Posing in Monsey with High cap mags and non compliant guns

[Marine Cpl]

How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

At the request of @BoruchYaakov , here is a thread asking the question... How can NY Gun Owners of different backgrounds and priorities better advance gun rights?

nygunforum.com

 

[Airborneguy]

@BoruchYaakov , answer this. How did you so quickly not just reference but screenshot and post past threads which were over a year old?

This specifically is what has me suspicious and unwilling to engage in substantive conversation with you. If nothing else, this thread has forced me to finally admit that this forum is under watchful eyes and has made me much LESS likely to openly discuss ANY topic going forward, especially this one.

Your comments directed at me highlight why cops mostly avoid forums like this and rarely express strong support (as I do often) for non-compliance and such in regards to gun laws. I've always posted here knowing full-well that a malicious actor could use my personal 2nd Amendment views against me if so inclined, but never before have I been blatantly put on notice as happened in this thread.

Your demeanor and style may be friendly and congenial, but myself (and others) are rightly suspicious and have keyed onto specific clues which point towards a different agenda.

 

[ExMember_4526]

@BoruchYaakov , answer this. How did you so quickly not just reference but screenshot and post past threads which were over a year old?

This specifically is what has me suspicious and unwilling to engage in substantive conversation with you. If nothing else, this thread has forced me to finally admit that this forum is under watchful eyes and has made me much LESS likely to openly discuss ANY topic going forward, especially this one.

Your comments directed at me highlight why cops mostly avoid forums like this and rarely express strong support (as I do often) for non-compliance and such in regards to gun laws. I've always posted here knowing full-well that a malicious actor could use my personal 2nd Amendment views against me if so inclined, but never before have I been blatantly put on notice as happened in this thread.

Your demeanor and style may be friendly and congenial, but myself (and others) are rightly suspicious and have keyed onto specific clues which point towards a different agenda.

everyone else ignore my comments, I don’t want to drag out this thread. Another thread has been created that addresses the topicof advancing gun rights in NY State in a practical manner.

airboneguy, I will answer your questions as transparently and honestly as I can. Would you prefer I did that here, a PM or in another place?

I promise you and everyone else my “agenda” is nothing more than what has already been stated.

airboneguy, you should know that I assure you I don’t mean to offend you or make you feel uncomfortable. I’m sorry for making you feel suspicious.

 

[Airborneguy]

Right here is fine. I believe there are others who’d benefit from reading the answers to my concerns.

 

[ExMember_4526]

Right here is fine. I believe there are others who’d benefit from reading the answers to my concerns.

Let the record stand that I’m not trying to drag out this thread and that I’m not trying to be annoying. I’m responding to a specific request!

• As has been stated, I have checked out this forum from time to time, over a period of about two years (I check out the other NY gun forums also)

• The other day I noticed the forum about Monsey (where I live).

• I decided to register on the forum in order to specifically respond to some of the comments.

• My reasoning for doing so was to add clarity and a different perspective in response to some of the opinions posted (I believe I have been transparent about this)

• I admittedly felt my community was being unfairly criticized up to a point (I have been transparent about this as well)

• I felt that a constructive dialogue could take place, and that the conversation could then be shifted to something more proactive (as I have stated).

Now, to address your specific points:

• When I first came across this particular thread I was curious if what at the time appeared to me to be unfair generalizations, was posted on other threads.

• I simply typed in my search engine:

“NY Gun Forum, Jews, Orthodox, Hasidic, Monsey, KJ, Rockland”

• The results produced were a few threads.

• I skimmed those threads and noticed the same people making the same types of comments (I did not pay attention to when these threads were posted, etc)

• At the time, I felt that rather than posting responses on multiple threads, I could convey what I wanted in one place (for efficiency)

• The “agenda” was to respond to what I thought was unfair criticisms of my community. (I’m sick of having to repeat this), and to shift the conversation

• I was looking for dialogue and guess what, that’s what happened!

• In fact, your responses, Will, Day444, etc completely shifted my understanding of the intent of what you were initially trying to convey.

• With dialogue, I realized that you guys aren’t anti Semitic, aren’t bashing my community for keeping to its way of life, but we’re criticizing certain communal behavior that you felt was unethical.

• Once that was put in perspective, I had a better understanding of your comments.

• It’s reasonable that seeing a “spreading cancer”, could be taken the wrong way, when you’re coming from where I’m coming from.

• Just like you don’t like generalizations about LE, you can imagine that I don’t appreciate generalizations about my community.

• I feel this has been resolved and the points have been beaten into the ground.

• Have I responded to your questions sufficiently?

 

[ExMember_4526]

In summation, I’m a guy, I happen to be Jewish and live in Monsey, and I like guns...

I want to be able to own an 11.5” AR, with a regular stock, put a suppressor on it & call it a day.

I’d like the laws to change so that can be achieved, is that reasonable?

 

[ExMember_4526]

For the record I’m sick of hearing myself and I now understand what it’s like for my poor wife!

forgive the grammar mistakes (auto spell check’s fault)

There’s only one other time in my life I created an account for this forum and then asked to have it deleted. The reason was I wanted to sell my Saiga .223/5.56 and once that was achieved, felt there was no reason to continue to have an account.

 

[ExMember_4526]

I didn’t sell it on this forum, a friend bought it from me before I could even create a thread to do so. I’m sure someone here can validate this?

 

[BDinPutnam]

"I'm sorry I made you feel suspicious" is the type of thing I would expect someone i might be suspicious of to say.

 

[ExMember_4526]

"I'm sorry I made you feel suspicious" is the type of thing I would expect someone i might be suspicious of to say.

Dude, are you 16 and living in your mom’s basement?

I really don’t mean to be snarky.... I really don’t.

But this is getting absurd.

It’s like you don’t want to believe that it’s possible to have a mutual exchange of ideas in a civil manner.

Crap, dude. This is really getting annoying. What can I possibly say that I already haven’t?

What is it that you are suspicious of? The fact that Orthodox Jews also own guns makes you nervous?

What is the suspicion, please elaborate?

I’ve literally tried to be as nice and civil as possible.

This thread sucks! It was supposed to be a dialogue to lead to something positive, crap!

I work in a real estate development field and I’ve been giving this thread waaayy too much attention. The heck!

You know what, you got me! The whole Jew conspiracy thing is true. I finally admit it! I’m sitting in an office at Jew head quarters, trolling gun forums, trying to find info on gun owners, as part of some elaborate plot to take your guns! Happy?

Either that or I’m a gun owner, who responded to a thread that directly concerned the community I’m apart of? You decide!

 

[ExMember_4526]

Airboneguy,

You are not a stupid dude! Please articulate the suspicion that you have? I’ve tried to bring a certain level of civility to the internet & you know what, it’s my fault! Shame on me for looking to do that!

 

[ExMember_4526]

Would some rational actor here kindly chime in? I’m trying to deal with real estate projects in Jersey, and I’m arguing with the freaking internet! Let this be a testament to my stupidity for thinking I could be civil with the internet!

 

[Robin]

I'm sure you are good at what you do, but maybe organizing for a common cause is not your forte.
Robin

 

[Airborneguy]

You made what I consider a veiled threat at my job when you asked me to consider what they might think of my comments here. Going to be very hard to assuage my concerns after seeing that written here.

As a strong supporter of gun rights who has made statements (that I stand by) and taken actions which often run counter to what some above me would consider my sworn duties, I cannot overlook that some of it may have been viewed and catalogued by someone who’d possibly use my stances against me.

Unfortunately, this entire episode has made me reconsider my participation here. It’s a real shame, mostly an outgrowth of our alienation as gun owners living in this oppressive state, but when one’s livelihood is at stake, cautions must be adhered to.

 

[Robin]

I'm thinking of lining my property with red flags.

I've about had enough. Dear Lord,I have tried to be a good man all my life, if this is what is required, so be it.
Robin

 

[ExMember_4526]

You made what I consider a veiled threat at my job when you asked me to consider what they might think of my comments here. Going to be very hard to assuage my concerns after seeing that written here.

As a strong supporter of gun rights who has made statements (that I stand by) and taken actions which often run counter to what some above me would consider my sworn duties, I cannot overlook that they may have been viewed and catalogued by someone who’d possibly use them against me.

Unfortunately, this entire episode has made me reconsider my participation here. It’s a real shame, mostly an outgrowth of our alienation as gun owners living in this oppressive state, but when one’s livelihood is at stake, cautions must be adhered to.

Dude, this is a public forum that can literally be viewed by the world! What is there to even report? I assure you that I didn’t mean to threaten you. You took my comment the wrong way. I’m sorry for making you feel threatened.

If you reread my posts, you will see I actually said I realized that my initial understanding of your comments was not accurate and publicly stated that our dialogue has caused me to have a better understanding of your view point.

I’m not interested in reporting you dude. Even if you said “gas the Jews”, I wouldn’t. Say whatever you want. I’m actually interested in productive, civil discourse. And I’m an idiot for thinking this could be achieved on the internet.

Airboneguy, have I not been civil and respectful?

Please point out one specific thing I have posted that wasn’t good intentioned?

 

[ExMember_4526]

I'm sure you are good at what you do, but maybe organizing for a common cause is not your forte.
Robin

Robin,

please specifically point to something I posted that was either bad intentioned or negative?

I’m open to constructive criticism. I promise you I was trying to see what can be done to further gun rights in NY State, and to point out that not all Orthodox Jews are bad intentioned. Please point to any of my posts that do anything other than that?

 

[ExMember_4526]

Can we kill this thread? It’s old. I’m done. I was trying to promote dialogue between communities. I’m a freaking idiot for doing that on the internet.

 

[Brian Colt]

I think that this theme, and it's author, had/has good intentions. In the current climate we are all, perhaps erroneously, wary of more attacks on our rights and some feel that it would be better to remain in the shadows. I for one am all for public discussion and getting more people involved. The Orthodox community has enormous voting power, if they can stand with the 2A community it would be a plus.

 

[cgrutt]

So would an Oy Vey! be in order here? Asking for a friend.

 

[nortatoga]

So would an Oy Vey! be in order here? Asking for a friend.

Couldn't hurt!

 

[spat]

If no one is interested in having that conversation, then I’ll gladly stop posting. That is in fact my only objective. To see how gun owners can be more proactive, like in other states.

I think the biggest hurdle here is actually the volume of information in your posts, not the content.

Simply put, most people here don't want to read that much all at once before responding.

That's a pretty common concern across the internet.
Generally on discussion boards like this you need to spoon feed information to the masses, not conduct a data dump.

So, you need to pick one narrow point at a time to discuss and provide succinct responses.

I think my posts frequently get too long for easy digestion, and yours are far larger.

Most are going to be dismissed with a simple TLDR, regardless of the content or quality.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I agree. He does have interesting things to say but I often skim through his posts because they are lengthy and miss things here and there.

 

[togmaster]

I think the biggest hurdle here is actually the volume of information in your posts, not the content.

Simply put, most people here don't want to read that much all at once before responding.

That's a pretty common concern across the internet.
Generally on discussion boards like this you need to spoon feed information to the masses, not conduct a data dump.

So, you need to pick one narrow point at a time to discuss and provide succinct responses.

I think my posts frequently get too long for easy digestion, and yours are far larger.

Most are going to be dismissed with a simple TLDR, regardless of the content or quality.

Sorry lost concentration. What were you saying?

 

[Robin]

Unifying to repeal and or prevent more onerous unconstitutional laws reminds me of Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and he is us". If anyone has been paying attention since the safe act was forced upon us, you have to know what I mean.
Boruch, Keep fighting the good fight!
Robin

 

[Shadow rider]

 

[Elwood]

I want no part of this creepy type of conversation.

. Ditto, I’m just here to see the shit show.

 

[Day444]

Thanks for your useful contributions.

 

[pjzwtl]

On this forum, we insult all people all the time.

True and fuck you Thors got a little hammer

 

[GOPerfect]

True and fuck you Thors got a little hammer

Blasphemy! Do not be shocked when the thunder comes your way. You should humble yourself and tell him you regret your insult,!