Massive anti communist demonstrations taking place across Cuba 7/11/21

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

spat said:
Mao and Stalin alone killed more of their own citizens than probably every other regime in history put together.

I'm also not sure who is an "anti-communist fanatic" in WWII. The NAZI's ?

It's true the NAZI's were both anti-communist (sort of) and were fanatics, but they were not fanatic about their anti-communism. Plus, Hitler was a rank amateur compared to Stalin when it comes to atrocities.

Give it up already, this disgusting propaganda piece fell apart long time ago. Comparing every death for every reason including normal deaths for the time period on one side to murders of Germans in Nazi Germany doesn't fly. As if invading other countries and killing their people as planned extermination is somehow morally above doing that in their own country and doesn't count.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
I don't have any strong feelings about communism. I don't see it as something positive and it certainly wasn't the biggest evil as painted by indoctrinated idiots in this country. For many countries it was just a stage to a better future, for others it wasn't.

Where?

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

Phazer said:
Where?

Lets start with Vietnam, China and Cuba. There are others.

spat · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
Lets start with Vietnam, China and Cuba. There are others.

LOL.

China was a backwater shithole that starved half it's people to death for decades after adopting communism.

It wasn't until they started letting go of communism and started adopting some elements of capitalism, then they became successful.

Cuba ?

If that's your idea of a success story, I'd hate to see a failure.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
Lets start with Vietnam, China and Cuba. There are others.

Ohhh....got it. Communism improved the lives of people in Vietnam, China, and Cuba.

I guess that's based on the same kind of statistics from ancient surgical procedures that state "75% of those who survived improved after the procedure." But...ummm...90% of those who had the procedure did not survive.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

spat said:
China was a backwater shithole that starved half it's people to death for decades after adopting communism.

It wasn't until they started letting go of communism and started adopting some elements of capitalism, then they became successful.

Bingo! Internally, China's CCP rules with an iron fist. Internationally, China acts capitalistic to buoy it's economy.

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

Phazer said:
Ohhh....got it. Communism improved the lives of people in Vietnam, China, and Cuba.

I guess that's based on the same kind of statistics from ancient surgical procedures that state "75% of those who survived improved after the procedure." But...ummm...90% of those who had the procedure did not survive.

I said this a hundred times. It's not for outsiders to decide. It's a call that should be made by people in these countries. Vietnamese certainly don't want to go back to colonial period. Chinese are very proud of the progress. Cubans love how they rank compared to their neighbors in Latin countries. Propaganda cartel in Washington and its parrots aren't happy, I can understand that.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
I said this a hundred times. It's not for outsiders to decide. It's a call that should be made by people in these countries.

Fine. Agreed.

That said, a government that comes to power through military force and refuses to hold free and fair elections is not a call really "made by the people," though. Saddam Hussein usually got >90% of the vote in Iraq. Fidel Castro always received a vast majority of the Cuban vote, no matter how poor the economy was or how many people were living in abject poverty. The CCP also seems to be amazingly "popular" among Chinese citizens. And, I doubt that Kim will lose his next election in North Korea.

As it has been said, the real test of any democracy is the second election.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

Just a reminder from history about how communist dictators should meet their end.

Executioner who killed evil dictator and ended brutal regime speaks out

Almost exactly 25 years on from the execution, Paratrooper Ionel Boeru recalls the moment he shot the evil president dead

www.mirror.co.uk

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

There is such concept as National unity. For many nations its the best way forward. It's not perfect and its not without pitfalls, but neither is a sleazy democracy we have in this country. The bottom line, every nation has a right to chart its own future without Supreme values being forced on it from outside. The folks in Washington who can't clean up their own house should consider that.

Phazer · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
The bottom line, every nation has a right to chart its own future without Supreme values being forced on it from outside. The folks in Washington who can't clean up their own house should consider that.

Gotta mostly agree with you, again. The only caveat: Citizens must really be free to choose their own course. Such is never the case where coercion and rigged elections are the rule.

Here in the U.S., many of our leader have strayed so far from first principles, they are themselves the antithesis of our bedrock ethos.

spat · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
I said this a hundred times. It's not for outsiders to decide. It's a call that should be made by people in these countries. Vietnamese certainly don't want to go back to colonial period. Chinese are very proud of the progress. Cubans love how they rank compared to their neighbors in Latin countries. Propaganda cartel in Washington and its parrots aren't happy, I can understand that.

Wrong.

Completely wrong.

While it may not be an outsiders place to tell a country how it should be governed, that doesn't mean that there aren't objective standards by which they should be judged.

When large numbers of your people die due to famine that is objectively worse than the biggest health threat to your poor being obesity.

It doesn’t matter how badly you brainwash your people, that is worse, every time.

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

spat said:
Wrong.

Completely wrong.

While it may not be an outsiders place to tell a country how it should be governed, that doesn't mean that there aren't objective standards by which they should be judged.

When large numbers of your people die due to famine that is objectively worse than the biggest health threat to your poor being obesity.

It doesn’t matter how badly you brainwash your people, that is worse, every time.

Please provide a list or reference to food shipments sent from U.S. (or what is now E.U.) to Soviet Union (or czarist Russia) that were rejected during any of its infamous famines. The only aid as insufficient as it was came from the Soviet government.

spat · Jul 14, 2021

Not our job to feed them.

But, under communism, the government has seized the means of production, and with it the responsibility to produce.

That is the core difference between capitalism and communism.

In capitalism people compete to see who can be most productive.

Under communism they compete to see who can demonstrate the most "need".

One leads to prosperity as people strive to be more productive.

The other leads to misery as everyone tries to out "need" each other.

Socialism (which every existing country has to some extent today) is just anything in the middle. The closer to the communist ideal you get the more things suck, for everyone.

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

livingston said:
Cuban Girl Reveals the Harsh Truth About Life in Cuba

This is what life is like under Cuba's communist dictatorship.

rumble.com

Doesn't look or sound like she is starving. Very unconvincing video.

speedkills27 · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
Every immigrant group in this country had a sizable percentage of people who didn't like it here and went back.

yet here you are

Mosinitis · Jul 14, 2021

speedkills27 said:
yet here you are

And yet there are people who go back and Americans who choose to retire and live in other countries. The stress factor is very high in this country, just look at the number of homeless and mentally disturbed on the streets. They didn't get that way from good life.

spat · Jul 14, 2021

Mosinitis said:
And yet there are people who go back and Americans who choose to retire and live in other countries. The stress factor is very high in this country, just look at the number of homeless and mentally disturbed on the streets. They didn't get that way from good life.

I've come to the conclusion that more thsn 50% of people don't actually *want* freedom.

They can't handle the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. things being their fault when they make poor choices).

They tend to resent people who do want it, and want it taken away from them as well, rather than just admit their own faults.

I have no use for such people, as far as I am concerned they shouldn't be welcome here, no matter where they were born.

Acer-m14 · Jul 15, 2021

livingston said:
Biden’s DHS Sec. Threatens Cuban Refugees Fleeing Communism: Do Not Come Here ‘Illegally’

On Tuesday, DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas issued a warning to Cubans seeking to come to the United States: Do not come here “illegally.”

“Allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States,” Mayorkas said. “Again, I repeat, do not risk your life attempting to enter the United States illegally. You will not come to the United States.”

Biden's DHS Sec. Threatens Cuban Refugees Fleeing Communism: Do Not Come Here 'Illegally'

"Allow me to be clear, if you take to the sea, you will not come to the United States"...

beckernews.com

there not Cartel backed with kickbacks and coming with drugs ..

PS .. What is DHS going to do if they do if they want to risk there life .. sink there boats ...

Mosinitis · Jul 15, 2021

spat said:
I've come to the conclusion that more thsn 50% of people don't actually *want* freedom.

They can't handle the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. things being their fault when they make poor choices).

They tend to resent people who do want it, and want it taken away from them as well, rather than just admit their own faults.

I have no use for such people, as far as I am concerned they shouldn't be welcome here, no matter where they were born.

Let me know when freedom here happens.

spat · Jul 15, 2021

Mosinitis said:
Let me know when freedom here happens.

Don't hold your breath waiting.

But we *are* far more free than most.

For instance, in most communist regimes harsh criticism of their leader would land people in prison. Here it gets them a cushy job on CNN, at least if a Republican is in office.

Blimey · Jul 15, 2021

Mosinitis said:
Let me know when freedom here happens.

Freedom can be measured in many ways, but freedom of speech is one and the USA ranks near or at the top. The rest of the west has enacted hate speech laws, so by definition no longer has freedom of speech.

As for Cuba I thought long ago we should have stopped embargoing them. We shouldn't do anything to help them directly now because it seems to blow up in our face and if after decades of living in third world conditions the people there still haven't done anything I doubt critical mass of them will now, either. Make no mistake: Cuba is a poor shithole, and I know that you know this as well. But, the people seem incapable of changing that.

spat · Jul 15, 2021

Blimey said:
Freedom can be measured in many ways, but freedom of speech is one and the USA ranks near or at the top. The rest of the west has enacted hate speech laws, so by definition no longer has freedom of speech.

As for Cuba I thought long ago we should have stopped embargoing them. We shouldn't do anything to help them directly now because it seems to blow up in our face and if after decades of living in third world conditions the people there still haven't done anything I doubt critical mass of them will now, either. Make no mistake: Cuba is a poor shithole, and I know that you know this as well. But, the people seem incapable of changing that.

What we should do for Cubans is park an aircraft carrier 12 miles off short and offer asylum to anyone who can reach it.

But honest hard working Cubans won't be allowed in, because they know the truth about communism. MS13 and the cartels and traffickers on the other hand can be bought off, so they are importing them wholesale across that border.

Mosinitis · Jul 15, 2021

Russia accuses US of 'staging' anti-government protests in Cuba, saying Washington must now 'end hypocrisy' of economic blockade

Wide-scale protests and rioting that have rocked the Caribbean nation of Cuba are, according to the Russian Foreign Ministry, part of an orchestrated campaign by American officials to oust the country’s socialist government.

www.rt.com

‘Outside interference’ in Cuban affairs is ‘unacceptable’ & foreign nations should let Havana solve its own issues, Moscow warns

Any foreign interference in the affairs of Cuba is completely unacceptable, Russia has declared, after the Caribbean country erupted in protest over an ever-worsening economy and the government’s handling of the Covid-19 pandemic.

www.rt.com

Mosinitis · Jul 15, 2021

spat said:
I've come to the conclusion that more thsn 50% of people don't actually *want* freedom.

They can't handle the responsibility that comes with it (i.e. things being their fault when they make poor choices).

They tend to resent people who do want it, and want it taken away from them as well, rather than just admit their own faults.

I have no use for such people, as far as I am concerned they shouldn't be welcome here, no matter where they were born.

They shit on your values as you do on theirs. To each his own and it's not Cuba who is trying to overthrow U.S. government and impose their values on us. CIA SHOULD FUCK OFF.

spat · Jul 15, 2021

Mosinitis said:
They shit on your values as you do on theirs. To each his own and it's not Cuba who is trying to overthrow U.S. government and impose their values on us. CIA SHOULD FUCK OFF.

Not Cuba, but closet communists sure are.

As far as I am concerned the people who don't want freedom can live as slaves if they want. But if they want everyone to live that way they can fuck right off, violently fuck off if necessary.

Massive anti communist demonstrations taking place across Cuba 7/11/21

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