They may do some/most/all of these. It will depend on how the ruling is handed down, assuming it is in our favor (I think it is likely to be in our favor). Illinois did something similar back when they became shall issue around 2013 (I lived in Chicago starting in 2014), and Chicago put in a few more restrictions, but nothing that actually affected most people. The easiest thing for NY to do is what Illinois did, make those "no gun" signs enforceable as something more than a trespassing charge. Of course, concealed means concealed.
SCOTUS and the NYSRPA opinions
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kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think this case is going to address the administrative restrictions we have to deal with in NY.
Rather, it will compel areas like NYC, NJ, Hawaii, etc., that historically don't issue permits to us "little people" to do so.
Rather, it will compel areas like NYC, NJ, Hawaii, etc., that historically don't issue permits to us "little people" to do so.
What in total it addresses remains to be seen. The justices can view this as narrowly or as broadly as they wish. The words on paper will dictate, to some degree, what its effect will be. Additionally, how its interpreted ( the most important part- see Heller) will take, in my opinion, some time to play out. The opinion will be a singular day. What it truly means will take a long time.
I mean wrong.. it addresses "is the individuals
2A right to keep and bear arms for self defense outside the home is protected" and was the 2 plaintiffs 2A rights violated by denying them a right to carry for self defense
Yes you are missing something. The two plaintiffs from Rensselaer County were issued restricted licenses and sued to have them lifted that is the basis of the case against NYS. The link below in my signature is for the transcript of the oral arguments, you may want to read.
I agree with you as to that is the basis for the suit, but its still doesn't mean that the entirety of the ruling will, could or won't be broadened or narrowed. We will have to wait and see.
Thats a different conversation
Agreed. But lacking a crystal ball the old saying applies, " We won't know until we know "
.Ps- much respect for you responses.
Acer-m14
.950 JDJ
wonder what the fly on the wall has heard between the judges thoughts on the new member and how she was picked .. ? hummmm
if Thomas is doing the ruling he could be pissed off and just goes off ... PP's are unconstitutional .. or what ever ..
hell the court just made up that " qualified immunity " protection ..
if Thomas is doing the ruling he could be pissed off and just goes off ... PP's are unconstitutional .. or what ever ..
hell the court just made up that " qualified immunity " protection ..
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
Expect to be disappointed. These cases aren't brought before the court as a broad violation of 2A or the constitution. They're citing very specific issues in these cases, situations and the ruling will not go beyond the case boundaries.
Think of it like the AWB where in most situations the law is circumvented by a simple adjustment.
NY will simply adjust and the citizen can have his cases heard in about 40 years.
I mean, if the political establishment was worried, wouldn't they be talking nation wide AWB again?
Think of it like the AWB where in most situations the law is circumvented by a simple adjustment.
NY will simply adjust and the citizen can have his cases heard in about 40 years.
I mean, if the political establishment was worried, wouldn't they be talking nation wide AWB again?
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Bustedknees
.308 Win
No press leaks here.
pshift
.338 Win Mag
I for one, do not believe that there was ever a leak!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
Maybe the justices will be royally pissed about the recent draft being leaked and let that bleed into their language choice on this decision.
Minor difference in how they word things can have massive long term effects.
kev74
20×102mm Vulcan
Unfortunately, with Roberts leading they're more likely to reverse the decision to dodge the criticism.
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Beerman
.223 Rem
30 June, 2022, and not a moment before.
FrankenCub
.338 Win Mag
And it will be another ho-hum day. If you already have a restricted permit, you'll still have a restricted permit. Nothing will change for 95% of NYs gun owners.
RedBreast21
.223 Rem
No leak necessary. Buffalo will set the tone. You can read into that if you like.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
National Reciprocity! A permit issued in any state is good in any state! Bring it on!
Ok but that has nothing to do with the case brought before the court
I also think national reciprocity is extremely unlikely, ever. Correct me if I am wrong, but living in a republic will forever allow individual states to set thier own laws regardless of federal rules.
Celt
.338 Win Mag
I think its unlikely as well, but a state should not be able to deny a US citizen their rights because they are a resident of a particular state.
Agree 100%. Marriage and driver's licenses are honored across all 50 states. There should the same acceptance for guns as well.
Well, in 2016 when Trump was POTUS, AND the Republicans had control of BOTH houses... Reciprocity never got the sunshine it deserved!!!
So forget that fantasy! States will maintain their Sovereignty outside an act of Congress, and Congress hasn't had it's shit together for decades!
As for the SCOTUS NY decision... It will be what it will be... But things WILL change if it rules "May" issue is unconstitutional!!! It will change many States efforts on infringing upon it's residents Rights. The State will then have to exhibit WHY your RIGHT to bear arms be denied! Not like now where you have to show CAUSE as to WHY the State should bestow upon you the PERMISSION to do so!
It's a paradigm shift... And the State during arguments, failed to explain why NY is and should be unique as other States and municipalities that have looser standards than NY, do NOT have the problems that NY imagines in it's arguments to be reality. It was the same for the Safeact... NY didn't have any problems but reacted to events elsewhere as justification for enacting a Right Infringing Law.
But like I've mentioned and will wear out... The SCOTUS has no TEETH! So yeah, it's coming, but NY will just brush it off and do what they've always done. Just come up with some half cocked bullshit law that completely tramples and with EXTREME malfeasance, suppresses and denies NY'ers 2A Rights in novel and creative ways!
The SCRUTINY by which 2A laws are administered and applied is the major issue aside from the May/Shall issue. And NY should be the poster child if why THAT needs to be addressed. Because they will obfuscate and hide behind silly little requirements for a person exercising their 2A Rights as being necessary for public safety or the children, while the intent is readily clear. Watch how NY will REQUIRE firearm owners to carry insurance when for years they've denied this very thing. They'll continue to require training and specific storage requirements, totally infringement, but don't give a shit... And more!
So yeah, it will be nice to have the SCOTUS recognize and rule in citizens favor against overzealous Gov't action(s)... But ultimately it won't change the landscape much!
Better thing is to abandon all these mental misfit politicians to their own! Let NY consume itself... Let it run amuck with free wheeling illegal Immigrants on the public nipple. Let them find non existent jobs from businesses and industry leaving the state in droves, etc., etc... Let the State fail and collapse, so that maybe some day it can be borne anew!
Fuck NY!
I'm not physically gone yet, but mentally I'm long gone from this shit hole snowflake cooking pot! It won't be soon enough when I force outta here for the last time! There ARE places that don't weigh so heavy on your daily life, or your pursuit of happiness. There are places that just don't feel the need to orchestrate every aspect of your daily life! And that is FREEDOM... NY is anything and anyplace BUT! And until you get outside the pickle barrel, you really don't see how rotten the inside actually is...
Regards!
So forget that fantasy! States will maintain their Sovereignty outside an act of Congress, and Congress hasn't had it's shit together for decades!
As for the SCOTUS NY decision... It will be what it will be... But things WILL change if it rules "May" issue is unconstitutional!!! It will change many States efforts on infringing upon it's residents Rights. The State will then have to exhibit WHY your RIGHT to bear arms be denied! Not like now where you have to show CAUSE as to WHY the State should bestow upon you the PERMISSION to do so!
It's a paradigm shift... And the State during arguments, failed to explain why NY is and should be unique as other States and municipalities that have looser standards than NY, do NOT have the problems that NY imagines in it's arguments to be reality. It was the same for the Safeact... NY didn't have any problems but reacted to events elsewhere as justification for enacting a Right Infringing Law.
But like I've mentioned and will wear out... The SCOTUS has no TEETH! So yeah, it's coming, but NY will just brush it off and do what they've always done. Just come up with some half cocked bullshit law that completely tramples and with EXTREME malfeasance, suppresses and denies NY'ers 2A Rights in novel and creative ways!
The SCRUTINY by which 2A laws are administered and applied is the major issue aside from the May/Shall issue. And NY should be the poster child if why THAT needs to be addressed. Because they will obfuscate and hide behind silly little requirements for a person exercising their 2A Rights as being necessary for public safety or the children, while the intent is readily clear. Watch how NY will REQUIRE firearm owners to carry insurance when for years they've denied this very thing. They'll continue to require training and specific storage requirements, totally infringement, but don't give a shit... And more!
So yeah, it will be nice to have the SCOTUS recognize and rule in citizens favor against overzealous Gov't action(s)... But ultimately it won't change the landscape much!
Better thing is to abandon all these mental misfit politicians to their own! Let NY consume itself... Let it run amuck with free wheeling illegal Immigrants on the public nipple. Let them find non existent jobs from businesses and industry leaving the state in droves, etc., etc... Let the State fail and collapse, so that maybe some day it can be borne anew!
Fuck NY!
I'm not physically gone yet, but mentally I'm long gone from this shit hole snowflake cooking pot! It won't be soon enough when I force outta here for the last time! There ARE places that don't weigh so heavy on your daily life, or your pursuit of happiness. There are places that just don't feel the need to orchestrate every aspect of your daily life! And that is FREEDOM... NY is anything and anyplace BUT! And until you get outside the pickle barrel, you really don't see how rotten the inside actually is...
Regards!
spat
.700 Nitro Express
They already ruled that marriage licenses must be universally accepted.
Drivers licenses are also universal.
There is no logical reason for CC to be treated worse that driving.
Then bring a lawsuit up and try and get infront of scotus....
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Why not just identify as having a permit in every state?
If the Court takes up https://www.supremecourt.gov/Docket...ng v. Hawaii SCOTUS Petition amicus brief.pdf this may be the best way to national reciprocity, and the anti-gun states would do it to themselves! With History, Text and Tradition, Open carry is the true Constitutional Carry.
Remember all these cases are about being issued a license (permit) most states that have Open Carry no license is required (Before the wave of Constitution Carry)