shoot2much
.40 S&W
You think we're at higher tensions than the Cold War? IDK man, I have to differ with you on that.
SHTF. Are you ready?
- Thread starter meketrefe
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Come on guys a bit off topic is ok but don't trash the whole thing! lol
This is going to become handy to explain some alternative approaches.
I will follow with some key learnings and a series of fun exercises just to prove how we can improve some things in our plans.
Some of you have not even done your homework....
IMPORTANT (Cut and paste and answer the questions below)
I ran out of options for the multiple choice above but if you don't mind
please also tell me about the following. No need for long answers. If you have a BOB but don't know the answers yet just say
don't know yet or something like that. It is important to be honest here.
1) Do you carry some form of shelter or protection against the elements?
2) Is your plan to drive somewhere, walk, or what else? you can list them in the priority you plan them.
3) How far is where you are going?
4) If you are not going anywhere is your plan to go into hiding to come back ?
5) How much water and food do you carry and for how many days?
6) Do you think you have a good plan for a short term situation?
7) Do you have a plan for a long term situation?
This is going to become handy to explain some alternative approaches.
I will follow with some key learnings and a series of fun exercises just to prove how we can improve some things in our plans.
Some of you have not even done your homework....
IMPORTANT (Cut and paste and answer the questions below)
I ran out of options for the multiple choice above but if you don't mind
please also tell me about the following. No need for long answers. If you have a BOB but don't know the answers yet just say
don't know yet or something like that. It is important to be honest here.
1) Do you carry some form of shelter or protection against the elements?
2) Is your plan to drive somewhere, walk, or what else? you can list them in the priority you plan them.
3) How far is where you are going?
4) If you are not going anywhere is your plan to go into hiding to come back ?
5) How much water and food do you carry and for how many days?
6) Do you think you have a good plan for a short term situation?
7) Do you have a plan for a long term situation?
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Unless you have a suit to go with it, a mask in a nuclear environment is useless.
I wouldn't worry about getting one.
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
I'm only B4 but I really want to buy a 10x20. Bunker Layouts & Pricing - Rising S Bunkers
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
If you run into an AITOR knife check them out. (steel from spain)
I have one that have been using for 30+ years and after all sort of abuse still works and cuts like day one.
These are the new versions they are making. This is the Spanish Army Special Forces reissue.
I have one that have been using for 30+ years and after all sort of abuse still works and cuts like day one.
These are the new versions they are making. This is the Spanish Army Special Forces reissue.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
We will give this a few more days to collect all stats and learnings and then we will follow up with a series of simple exercises to test our plans and gear.
Initially I was thinking testing in order of importance hydration, food, clothing, shelter and so on.
I have a plan but please let me know if you have any ideas and suggestions.
Also who would be willing to write a bit about their results is they want to put the plan and themselves to the test.
We will segregate tasks so this will not affect our work schedule but it will require some dedication.
That is the only way to make sure that what you have is going to work for you.
It will be simple but it is more than a simple review and will be fun.
My plan is very simple yet solid, I hope.
Think of this as a postal match not to shoot targets but to validate our readiness.
Initially I was thinking testing in order of importance hydration, food, clothing, shelter and so on.
I have a plan but please let me know if you have any ideas and suggestions.
Also who would be willing to write a bit about their results is they want to put the plan and themselves to the test.
We will segregate tasks so this will not affect our work schedule but it will require some dedication.
That is the only way to make sure that what you have is going to work for you.
It will be simple but it is more than a simple review and will be fun.
My plan is very simple yet solid, I hope.
Think of this as a postal match not to shoot targets but to validate our readiness.
Marine Cpl
.577 Tyrannosaur.
Hydration, I could do better and stock up on more water. I also have a river within walking distance that I could boil water from and have survival straws.
Food, I'm steadily growing cheaply with dry beans and pasta.
Clothing, I'm good. I have the latest under armor, 20 below sleeping bags for everyone, ect.
Fuel, I have a camping stove that runs on twigs and pine cones.
Ammo, I'm good. I need to get duplicates of my main firearms to stash though.
Food, I'm steadily growing cheaply with dry beans and pasta.
Clothing, I'm good. I have the latest under armor, 20 below sleeping bags for everyone, ect.
Fuel, I have a camping stove that runs on twigs and pine cones.
Ammo, I'm good. I need to get duplicates of my main firearms to stash though.
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Short term I think I would be fine for the reasons I listed earlier. But I have no idea where I would go. Chances are I would be on the road in a a SHTF situation so there is no way for for me to know. Long term? I have no house, nor other place to bunker up. I have no place to store large amounts of supplies nor money for said supplies. Frankly after November I won't give a rat's ass about survival. I don't give a damn about anything anymore so screw it.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I expect to find my destination within 2-3 days walk.
But this is what I am doing:
- Ideally I will reach my target in 2-3 days but I prepare for worse so for one week I am going to eat only from my emergency pack.
- During the same week I will only drink what I can carry and can retrieve by the means exclusively provided by my emergency pack and skills. I use water from streams and ponds after properly processed.
- I will use my backyard and will not use any resources or utensils in my homestead and only what I carry in my pack.
- That week I will walk the distance required to my destination that is 55 miles but I will do as many miles as I can during that week.
- I normally walk 4 to 7 miles daily so I will be doubling or tripling my best daily routine. I will do 2hrs early in the morning and 2hrs after work.
- I will be carrying my pack with me during my walks. I will bring back water as needed so I can cook and be hydrated. I will not eat at work.
I don't want this to interfere with my work week so I will not be doing the shelter testing during this week. But I want to test a few more things
and get a feeling of things that need to be tuned up. I know some of you have already tested the winter gear and I will do that during the winter.
My pack is very simple and resembles more the spirit of a Yukon explorer.
We will start another thread to explain this in detail.
Anyone who wants to test their stuff and write about the process let me know.
Any ideas or suggestions are highly appreciated.
This can be done at any time that is convenient for anyone but if someone wants to try the same week then we can exchange
experiences via the new thread.
But this is what I am doing:
- Ideally I will reach my target in 2-3 days but I prepare for worse so for one week I am going to eat only from my emergency pack.
- During the same week I will only drink what I can carry and can retrieve by the means exclusively provided by my emergency pack and skills. I use water from streams and ponds after properly processed.
- I will use my backyard and will not use any resources or utensils in my homestead and only what I carry in my pack.
- That week I will walk the distance required to my destination that is 55 miles but I will do as many miles as I can during that week.
- I normally walk 4 to 7 miles daily so I will be doubling or tripling my best daily routine. I will do 2hrs early in the morning and 2hrs after work.
- I will be carrying my pack with me during my walks. I will bring back water as needed so I can cook and be hydrated. I will not eat at work.
I don't want this to interfere with my work week so I will not be doing the shelter testing during this week. But I want to test a few more things
and get a feeling of things that need to be tuned up. I know some of you have already tested the winter gear and I will do that during the winter.
My pack is very simple and resembles more the spirit of a Yukon explorer.
We will start another thread to explain this in detail.
Anyone who wants to test their stuff and write about the process let me know.
Any ideas or suggestions are highly appreciated.
This can be done at any time that is convenient for anyone but if someone wants to try the same week then we can exchange
experiences via the new thread.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Not knowing where you would go today doesn't mean that you could not know where to go if the time comes.
Whatever the situation it doesn't hurt to test one's skills. Good tactics is a lot more important than having a perfect plan.
Perfect planning w/o tactics is like a beautiful car without an engine inside.
I will never know where I'm going because I never know where I'll be. Day before yesterday I was in Tennessee, today I'm in PA, tomorrow I'll be on my way to Indiana and I've not a clue where they want me after that. Makes a travel goal kinda complicated eh?
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Robin
.475 A&M Magnum
I come from the nowhere, go to the no place, and poof, here I am!
Robin
Robin
fartgamer
.223 Rem
I'm heading for Cuomo's crib, plenty of food, power and large screen tv's.
Proof there is a god.
George Soros: ‘I Am A God, I Created Everything, I Control America And Hillary Clinton’
Proof there is a god.
George Soros: ‘I Am A God, I Created Everything, I Control America And Hillary Clinton’
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Here is a nearly organized list of warnings and red flags from multiple places
5 Urgent Warnings From Big Banks That the “Economy Has Gone Suicidal”
5 Urgent Warnings From Big Banks That the “Economy Has Gone Suicidal”
Snappo
6.5 Creedmoor
Think I can get logged into all the good porn websites from his crib? If so, I am totally going too.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
Mr. Kearney even shows you how to make a geiger counter with some crumpled up drywall a campbell soup can and a piece of string!!!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Lets not derail too much.
Is Anyone going to test their hydration and food supply?
As stated before...
I expect to find my destination within 2-3 days walk.
But this is what I am doing:
- Ideally I will reach my target in 2-3 days but I prepare for worse so for one week I am going to eat only from my emergency pack.
- During the same week I will only drink what I can carry and can retrieve by the means exclusively provided by my emergency pack and skills. I use water from streams and ponds after properly processed.
- I will use my backyard and will not use any resources or utensils in my homestead and only what I carry in my pack.
- That week I will walk the distance required to my destination that is 55 miles but I will do as many miles as I can during that week.
- I normally walk 4 to 7 miles daily so I will be doubling or tripling my best daily routine. I will do 2hrs early in the morning and 2hrs after work.
- I will be carrying my pack with me during my walks. I will bring back water as needed so I can cook and be hydrated. I will not eat at work.
I don't want this to interfere with my work week so I will not be doing the shelter testing during this week. But I want to test a few more things
and get a feeling of things that need to be tuned up. I know some of you have already tested the winter gear and I will do that during the winter.
My pack is very simple and resembles more the spirit of a Yukon explorer.
We will start another thread to explain this in detail.
Anyone who wants to test their stuff and write about the process let me know.
Any ideas or suggestions are highly appreciated.
This can be done at any time that is convenient for anyone but if someone wants to try the same week then we can exchange
experiences via the new thread.
Is Anyone going to test their hydration and food supply?
As stated before...
I expect to find my destination within 2-3 days walk.
But this is what I am doing:
- Ideally I will reach my target in 2-3 days but I prepare for worse so for one week I am going to eat only from my emergency pack.
- During the same week I will only drink what I can carry and can retrieve by the means exclusively provided by my emergency pack and skills. I use water from streams and ponds after properly processed.
- I will use my backyard and will not use any resources or utensils in my homestead and only what I carry in my pack.
- That week I will walk the distance required to my destination that is 55 miles but I will do as many miles as I can during that week.
- I normally walk 4 to 7 miles daily so I will be doubling or tripling my best daily routine. I will do 2hrs early in the morning and 2hrs after work.
- I will be carrying my pack with me during my walks. I will bring back water as needed so I can cook and be hydrated. I will not eat at work.
I don't want this to interfere with my work week so I will not be doing the shelter testing during this week. But I want to test a few more things
and get a feeling of things that need to be tuned up. I know some of you have already tested the winter gear and I will do that during the winter.
My pack is very simple and resembles more the spirit of a Yukon explorer.
We will start another thread to explain this in detail.
Anyone who wants to test their stuff and write about the process let me know.
Any ideas or suggestions are highly appreciated.
This can be done at any time that is convenient for anyone but if someone wants to try the same week then we can exchange
experiences via the new thread.
Testing and using your equipment is vital.
I know people who have bought nearly everything possible for the event(s) that they think is going to happen. When I ask if they have tested their gear, most have stated no. They don't want to use up what they have. They would be forced to buy more. Same with their food stores. They buy this "Forever" food and never try the meals. How do you know it will work for you. The taste may completely gross you out. Your body may not accept it.
Trial and error for your gear is a must!!!
I know people who have bought nearly everything possible for the event(s) that they think is going to happen. When I ask if they have tested their gear, most have stated no. They don't want to use up what they have. They would be forced to buy more. Same with their food stores. They buy this "Forever" food and never try the meals. How do you know it will work for you. The taste may completely gross you out. Your body may not accept it.
Trial and error for your gear is a must!!!
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Testing is as important as having the equipment in the first place.
Why do you think I don't use REMs?
I had to eat that garbage during landing exercises so screw that.
I mean they are eatable but I cannot imagine anyone having that on the table day after day.
So many things we need to test. The water treatment methods are so important.
And the skills too. One can never learn enough, it is about having alternatives.
The first time I tested one of the BO routes with my cousin he was so excited, ...and
then he had to quit the first day totally exhausted from being out of shape.
He is doing exercise now. I think it was a huge eye opener how much it takes to walk
20 or 30 miles / day.
Why do you think I don't use REMs?
I had to eat that garbage during landing exercises so screw that.
I mean they are eatable but I cannot imagine anyone having that on the table day after day.
So many things we need to test. The water treatment methods are so important.
And the skills too. One can never learn enough, it is about having alternatives.
The first time I tested one of the BO routes with my cousin he was so excited, ...and
then he had to quit the first day totally exhausted from being out of shape.
He is doing exercise now. I think it was a huge eye opener how much it takes to walk
20 or 30 miles / day.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Nobody else wants to put things to the test and write about it?
If the responses are accurate (see stats above ) and you expect that king of scenarios then I would say exercises like this
are pretty critical and to be consistent with expectations. It is ok if people do it and they do not want to say anything, but please do it.
Any other areas that would be more interesting aside from testing water treatment and nourishment?
If the responses are accurate (see stats above ) and you expect that king of scenarios then I would say exercises like this
are pretty critical and to be consistent with expectations. It is ok if people do it and they do not want to say anything, but please do it.
Any other areas that would be more interesting aside from testing water treatment and nourishment?
I know one aspect I haven't looked into yet but plan to soon is cook books or cooking techniques for SHTF. Not a glorious or fun topic but a very overlooked. I like to buy the canned freeze dried components not the meals but that's just me. After I build my house I hope to buy more and use the comments in everyday cooking in order to rotate the stock and find out what works and what doesn't. So cook book review or recipe review or food items that work don't work would be very interesting to me.
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This is an excellent topic! I have been preparing the food based on ancient traditions simple and good. I have a big influence from what the mountain folks
and shepherds do in Europe with salted cured meat and grains.
It is quite simple to put together for an emergency pack, tasty and super easy to prepare. It is so easy you could start any time even if you don't have anything
else you could have a simple contingency pack for a few bucks and rotate the food as needed and part of your normal supply.
Many things we need might have already in the house.
I need to learn more about this and actually put it to use. We process our own deer so I'm not shy about what to do there. It's more the everyday cooking and supplies I don't know much about.
Foxtrapper
.40 S&W
I guess I have always been a prepper, although maybe I didn't really realize that in the earlier days. I have always grown my own food. Every year I garden like it could be the last year I get too. We can, we hunt, we grow our own hogs, beef and chicken. We will do ok when shtf happens. We are well armed, have ammo, and know how to reload. One thing I can tell you is that you need to get your plans hammered out, and know what you are going to do should shtf.
As and aside, zombies are real, and do pose a threat to those who have stuff to protect..(zombies = those who have not prepared, at all)...
As and aside, zombies are real, and do pose a threat to those who have stuff to protect..(zombies = those who have not prepared, at all)...
Completely agreed.
I was raised in the Caribbean. Hurricanes are as frequent, and sometimes as long as baseball season. Unfortunately most people don't have the wherewithal or disposable income to have stored provisions. So each hurricane season with an impending strike there are people who run out and buy "supplies" that either does not fit their lifestyle (kerosene lamps in small, poorly enclosed apartment like spaces) or that they cannot integrate into their daily lives.
I am not a prepper, never was, never will be. Even if I was, one of the things a good prepper knows is to not broadcast
about what they have prepped to any community of possible dependents.Having been caught in a couple of full scale riots, and a couple of MINOR civil unrests, I hope the day that I have to uproot my family never comes. Still, I keep those walkie talkies charged (and now a small camera equipped drone), and routinely talk about what we would do for everything from being stuck in a snow storm, to being stuck on the Metro North at 79st to being without power for a few weeks.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
lets do a drill .. when the outside temp hits 35F punch the main breaker in the house .. what you have is all you got .. no running to the store or gas station .. 48 hour drill .. or maybe a 72 hr one .. i'm getting this fuzzy boy scout winter camp o ree feeling now LOL ..
meketrefe
.450/400 Nitro Ex
@Acer-m14 ,
Why not right?
The whole idea here is to test whatever aspects
Of ones plans to whatever extent one is able to test.
I think one of the most important lessons has nothing to do with the equipment nor the methods but simply one's state of mind towards readiness and accepting uncomfortable positions and make the best of them. This alone is 10,000 better than sitting around discussing plans and equipment.
So, DO IT!!! ..then report back.
Why not right?
The whole idea here is to test whatever aspects
Of ones plans to whatever extent one is able to test.
I think one of the most important lessons has nothing to do with the equipment nor the methods but simply one's state of mind towards readiness and accepting uncomfortable positions and make the best of them. This alone is 10,000 better than sitting around discussing plans and equipment.
So, DO IT!!! ..then report back.