Lets talk Red Dots on handguns

[MikeyCNY]

Ready for the next optic-related item you didn't know you needed?

Wish they made optics in colors than black (and occasionally tan)?

Holosun 509T/509T X2 - Optic Wrap in Cordura Fabric

(Shown in Multicam Black and Olive Drab Green - ODG) Please note: Does not fit the new gen 509T models with the ACSS reticle as they have different bodies. Looking to protect your optics and tactical gear? Precision laser pre-cut adhesive backed wrap. Peel and stick application. If you can apply...

www.rangerwrap.com

Sigh.. ordered one for my 507k and 509t (Ranger Green).

 

[Edwardteach72]

 

[MikeyCNY]

Interesting.. haven't been following the gun news lately, so just looking at the preview pic I assumed it was a 509t/ACRO (closed emitter) competitor, but it has an add-on shroud. Aaron put it through its paces and highly recommends.

He didn't mention price, and the SIG site only lists MSRP ($659+).

 

[Podmonkey]

He didn't mention price, and the SIG site only lists MSRP ($659+).

Ouch.

 

[togmaster]

No recoil lugs and not a sealed emitter. Just my opinion.

 

[1075tech]

I should have the 509 early next week. We'll see how it looks and fits. I'm thinking it might get a better fit (aesthetically) with an aftermarket plate but we'll see

Looking like I'll be better off with an aftermarket plate. The only two that I can find that will likely work are CH and Springer Precision.

Any more that you are aware of? @Edwardteach72 @Will556

 

[Edwardteach72]

Looking like I'll be better off with an aftermarket plate. The only two that I can find that will likely work are CH and Springer Precision.

Any more that you are aware of? @Edwardteach72 @Will556

Sadly I'm not sure

 

[Dr. Evil]

Looking like I'll be better off with an aftermarket plate. The only two that I can find that will likely work are CH and Springer Precision.

Any more that you are aware of? @Edwardteach72 @Will556

Not sure if they make one for the gun you have but I ordered one of these for my Glock 43X MOS. DPP Titanium Mounting kit/Plate/Adapter Compatible with Glock Trijicon RMR/SRO&Holosun 407C507C/508T (Aluminum) | Pricepulse

 

[Newguyhere]

So, when the screws on your Hellcat SMSC start to loosen up on your first outing, should I use blue loctite again or is there any better options? I did not have a torque screwdriver so I had just tightened them hand tight.

 

[Will556]

So, when the screws on your Hellcat SMSC start to loosen up on your first outing, should I use blue loctite again or is there any better options? I did not have a torque screwdriver so I had just tightened them hand tight.

Take the mounting screws out completely. Thoroughly clean them and scrape, brush, remove everything from inside the threads. Try and clean the threads on the pistol itself also. Use some acetone or brake cleaner to 100% degrease male and female threads. Once everything is cleaned and dry, then put a little blue Loctite on the screws and torque them down to spec with an actual in-lb torque wrench.

 

[Edwardteach72]

should I use blue loctite again or is there any

Yes.. also torq down to manufacture specs... do both of these then use oil pen to make witness marks

 

[togmaster]

Let the locktite dry overnight before you use the gun. 24 hours is recommended.

 

[BMF JK]

So, when the screws on your Hellcat SMSC start to loosen up on your first outing, should I use blue loctite again or is there any better options? I did not have a torque screwdriver so I had just tightened them hand tight.

Absolutely invest in a torque wrench , you’ll be amazed how well fasteners work when properly torqued .

 

[Phazer]

Absolutely invest in a torque wrench , you’ll be amazed how well fasteners work when properly torqued .

Wheeler Manual Firearms Accurizing Torque Wrench with Inch/Pounds Measurement, Bits and Storage Case for Scope Mounting, Gunsmithing and Maintenance https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012AXR4S/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_9FHQC1Z58XWM4NVWG8WG

 

[Newguyhere]

I know it is time to get the Wheeler wrench but I keep telling myself I will get it later.

 

[Will556]

Wheeler Manual Firearms Accurizing Torque Wrench with Inch/Pounds Measurement, Bits and Storage Case for Scope Mounting, Gunsmithing and Maintenance https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0012AXR4S/ref=cm_sw_r_apan_i_9FHQC1Z58XWM4NVWG8WG

I’ve got a decent amount of tools specific to working on firearms. I use my FAT Wrench a lot. There’s plenty of screws and fasteners that should be getting torqued to spec. Fix It Sticks is another set that works well too. If you ever start really torquing things down properly, you’ll learn real quick how many things are manufactured improperly.

 

[tlj000]

Let the locktite dry overnight before you use the gun. 24 hours is recommended.

Maybe different types cure differently, but I'm not a fan of letting it dry. Blue Loctite cures in an anaerobic environment and the presence of metal ions. Try it on a clean nut and bolt. If the threads are sealed off from air it cures in just a minute or two.

Loctite instructions
Applied to one or two threads before assembly, LOCTITE® threadlockers push the air between the threads out as the fastener is tightened. The anaerobic threadlocker material cures in the absence of air to form a strong, thermoset plastic that locks threads and joints in place.

 

[Will556]

Maybe different types cure differently, but I'm not a fan of letting it dry. Blue Loctite cures in an anaerobic environment and the presence of metal ions. Try it on a clean nut and bolt. If the threads are sealed off from air it cures in just a minute or two.

Loctite instructions
Applied to one or two threads before assembly, LOCTITE® threadlockers push the air between the threads out as the fastener is tightened. The anaerobic threadlocker material cures in the absence of air to form a strong, thermoset plastic that locks threads and joints in place.

I don’t think he meant to let the blue Loctite dry on the screws for a day before torquing then down. I think he meant to allow the blue loctite to completely cure after installation.

 

[tlj000]

I don’t think he meant to let the blue Loctite dry on the screws for a day before torquing then down. I think he meant to allow the blue loctite to completely cure after installation.

My mistake

 

[1075tech]

Looking like I'll be better off with an aftermarket plate. The only two that I can find that will likely work are CH and Springer Precision.

Any more that you are aware of? @Edwardteach72 @Will556

After reading as many reviews on as many different sites as I could find, I went with the Springer Precision plate.

It fits tight. Actually had to snap it in place. About half the thickness of the plate that comes with the Holosun.

Got it mocked up. I'll get the loc-tite on it and try to get it sighted in on Saturday

 

[Defilade]

After reading as many reviews on as many different sites as I could find, I went with the Springer Precision plate.

It fits tight. Actually had to snap it in place. About half the thickness of the plate that comes with the Holosun.

Got it mocked up. I'll get the loc-tite on it and try to get it sighted in on Saturday

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Was the flat faced trigger something you installed?

 

[1075tech]

Was the flat faced trigger something you installed?

Yes. Ordered that with the slide.

 

[Edwardteach72]

After reading as many reviews on as many different sites as I could find, I went with the Springer Precision plate.

It fits tight. Actually had to snap it in place. About half the thickness of the plate that comes with the Holosun.

Got it mocked up. I'll get the loc-tite on it and try to get it sighted in on Saturday

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I have personal reasons why I think you went with the better of 2 companies, but I will keep that to myself

 

[1075tech]

I have personal reasons why I think you went with the better of 2 companies, but I will keep that to myself

Mostly the better reviews. Those were the only two options I could find. Being cheaper didn't hurt either. But fill me in...

 

[Edwardteach72]

Mostly the better reviews. Those were the only two options I could find. Being cheaper didn't hurt either. But fill me in...

C&h as a company now is one I cannot in good conscience recommend to anyone (both QC and CS).. I got lucky and my V4 plate has/is working and no issues but I cannot wait for the ACRO to be available and I can 100% throw my C&H in the trash

 

[1075tech]

C&h as a company now is one I cannot in good conscience recommend to anyone (both QC and CS).. I got lucky and my V4 plate has/is working and no issues but I cannot wait for the ACRO to be available and I can 100% throw my C&H in the trash

While I didn't find much about Springer, what I did find was positive.

CH? Complaints about warped plates, plates that didn't fit, plates that were sent instead of the ones ordered, etc.. In most cases, CS was poor. Sent you the wrong plate (not the one you ordered), you pay the shipping and we'll replace it.

There were a lot of positive reviews as well, but enough negative to make me question them.

And even though Springer said 7-10 days shipping, I had it in 4.

It seems like it will be properly supported. The 320 slide has a little undercut at the forward portion of the cut. The plate has a tab that slides in that. I had to snap it into place. There is no gap.

I should be able to try it out on Saturday

 

[MikeyCNY]

Only 4 minutes in - interesting sight (Solar Charging only, no replaceable battery).

 

[1075tech]

I should be able to try it out on Saturday

Welp crap. Indoor range at the LGS is closed 1st Saturday of the month. That's the day they have their CCW class.

Maybe next weekend when I'm up visiting

 

[Defilade]

Yummy!

 

[GOPerfect]

Twenty yards with my red dotted Sig P320. Not too bad...