 19 is a lot of pistol to carry around for 10 rounds, now if you could carry the 15 round mags it would be worth it. The G26 works and easy enough to hide but the grip is too short for my liking and it is kinda thick and heavy. So, I would love a thinner, lighter pistol with a little more grip.
As far as I am concerned there is no ideal 10 round carry pistol, so I say bring it. At the end of the day if its not for you then dont buy it. I would think that any gun enthusiast would be happy to see more offerings. After all do you guys want companies like Glock to stop bringing out new offerings?
I am sorry for the poor thread title, I missed on that one for sure.