holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The reason those men are still alive is because of just that, One false move with a weapon or hand and its all over.
Report: Dearborn Cops Tracked Open Carriers Via Social Media Before Police Station Arrests
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This whole thing is a shit sandwich. The accused were acting in a foolish and reckless fashion but, if the article is to belived and I warrant that may well be spun, the Chief of this department is an anti gunner with an axe to grind. And that makes him a scumbag in my book.
Any and all anti gunners are scum in my book.
Any and all anti gunners are scum in my book.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
"""Dearborn Police Chief Ronald Haddad is profoundly anti-gun."""
Sounds like your right about that. Looks like these guys may have knew that too and decided to break some balls ,
They just went about it in the stupidest way possible.
but Lets be honest, if somebody walks into your workplace like that you may have a similar reaction ,
Sounds like your right about that. Looks like these guys may have knew that too and decided to break some balls ,
They just went about it in the stupidest way possible.
but Lets be honest, if somebody walks into your workplace like that you may have a similar reaction ,
minderasr
6.5 Creedmoor
Only because we're not an open carry state, and have been programmed to react that way.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
So if two masked men walked into where you worked with weapons it wouldn't alarm you? ( with an exception of gunsmith or gun store)
Its more than just programming, Its outside the boundaries of normal behavior .. If we were to see a lot of people openly carrying weapons all the time then it becomes ""normal behavior"" and nothing to be alarmed about. The main reason people don't body sling their weapons in public are 1 they make handguns which are much easier to carry and 2 there isn't really a need to carry a rifle in urban areas .
The masks were the real kicker for me. People who don't want to be identified wear masks like terrorists ,bank robbers, gang members, ISIS,. That screaming danger. If that doesn't alarm you then I doubt gunfire would either. It sounds like they would/could have killed three four people before you decided it was a threat.
Its more than just programming, Its outside the boundaries of normal behavior .. If we were to see a lot of people openly carrying weapons all the time then it becomes ""normal behavior"" and nothing to be alarmed about. The main reason people don't body sling their weapons in public are 1 they make handguns which are much easier to carry and 2 there isn't really a need to carry a rifle in urban areas .
The masks were the real kicker for me. People who don't want to be identified wear masks like terrorists ,bank robbers, gang members, ISIS,. That screaming danger. If that doesn't alarm you then I doubt gunfire would either. It sounds like they would/could have killed three four people before you decided it was a threat.
capitalcrew
.44 mag
I only read about half of the thread, because I couldn't deal with it anymore. If these guys walked through your front door dressed and armed like that you'd all be throwing lead lol. Yeah your home and a police station are legally different, but your reaction to someone walking in armed and armored wouldn't be.
minderasr
6.5 Creedmoor
I didn't realize those two idiots were masked. I thought simply open carrying. Nevermind.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
It's all about presentation. Open Carry of a rifle is legal in the woods for hunting however if you see a masked naked man open carrying a rifle in the woods, you'd probably draw on him because it isn't normal and you'd think something is up.
It isn't the firearm. It's how it's being presented. Same goes for kitchen knives.
It isn't the firearm. It's how it's being presented. Same goes for kitchen knives.
Willjr75 said:
Exactly.
All too often, internet talkers think they're Constitutional experts simply by saying "it's our right". The world (and the law) are much, much more complicated. On the other hand, this one is an easy call and I doubt the mental capacity of anyone who says otherwise.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
If two guys in ski masks wearing body armor with rifles slung were walking up my driveway, I'd absolutely be alarmed and ready to fire on them at a moments notice, despite the fact that they technically weren't doing anything illegal. The presentation of oneself is the main focus here. These guys are very lucky that they weren't shot.
I cannot believe that there are so many who find these morons' actions to be acceptable.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I think this is a simple case of people doing stupid things. We want to preserve the rights but is this the best way to interact, potentially with the uninformed. Imo there are better ways and if one is an attention whore there are safer methods not excluding a courtesy call.
I am saying because there is division and confusion and we, as responsible firearm owners, but specially as good worried citizens, can do a lot better than that.
I am saying because there is division and confusion and we, as responsible firearm owners, but specially as good worried citizens, can do a lot better than that.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
At the risk of being labeled a troll, I'll go on as far as to say that I find it ridiculous when people go around open carrying AK pistols at Starbucks for no reason other than just because.
Now hear me out. Should it be legal? Yes. Are there reasons why it would make sense to open carry an AK in Starbucks? Sure. It depends on the situation. Where you are going, coming from, ect. It is totally acceptable if you are coming from the woods upstate but kind of ridiculous getting off the subway in the city.
If the courts made a ruling that any firearm is protected, we would be able to have RPG's, MG's, Anti Armor rockets, ect and they would be legal to carry. Would they be ridiculous to open carry at Starbucks just to get a cup of coffee ? Absolutely. They'd be just as ridiculous as open carrying a knife on each leg, 10 knives on a belt, along with one in each hand to get that cup coffee.
It should be totally legal but at the same time the carrier has to have some some sense.
Flame on.
Yeah, you are going to be tagged a Troll on this one.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Question. Would you open carry a Javelin Missle in the city of Buffalo just because while taking your wife to an Italian Restaurant on her birthday and think it's normal?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
And if they were stopped just to search for legally owned guns the leo's involved should be fired.
"The on-duty sergeant conducted a traffic stop to investigate, but did not find any guns and released the men. Disgruntled, the men drove to the Dearborn police station to confront officers."
A stop to look for legally owned guns? You would be ok with the guy with a camera being shot?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I don't support what these guys did and would not do it myself. That being said I don't support random traffic stops without cause.
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Here is the initial stop. Real nice guys.... but still no reason to stop someone for wearing a ski mask when it's cold outside.
I think this is the clown in the mask:
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Here is the initial stop. Real nice guys.... but still no reason to stop someone for wearing a ski mask when it's cold outside.
I think this is the clown in the mask:
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No, but I would carry an AR around with me if allowed. I am a big fan of Open Carry to include handguns and long guns. That was the norm for many, many years in this Country. A time when fear did not rule the day.
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
I used to carry a .22 when I was a kid to the woods range. My friend did the same. We both had rifles. Never got a second look and I'm in my 30's so it was not that long ago.
All of society has become scared of their own shadows. Years ago there was a Communist behind every closed door and blade of grass, today the Boogie man is all around us.
General Americans are scared and they don't even know or understand why!
The more video I see of these guys the more I disagree with (and dislike) them. They are being combative assholes for no reason (contained in video). No idea why they were stopped originally but they are not helping themselves or the gun rights cause by acting like snowflakes/children.
If the cops stopped them illegally then they have a right to complain. Calling the cops dickweek, telling them to get their shit together and other insults don't make them heroes fighting the man in my book. Glad the open carry people disavowed them.
If the cops stopped them illegally then they have a right to complain. Calling the cops dickweek, telling them to get their shit together and other insults don't make them heroes fighting the man in my book. Glad the open carry people disavowed them.
nortatoga
.338 Win Mag
At 1:35 in the video the passenger comments " I don't know if you stopped" Did the driver roll though a Stop sign witch caused the stop?
ECU Pirates
.308 Win
He meant after when he was driving away I think.
All I know about these two, they do not represent me or other gun owners that I know. They are complete tools. I'll bet they still live with parents and play video games all day.
They look, speak and act complete idiots. Regardless if I believe the Police acted correctly or not, I hope these douche bags get jammed up good over this incident. I really hope it costs them some time and money. They are morons!
They look, speak and act complete idiots. Regardless if I believe the Police acted correctly or not, I hope these douche bags get jammed up good over this incident. I really hope it costs them some time and money. They are morons!
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Not so. Back in the pre Brady days when people bought guns at the hardware store along with a hammer and nails, the open carry of long guns was rare. Hell, even in the wild west days, the open carry of long guns wasn't common practice in towns. They actually had gun checks at the Sheriff office's in many towns.
Again. I'm not talking about rural areas. I'm talking about while frequenting businesses in cities and towns.
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It is more of the Norm in the United States than not. Not a matter of how many carry openly, just the fact that the law is more on the side of OC than not. Feelings are dictating too many of our laws. Years and years ago, my father used to carry his gun on occasion, when he did, he never covered it. No one ever said anything. It was no big deal back then. I have read from many members here that they used to bring their guns to school and go hunting on the way home. Shotguns carried, loaded in the back window of their pick up trucks. Fear and the boogie man has taken over.
A Map of Open Carry Laws in the United States:
Permissive Open Carrying
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Anomalous/Rural
Non-Permissive
A Map of Open Carry Laws in the United States:
Permissive Open Carrying
Licensed Open Carrying View attachment 10730
Anomalous/Rural
Non-Permissive
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
I'm not talking about the open carry of handguns although tactically, I have my own opinions on that.
I'm talking about the open carry of long guns. If you think it's normal to open carry a long gun while having a romantic dinner with your wife at an Italian restaurant followed by a show or a movie or while getting a haircut at the mall, you have issues.
Even where allowed and in states where guns aren't taboo people don't do that.
I'm not talking about the open carry of handguns although tactically, I have my own opinions on that.
I'm talking about the open carry of long guns. If you think it's normal to open carry a long gun while having a romantic dinner with your wife at an Italian restaurant followed by a show or a movie or while getting a haircut at the mall, you have issues.
Even where allowed and in states where guns aren't taboo people don't do that.
Of course there is a time and a place for everything in life. My point of all this was simple, fear and peoples hurt feelings are the reason why OC seems like such taboo. There are many that are not comfortable with OC of long guns and handguns, each to there own. Situations where the Police are called because of an Open Carrier of a guns is based nearly 100% on fear and ignorance.
And BTW, it should be the norm to carry a rifle if that is what one deems appropriate.