New York Jailbreak Law / Bail Reform/ Articles/Stories and Discussions(multi-merged thread)

[GOYABEAN]

 

[Catskillkid]

For those interested in her curriculum vitae:

Bandy X. Lee, MD, MDiv

Oh by the way, she's also a big proponent of Agenda 2030 (the updated Agenda 21).

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Well, as the Dems ignored,(Supreme Court) He can ignore anything and then legally it's up to the Supreme Court to decide. Why not subject him to see how many hemorhoids he has or the lenghth of his johnson. WTF is next ?

 

[SomeSoldier]

Let's go, keep pushing. Lets light this powder keg.

 

[Acer-m14]

Rockland County Fatal Hit-And-Run Suspect Released Under New State Bail Reform Guidelines

A woman was struck and killed by an unlicensed driver who left the scene. He was arrested, and immediately released back on the street, under the terms of New York state's new bail reform law.

newyork.cbslocal.com

from another artical he was a ileagle

 

[Apeman]

And so it begins.

If he hurts someone else before his trial they or their family are going to have a hell of a lawsuit against the state. This is a complete disregard for public safety.

 

[livingston]

Suspects released without bail after shocking attacks on Jews
Suspects arrested in last week’s spree of eight anti-Semitic attacks are being quickly released right back into the neighborhoods they terrorized thanks to “bail reform” legislation — which doesn’t even take effect until Jan. 1.

The most recent case of revolving-door justice came Saturday morning, with the release, with no bail, of a woman charged with punching and cursing at three Orthodox women, ages 22, 26 and 31, in Crown Heights, Brooklyn at dawn the day before.

The accused assailant, Tiffany Harris, was hauled in handcuffs before a Brooklyn judge on 21 menacing, harassment and attempted assault charges.

“F-U, Jews!” Harris, 30, of Flatbush, allegedly shouted during the attack.

“Yes, I was there,” Harris later admitted to cops, according to the criminal complaint against her.

“Yes, I slapped them. I cursed them out. I said ‘F-U, Jews.”

Bail reform is setting suspects free after string of anti-Semitic attacks

Suspects arrested in last week’s spree of eight anti-Semitic attacks are being quickly released right back into the neighborhoods they terrorized thanks to “bail reform” legislation.

nypost.com

 

[misunderestimated]

I am with out words, Just how low do they have to bring New York to until all the good people leave

 

[Grimscale]

I am with out words, Just how low do they have to bring New York to until all the good people start fighting back!

If someone breaks into your home, do you then abandon the home and leave?

 

[Robin]

Man sucker punches, wrestles NYPD cop to the ground in Brooklyn

A deranged man sucker-punched an NYPD officer on a Brooklyn sidewalk, pinning the cop to the ground and refusing to budge — and was later released despite felony assault charges, police and s…

nypost.com

The guy gets out of jail free, You have got to be kidding!!!!!!!!
That gal cop is worthless.
Stay safe down there Airborne, it's going to get worse.
Robin

 

[96coal449]

This is all very good reason for Sheriffs, who honor their oaths (FU Craig Apple), to deputize every willing citizen.
And of course as always FUAC!

 

[Toecutter]

This is all very good reason for Sheriffs, who honor their oaths (FU Craig Apple), to deputize every willing citizen.
And of course as always FUAC!

Yeah screw the 6th and 8th amendments. Lets just lock everyone up and let the courts figure it out. Give up their liberty for the sake of security. Lets deny them access to a lawyer , lock them in a dungeon for excessive amounts of time......unless you have money you can buy your freedom.

These safeguards can protect you as well if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

 

[96coal449]

Yeah screw the 6th and 8th amendments. Lets just lock everyone up and let the courts figure it out. Give up their liberty for the sake of security. Lets deny them access to a lawyer , lock them in a dungeon for excessive amounts of time......unless you have money you can buy your freedom.

These safeguards can protect you as well if you find yourself in the wrong place at the wrong time.

You're misunderstanding me. I'm suggesting to be deputized gives you protection from the unSAFEact. Carry what you will.
In no means was I suggesting "screw the 6th & 8th amendments.''

 

[prambo]

what we will not see, is the actual statistics of the increase in violent crime over the next 12 months. The governor does NOT want anyone to see that this legislation is a monumental failure

"Failure" is The Princess' middle name.

Beginning to wonder if FUAC's strange behavior is the largest case of Munchausen By Proxy ever seen.

Make everyone else suffer so you get the attention.

NYS is becoming completely anarchic, and it's by design...an insane design, but by design nevertheless.

 

[Toecutter]

It wasnt to long ago everyone here was worried about the state police saying they dont understand the safe act and will arrest any violators and let the courts figure it out.

That can mean a months to years sitting in a cell waiting for you time in court if you can't afford bail and if you cant afford it would it not be excesssive? Away from your life for a year, who pays your bills? Will your job understand?

 

[96coal449]

It wasnt to long ago everyone here was worried about the state police saying they dont understand the safe act and will arrest any violators and let the courts figure it out

I remember that very well. It was told to me in those exact words. At the time I was there picking up my M1A Scout on a transfer sale. I bought a barreled action. Complete minus the muzzle devise. I was told I couldn't have it as is with a threaded barrel. At the time I was under the understanding that if it had a fixed magazine, the "evil" features were null and void. I explained I was going to remove the mag release paddle and weld a small rod in the paddles spring. My next step would be to epoxy the a 10rd mag in a fiberglass stock. I was told it was a no go and then heard the quote, from princess homo's little ferries.

Side note .....no disrespect to the SP who actually honor their oaths.

 

[Airborneguy]

Crime stats are public information and will definitely be available. I can also state unequivocally that the publicly released crime stats (at least here in the city) do line up with what’s reported by the precincts which is within a slight margin of error and occasional misclassification, true.

The “spin” comes from the fact that crime reporting is based mostly on 7 major crimes, so all else gets generally ignored.

This includes the crimes which much more often affect average people: petit thefts, misdemeanor assaults, criminal mischief, criminal trespass, general quality of life issues like bums drinking on your corner, etc.

 

[repete]

I think I found the real reason for this law
240.06 - 240.08 Riot 1° and 2°
240.15 Criminal Anarchy so cumhoe doesn't have to lock up his Antifa butthole buddies!

 

[livingston]

News cameras captured the suspect being walked out of the NYPD’s 32nd Precinct in Harlem after his arrest. He was taken back to Rockland County. Monsey is a hamlet of Ramapo, New York, and authorities there are leading the investigation. Assistant District Attorney Michael Dugandzic wanted the judge to hold Thomas without bail, but the judge said she couldn’t do so because of the state’s “new prison reform laws,” Lohud reports, adding that one victim has a fractured skull.

Grafton Thomas: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Grafton Thomas was named as the suspect in the mass stabbing at a rabbi's home in Monsey, New York.

heavy.com

 

[livingston]

Bail reform is setting suspects free after string of anti-Semitic attacks
Suspects arrested in last week’s spree of eight anti-Semitic attacks are being quickly released right back into the neighborhoods they terrorized thanks to “bail reform” legislation — which doesn’t even take effect until Jan. 1.

The most recent case of revolving-door justice came Saturday morning, with the release, with no bail, of a woman charged with punching and cursing at three Orthodox women, ages 22, 26 and 31, in Crown Heights, Brooklyn at dawn the day before.

The accused assailant, Tiffany Harris, was hauled in handcuffs before a Brooklyn judge on 21 menacing, harassment and attempted assault
charges.
She still has an open harassment and assault case on the Brooklyn docket from November 2018.

And last month, she was sentenced to no jail time for felony criminal mischief in Manhattan, court records show — a case for which she had repeatedly failed to make court appearances.

Bail reform is setting suspects free after string of anti-Semitic attacks

Suspects arrested in last week’s spree of eight anti-Semitic attacks are being quickly released right back into the neighborhoods they terrorized thanks to “bail reform” legislation.

nypost.com

 

[Toecutter]

News cameras captured the suspect being walked out of the NYPD’s 32nd Precinct in Harlem after his arrest. He was taken back to Rockland County. Monsey is a hamlet of Ramapo, New York, and authorities there are leading the investigation. Assistant District Attorney Michael Dugandzic wanted the judge to hold Thomas without bail, but the judge said she couldn’t do so because of the state’s “new prison reform laws,” Lohud reports, adding that one victim has a fractured skull.

Grafton Thomas: 5 Fast Facts You Need to Know
Grafton Thomas was named as the suspect in the mass stabbing at a rabbi's home in Monsey, New York.

heavy.com

5 stabbed at Hanukkah celebration in latest attack on Jews

The suspect in the Hanukkah stabbings north of New York City has been arraigned on charges he attacked five people. He pleaded not guilty Sunday.

apnews.com

Violent felonies are still subject to bail. With exception of burglery, robbery 2 , and manslaughter.
Every news article ive read said he was being held at 5 million. The law isnt even in effect yet. So I'm going in a limb and saying heavy is taking liberty with words.

 

[livingston]

5 stabbed at Hanukkah celebration in latest attack on Jews

The suspect in the Hanukkah stabbings north of New York City has been arraigned on charges he attacked five people. He pleaded not guilty Sunday.

apnews.com

Violent felonies are still subject to bail. With exception of burglery, robbery 2 , and manslaughter.
Every news article ive read said he was being held at 5 million. The law isnt even in effect yet. So I'm going in a limb and saying heavy is taking liberty with words.

District Attorney Michael Dugandzic wanted the judge to hold Thomas without bail, but the judge said she couldn’t do so because of the state’s “new prison reform laws

 

[Toecutter]

District Attorney Michael Dugandzic wanted the judge to hold Thomas without bail, but the judge said she couldn’t do so because of the state’s “new prison reform laws

I don't believe heavy is reporting the correct information . Every other news source is stating he is held at 5 million. Which is also arguable a violation of the 8th amendment . Moreover if he came up with 5 million and was set free does that make anyone safer?

This guy in no doubt guilty and deserves to be in prison, he is in jail awaiting trial with bail set .
Im intentions are to stop spreading fear and lies being spread on the internet.
Murderers are not being let out of prison. Violent criminals can still be held with bail.
People ACCUSED of non violent crimes will no longer be subject to sitting in a jail cell before they have their day in court. Which needs to happen in a reasonable amount of time.

 

[96coal449]

The great state of NY ...... FUBAR

 

[spat]

the questions is, should society let an accused killer or rapist, out of jail with no incentive to come back to court. Who becomes responsible if that murderer or rapist, out on his/her own recognizance, kills or rapes another person?

Your right to a speedy trial says that the accused should be tried and either convicted or released quickly.

Bail becomes a non issue if the trial is held a week after the arrest.

If the justice system is incapable of doing that, then it is broken and needs to be fixed, releasing people on bail for years prior to a trial is bad, no matter what the dollar amount it is set at.

 

[Airborneguy]

Your right to a speedy trial says that the accused should be tried and either convicted or released quickly.

Bail becomes a non issue if the trial is held a week after the arrest.

If the justice system is incapable of doing that, then it is broken and needs to be fixed, releasing people on bail for years prior to a trial is bad, no matter what the dollar amount it is set at.

Arrest to trial in a week worked when there was 3 million people in the whole country and a respectful, low crime society. It’s impossible now.

When I worked in the Brooklyn courts, at any given moment we had around 600 people awaiting arraignment. That’s around 3600 arrests per week. Can you fathom the system required to hold 3600 trials a week?

 

[spat]

Arrest to trial in a week worked when there was 3 million people in the whole country and a respectful, low crime society. It’s impossible now.

When I worked in the Brooklyn courts, at any given moment we had around 600 people awaiting arraignment. That’s around 3600 arrests per week. Can you fathom the system required to hold 3600 trials a week?

If you conduct 3600 arrests a week, how are you not conducting 3600 trials a week now ?

The total number of trials wouldn't change, just the delay between arrest and trial.

 

[Toecutter]

Arrest to trial in a week worked when there was 3 million people in the whole country and a respectful, low crime society. It’s impossible now.

When I worked in the Brooklyn courts, at any given moment we had around 600 people awaiting arraignment. That’s around 3600 arrests per week. Can you fathom the system required to hold 3600 trials a week?

Yes this is the problem the system is overwhelmed. I think its also a NYC vs nys thing the city population is half the state in a small area. If the city can't guarantee a speedy trial they can't just lock people up for however long it takes.

Bail is supposed to insure people come back ,not to punish them or simply make it impossible to get out of jail. If a person can't afford bail, its excessive. Jail also restricts a persons ability to a fair trial of they dont have access to council without going through hoops . They can't pick up a phone or see a lawyer any time they need to.

Look i personally dont agree with every part of this law I think judges should be able to set bail on any violent crime and even if they do make bail they should have to wear an ankle monitor.
I will always believe we should aim to make sure innocent peoples lives are not ruined by the system. I do feel this law is a step in the right direction.

I just had dinner with 2 cops and a corrections officer and we had a bit of a debate over this i know its not a popular opinion.

 

[Bananabandit]

If someone breaks into your home, do you then abandon the home and leave?

Put him on the deed so he can pay for it. Thatll show him.

 

[Jmac00]

Arrest to trial in a week worked when there was 3 million people in the whole country and a respectful, low crime society. It’s impossible now.

When I worked in the Brooklyn courts, at any given moment we had around 600 people awaiting arraignment. That’s around 3600 arrests per week. Can you fathom the system required to hold 3600 trials a week?

wait, are you saying there is far more crime in NY shitty than the tourism people are saying there is. the tourism board is saying crime is very low?