whatupbo
9mm
You’re right it won’t hold up in court, but it will still be the law of the land a few years down the road here while we’re waiting for it to be thrown out
NY's Vindictive Plans for carry - special session next week to respond to SCOTUS's ruling. (Merged)
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Whether it gets held up or struck down in court isnt going to be an immediate help. This crap is being rammed through balls to the wall and even if it's (ya right of course it is) found unconstitutional in the courts it might not be for years. The state will drag it out to the bitter end as long as possible and what does everyone do in the mean time. Just carry on and hopefully you don't actually need to use the gun you shouldn't have or move.
Yes I get it boohoo gimme now > securing rights for others and future generations
I didn't say that. I'm all in favor of preserving our rights and I hope to heck it gets struck down as it absolutely should if it's as reported to be.
But wanting it challenged in the courts and not wanting it in the first place aren't mutually exclusive. It's not an either/or.
I don't want it at all. And if it goes through I want it ruled against. None of that changes. It still remains what the hell do we do in the interim?
Honestly good let them push the issue now instead of next election cycle. Get it into the courts sooner than later, shut them down...
This is a long game that gun owners seem to never want to play or start, yet the anti gunners are pros at it.
BerettaGuy
.308 Win
Deplorable Me
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hochul is Hillary with lipstick and a vibrator with dead batteries.
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
The constant training requirement that is believed to be in the bill is less than what LEOSA or security guard license requires. We have to requal once a year instead of once every two years
whatupbo
9mm
I would assume this is Going to be required of every single permit holder even if you don’t conceal carry at all , to keep your permit you’re going to have to take the training course.
4WHLDRFTN
6.5 Creedmoor
What does that have to do with anything? You are comparing your employment requirements with my natural rights.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
It’s not stated in mine, but I was warned they are not acceptable and your application would very likely be rejected if you had a felon as a reference.
GTN
.308 Win
What ammo is exclusive to semi-auto rifles?
arp228
.38 Special
The LEOSA training is not 15 hours every year. Between the classroom and range time it is 2 1/2 hours and $50. Going to be a lot longer and more expensive for us
Cavalry
.308 Win
Being that every county does things different anything is possible. One has to wonder however how they know the status of the reference. Are they running BGCs on the references? Are we talking about convicted felons or arrested for a felony? What if the felon has a certificate or relief?
Its my understanding that in my county they are just looking for a valid mailing address and someone to fill out the 30 second questionnaire. Some clerk glances over the checked boxes when they come back and throws everything in the "good"pile. Many years ago when I did mine I used my girlfriend her sister and her parents that all lived in the same house. I happened to be there when the mailman came so I saved them the stamps and hand delivered all to the permit office.
Source?
Cavalry
.308 Win
There are plenty, usually because they are too old, uncommon or too ridiculous for a commercially made pistol. 8mm mauser, 50bmg. 416 Barret, 6.5 Carcano, 303 British, 7.62x54r, etc, etc. I am sure many if not all of those have been chambered in a pistol at one time or another by adventuresome folk, but not commercially to my knowledge.
maverick52
.223 Rem
If all this is true than yes it’s far worse than before. I suppose I understand the idea that somewhere in the future we will win. But in the mean time our rights have been utterly eviscerated. There is no way I will comply with all that. Not worth it. Keep hoping on the courts to vindicate us. Lol. I’ll surrender my license before dealing with all that shit.
Here's the problem.
You carry your legal gun into a store (that does not have a "guns ok here" sign) as you've done 100 times before. Minding your own business like everyone else. While you're there someone starts shooting and you have to defend yourself ( since you shouldn't have legally had your gun on you now for defending yourself you can be made an example out of, go to prison become a felon and lose all your guns.
In 2-5 years sure it can be deemed unconstitutional and get struck down but tough shit for you, you're still going to be punished.
This is egregious
Cavalry
.308 Win
Dont expect to get one. Hes been spouting off shit all day claiming it to be fact and then gets pissy when hes called out.
when the bill is finally released (I am sure it will be law by then) I will believe the horseshit they passed.
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whatupbo
9mm
I’d bet the state sees surrendering the same as revoking and I wouldn’t put it past them to forfeit all your long guns too as per New York safe act. I mean they’re fucking over us now so why wouldn’t they fuck you over some more.
4WHLDRFTN
6.5 Creedmoor
cuz you're letting them . I don't see anybody at the capitol … Just a bunch of bs on some forums
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Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
I’m talking about the permit requirements compared to the LEOSA/security guard requirements . We aren’t talking about “ natural rights” but the reality of what is going to be in the law and how the courts are going to interpret it even under the new SCOTUS ruling.
Would the training requirements be considered too much by the court to be unconstitutional? They will look at them. If they were more than the security guard l/LEOSA requirements then the court would probably say it’s unconstitutional. But it’s less. The courts might say the training requirement is okay.
whatupbo
9mm
All that protesting the safe act did wonders
Truebeliever
6.5 Creedmoor
We might get an injunction until the case is heard
maverick52
.223 Rem
“Might”. It’s wait and see at this point. But I am expecting a total shit show. We are dealing with authoritarians who have no restraint. While the new guy has no sources I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s all true.
