Lockport lawyer captured on video trying to prevent daughter's DWI arrest

[GOPerfect]

Don't act all crazy like I'm saying there shouldn't be laws. What I'm saying is that there shouldn't be laws based on revenue. If I'm not drunk, I shouldn't be charged with being drunk. There's a big difference.

So, you think the only reason we have laws against drunk driving is for revenue?

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have heard many that, after arrested, said they were not drunk. So, you and you alone should decide how much you can drink prior to driving?

Alright, now you are being ridiculous. Go and totally ignore what I said about reckless endangerment and field sobriety tests.

What's happened to you? I'm mean really. You weren't like this at Gander.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So, you think the only reason we have laws against drunk driving is for revenue?

Yes. It was added when there were already laws that covered that on the books. Then throughout the years, the limits got lower.

 

[GOPerfect]

Alright, now you are being ridiculous. Go and totally ignore what I said about reckless endangerment and field sobriety tests.

What's happened to you? I'm mean really. You weren't like this at Gander.

I have always held strong views on Drunk Driving. Always. When I was an MP, I prided myself on how many Apprehensions I made for that crime. I was good at it. I found them all the time. No use at all.

This is not a change because of my current job.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I have always held strong views on Drunk Driving. Always. When I was an MP, I prided myself on how many Apprehensions I made for that crime. I was good at it. I found them all the time. No use at all.

This is not a change because of my current job.

Ok then. In that case, I've always disagreed with you then and I will continue to disagree with you because you support arbitrary laws that do not truly measure if someone is impaired or not.

If it could save one life?

 

[GOPerfect]

I love conversation and civil disagreements. Especially when the other guy is wrong!

 

[Marine Cpl]

I love conversation and civil disagreements. Especially when the other guy is wrong!

That's your wrong opinion. What gives you the right to arrest someone for being drunk when they are not? And don't say the NY Legislature.

They also say that having a rifle with a muzzle device is crime for safety.

And don't say that driving is not a right. It is. It just isn't specifically protected by the Constitution.

 

[GOPerfect]

I stand my my Oath to the Constitution.

The "Right" that I have to make arrests is based on my employment. I am sworn to uphold the laws. As long as those laws do not interfere with my Oath. I have never broken my Oath. That is really all that matters.

 

[spat]

And now she gets one and her dream of working with the FBI is gone. What did that teach her? At the end of the day, nothing. In fact, it may make her not give a damned anymore.

I'm not saying she should get off. I'm just throwing out the other angle.

So, what you'r really saying is that the punishment for that crime is out of whack. I'd say most are. But, the only reason her FBI dream is shot is because the FBI has someone else who wants that same job, who is just as qualified as her, but *didn't* drive drunk, so why shouldn't that guy get it instead ?.

 

[spat]

I am against the revenue part as well...

I think ALL convicted of Drunk Driving should spend a decent amount of time in jail!!

Only if the criteria for being "drunk" is raised to a level where you are really impaired.

 

[GOPerfect]

Only if the criteria for being "drunk" is raised to a level where you are really impaired.

I'll run with that. What should that level be? I know that I do not have the answer.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'll run with that. What should that level be? I know that I do not have the answer.

It should be when you are pulled over for driving reckless and then fail a field sobriety test.

 

[spat]

I stand my my Oath to the Constitution.

The "Right" that I have to make arrests is based on my employment. I am sworn to uphold the laws. As long as those laws do not interfere with my Oath. I have never broken my Oath. That is really all that matters.

Your employment gives you the power. It does not give you the right. The origin of the right is a bit more complex, but if you *do* have it, then everybody has it, since the government can't delegate a power to you that wasn't delegated to them by the populace.

 

[GOPerfect]

It should be when you are pulled over for driving reckless and then fail a field sobriety test.

I take it that you do not know what the law says about Reckless Driving?

 

[GOPerfect]

Your employment gives you the power. It does not give you the right. The origin of the right is a bit more complex, but if you *do* have it, then everybody has it, since the government can't delegate a power to you that wasn't delegated to them by the populace.

It is after midnight, that is a deep philisophical thought. Pretty deep thoughts this late at night.

I was only using the words thrown my way.

 

[Marine Cpl]

So, what you'r really saying is that the punishment for that crime is out of whack. I'd say most are. But, the only reason her FBI dream is shot is because the FBI has someone else who wants that same job, who is just as qualified as her, but *didn't* drive drunk, so why shouldn't that guy get it instead ?.

He or she should if he scored higher but it shouldn't be an automatic failure of the investigation.

You get a girl that aces the test, physical, ect and then someone who wasn't supposed to make that class of 50 recruits gets in because he got a 90 and didn't get caught while she got a 100 in everything.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I take it that you do not know what the law says about Reckless Driving?

No.

 

[GOPerfect]

No.

It is just that you keep saying over and over that the Reckless Driving law is all we need.

 

[GOPerfect]

He or she should if he scored higher but it shouldn't be an automatic failure of the investigation.

You get a girl that aces the test, physical, ect and then someone who wasn't supposed to make that class of 50 recruits gets in because he got a 90 and didn't get caught while she got a 100 in everything.

If all the scores were the same, I would take the one that had enough control not to drink and drive and get caught.

 

[Marine Cpl]

It is just that you keep saying over and over that the Reckless Driving law is all we need.

Reckless endangerment, whatever. It doesn't have to specifically pertain to driving. Don't go wiping everything down with a white glove. You know what I mean.

 

[Marine Cpl]

If all the scores were the same, I would take the one that had enough control not to drink and drive and get caught.

No problem with that. She can make the next class and be at the top with a 100 and the next guy will have a 99.

 

[spat]

He or she should if he scored higher but it shouldn't be an automatic failure of the investigation.

You get a girl that aces the test, physical, ect and then someone who wasn't supposed to make that class of 50 recruits gets in because he got a 90 and didn't get caught while she got a 100 in everything.

Well, not having a DWI is effectively worth some points. If everyone had one, then she'd be good. What you're really saying is that maybe it should be worth 10 points not 1000. I think we can all agree it should be more than 0, and less than 1000. Not sure what things are worth, but there is a "best answer" in there somewhere.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

Your kid commits a felony. He/she robs an old lady who your kid saw withdraw cash from an ATM. They are apprehended. They face jail time. Your kid denies everything to the cops. Your kid admits total guilt to you in private. A guilty verdict changes your 18 year old kids life and entire future.

Picture sufficiently painted?

You now know the facts. Do you even hire an attorney? Your kid said they did it. The only way to come up with a not guilty verdict is having the defense attorney twist the facts and find some way to have the jury question, 'beyond all reasonable doubt'.

You have connections you could call to possibly make this go away.

Which scenario teaches your kid the life lesson you so vehemently desire to teach? The one in which the system has failed to convict your guilty kid because of a shrewd lawyer? Or one which is as unjust and rewards you because you know the right people?

IMO both scenarios suck and neither teach a good lesson. The lawyer father in the OP case didn't make any threats. He asked very pointed questions and detailed his connections to the community, to the cop. He did what almost any father would do if they could to help their kid. No harm no foul.

Your very first sentence sums it up.

 

[spat]

He or she should if he scored higher but it shouldn't be an automatic failure of the investigation.

You get a girl that aces the test, physical, ect and then someone who wasn't supposed to make that class of 50 recruits gets in because he got a 90 and didn't get caught while she got a 100 in everything.

Well, not having a DWI is effectively worth some points. If everyone had one, then she'd be good. What you're really saying is that maybe it should be worth 10 points not 1000. I think we can all agree it should be more than 0, and less than 1000. Not sure what things are worth, but there is a "best answer" in there somewhere.

Bottom line though, DWI shows poor judgement, and judgement is a very important part of the FBI job. I don't think we want someone with poor judgement in there just because they can run fast and test well.....

 

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[masterswimmer]

Your very first sentence sums it up.

Sorry to say, you're a sad parent with idealistic intentions. A child is not a stranger. You're the one (or two along with the mom) person/people your kid should be able to count on unconditionally.

I side with the views of the 99.9% here.

 

[ECU Pirates]

Sorry to say, you're a sad parent with idealistic intentions. A child is not a stranger. You're the one (or two along with the mom) person/people your kid should be able to count on unconditionally.

I side with the views of the 99.9% here.

At least his kid won't know he can run to daddy to make all his problems go away. My father would have let me sit in jail if I got a dwi. He would not have bailed me out. He also said I could call anytime if I was drinking for a ride home. Being a parent is not coddling and no discipline. The girl that got the dui charges in this case was an adult by the way.

 

[masterswimmer]

Ok

 

[ECU Pirates]

Ok

Fine.


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[Carlos Hathcock]

Sorry to say, you're a sad parent with idealistic intentions. A child is not a stranger. You're the one (or two along with the mom) person/people your kid should be able to count on unconditionally.

I side with the views of the 99.9% here.

Intentions only if they're not followed through.