Looming north korean threat

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ArmedCorgi said:
I'll also add I don't think China's troop build up is benevolent to us. I think it's to serve as border control for any influx of refugees should war start and to serve as a deterrent and reminder to us about the last time they crossed that border.
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During the Korean War or Vietnam War we were strapped by a concern about low war approval rating at home, and a fear of it escalating into WW III. If we had let everything go full tilt in those 2 wars; we should have handily won each in a matter of months. In the case of present day NK; I believe the Pentagon and Oval Office should consider leaving the UN and producing a few hundred neutron bombs. Literally eliminate every North Korean base, every military manufacturing facility, every military port, sink their entire navy; and then gift what is left to South Korea. Or are the true glory days of conquest over for our species?
 
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Blimey said:
I guess NK must be fairly aware of this, which is why their smack talk is so damn impressive.

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Is that a photo of the old M-388? Imagine that with a neutron bomb. If not on field artillery; just put those small neutron bombs on drones. The surgical strike of destroying just a factory or just an airbase while leaving the civilian population alive is a really attractive option.
 
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Snappo said:
You'd think so; but we have about 50x as many nuclear weapons as China and 5x their Air Force. We also have a Navy that is 15x their size. And yet NK seeks to keep poking us. I can only think they are absolutely moronic; and perhaps thinking they can do like The Mouse That Roared. Remember that old B&W movie where some nothing country in financial straits declares war so we can take them over and give them all the luxuries of being an American protectorate?
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I see your point, but you would think proximity would be a factor. Would NK be talking the shit they talk about us if we shared a border? Nope. In fact, I wager there wouldn't be a NK if we shared a border.
 
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Snappo said:
During the Korean War or Vietnam War we were strapped by a concern about low war approval rating at home, and a fear of it escalating into WW III. If we had let everything go full tilt in those 2 wars; we should have handily won each in a matter of months.
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On the surface, yes we could have decimated them with heavy bombing . what the US was avoiding in Vietnam was a second Korean style war where China will not allow the US to be outside their border. WE never crossed the DMZ in force , not because we couldn't do it, but because it would trigger a massive Chinese response.
 
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On the surface, yes we could have decimated them with heavy bombing . what the US was avoiding in Vietnam was a second Korean style war where China will not allow the US to be outside their border. WE never crossed the DMZ in force , not because we couldn't do it, but because it would trigger a massive Chinese response.
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Seems like the best solution with regard to China is to do something in unison with them. I'd rather see China in NK than that insane kid. I'm sure China could take out that rogue government in a matter of days.
 
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I think that's what the US is trying to pressure them do . I don't think the Chinese will do it though.I think those troops on the border are ment for us , not NK. NK hasn't said a word about it, probably because they aren't worried about it.
 
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I hate to say it, but the other thing to consider here, is one of balance of power. China is already an economic and industrial power on the rise. This whole situation with NK presents the oportunity for them to flex real military power. What does that do to US power and influence? China suddenly handles and handles successfully a problem that has plagued the western world (the US) for over half a century. Look at what happened in Ukraine and Syria with Russia. They went in and fucked shit up while we sat with our thumbs up our asses. Now we are about to let China decide the fate of the Korean peninsula?
 
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Blimey said:
It didn't feel right "liking" your post.

Are vessels tracked closely across oceans? Realistically can a vessel leave port in NK and assume it will get "lost" on the way to the US without satellite tracking or other forms of tracking so that it can pop a bomb off in san francisco bay?
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How hard would it be to hand off a palletized nuke to some other ship in a port in the Congo anyway, even if we were tracking them all.

Or some ship out of China or Iran meets a North Korean sub somewhere and picks one up.

Or just drops it off in 50' of water somewhere and some small sailboat picks it up with some SCUBA gear and GPS coords like high stakes geocaching.

If the Colombians can bring in coke by the ton, Kim can do it with a nuke.
 
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Snappo said:
During the Korean War or Vietnam War we were strapped by a concern about low war approval rating at home, and a fear of it escalating into WW III. If we had let everything go full tilt in those 2 wars; we should have handily won each in a matter of months. In the case of present day NK; I believe the Pentagon and Oval Office should consider leaving the UN and producing a few hundred neutron bombs. Literally eliminate every North Korean base, every military manufacturing facility, every military port, sink their entire navy; and then gift what is left to South Korea. Or are the true glory days of conquest over for our species?
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Why neutron bombs ?

The last thing you want is more fallout.
 
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That's why when he said they could hit NY , they wernt talking about missiles, inside of cargo container waiting at the port of entry on a Chinese flagged ship. aboard a passenger plane with no passengers landing at the airport or going off over Manhattan. Not much stopping him from doing it. of course, the response would be unbelievable,
 
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Those troops are there to prevent a flood of N Korean refugees, nothing more.
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Yes of course. Because that's what they told us. there is no way to ascertain their intentions they could easily move against NK or American forces if they needed to . Ill bet you 5 bucks that they have A shit ton of armor and anti aircraft systems there as well.


To be fair, they have done this before .
 
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spat said:
Why neutron bombs ?

The last thing you want is more fallout.
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Neutron bombs only kill living tissue and it's non ionizing radiation. So all the buildings, vehicles, etc are fine but everyone dies. And since there is no fallout and no radiation levels afterwards, humans can return to the area right afterwards. That's why the UN passed a memorandum saying they needed to be banned.
 
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Snappo said:
Is that a photo of the old M-388? Imagine that with a neutron bomb. If not on field artillery; just put those small neutron bombs on drones. The surgical strike of destroying just a factory or just an airbase while leaving the civilian population alive is a really attractive option.
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Googled the davy crockett nuke and this popped up. It looks like the others, so I think it's legit. Amazing that they were going to equip soldiers with this stuff.
 
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Snappo said:
Neutron bombs only kill living tissue and it's non ionizing radiation. So all the buildings, vehicles, etc are fine but everyone dies. And since there is no fallout and no radiation levels afterwards, humans can return to the area right afterwards. That's why the UN passed a memorandum saying they needed to be banned.
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That's not how they work.

The technical term for them is Enhanced Radiation Weapon, because they produce much more radiation than a normal bomb the same size. The bomb that kills people and leaves intact infrastructure you can walk into the next day is a myth.

The closest would be a salted weapon that produces a large amount of short duration fallout so that the area can be reinhabited in months or years.

The high neutron flux from an ERW will cause everything in range to become radioactive, not merely contaminated, but will make the materials themselves radioactive.

The tank crew will be killed by the radiation even though the tank survives the blast, but the steel in the tank itself will be activated by the neutron flux and it will be radioactive enough to kill the crew that tries to replace them too.

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Non ionizing radiation is light and radio waves. If they are intense enough to kill, they will destroy whatever is around too, just like a conventional explosive. There is no such thing as non ionizing neutron radiation.
 
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holdover said:
Yes of course. Because that's what they told us. there is no way to ascertain their intentions they could easily move against NK or American forces if they needed to . Ill bet you 5 bucks that they have A shit ton of armor and anti aircraft systems there as well.


To be fair, they have done this before .
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It would not go the same this time and everybody knows it.

The Chinese do not want US troops on their border for sure, but I think they want to be in a shooting war with the US even less.
 
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spat said:
It would not go the same this time and everybody knows it.

The Chinese do not want US troops on their border for sure, but I think they want to be in a shooting war with the US even less.
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Of course China would not want to go war, even to defend its border zone, but it has taken on the united states and NATO in NK and covertly in Vietnam. they have demonstrated the will to fight the US several times . Thier history with NK goes back thousands of years, You cant just dismiss their warnings to us about being in their border zone as unacceptable. They have stated that as policy and have acted on it in the past. Would they want to? No. Will they? Their history says yes. The very fact that they have a large military presence there isn't going to be forgotten by US generals .
 
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We knew today's launch would happen because yesterday the news reported US had been monitoring their launch site and saw new activity so expected it to happen. Also there is a SK anniversary about the armistice.

Lots of urgent words now being released by Japan about how these repeated provocations won't be tolerated.
 
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Yep, why I said "urgent words". Meanwhile over here we're very heartily discussing the merits of trans in the military. I think our priorities are spot on.
 
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