Springfield and Rock River, Still Evil?
- Thread starter Phauxtoe
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SA's stubborn refusal to admit they damn well knew what was going on insults my intelligence, fuck em. Never was interested in any Rock River offers so............ DOOOOOOON'T CAAAAARE!
Fuck Springfield
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Once upon a time Smith & Wesson and Ruger were on the shit list, this too shall pass.
Atleast S&W and Ruger have been making good stuff and have always made stuff, unlike Springfield
Ruger only made some good stuff. They make a few things really well but they make their fair share of bullshit as well. I remember when mini-14s and 30s were considered crap and sold for maybe $120.
Springfield made fantastic rifles in the past. I am talking like 100 years ago though. They made good M-1s and the '03 rifles were the pinnacle of bolt action military rifles. One does need to appreciate those rifles though to get what i am saying. With that said they are making shit these days that is way to expensive.
Companies either survive the market with the bread and butter guns(example the 10/22, Ruger, or say a j-frame .38, S&W) or try dumping money into designs that are cheap and easy to manufacture and fail(example the XD pistol line, Springfield).
You do understand the company called Springfield right now has no actual affiliation with the actual Springfield Armory? The Springfield every one knows today is just a name some dude in Illinois purchased the rights to use back in the 70s.
Do not every mix up the great Springfield Armory with that trash importer from Illinois
***edit*** and just saw the dumb shit you wrote at the end about Springfield making XD, no sorry they dont do shit with the XD but bring it into the country and out their shit name on it and sell it
The Croatian HS2000 was an outstanding pistol at the original import price of what, $200, $250?
But when SA put their name to it and doubled the price I was out. Why pay double for a stupid rollmark?
I would agree(ish), if it was $200 it would be an acceptable entry level learning handgun. The price Springfield is charging for and trying to pass them off as duty guns is not acceptable
Well I don't know about the entry level learning thing. To me they seem no better or worse than any Glock or M&P pistol. I never liked the pineapple grip texture and I could do without the grip safety.
I say entry / learning due to things like the heavy trigger (I guess it has been improved. I could care less) and the grip safety, that being the biggest issue with the design (wont even go into their XD-E shit) it's not needed and causes many catastrophic failures
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Interesting, my SA 1911's are all US made. The XD's crap.
Oh boy they make a shit knock off 1911. Good for them being able to build a 107 year old design......... I mean damn that's like trying to talk about how Taurus can make a decent revolver
The XD is the only thing they import.
You know what SA's real problem is now?
Competition. You can get quality 1911s from anyone now, they only got into the AR game recently and the only real area they have to themselves is the production m14 market aka the M1A. But are there enough people still interested in the M1A to float the whole company?
Specific examples:
1911, on the lower end you have Rock Island and Remington, mid range they compete against the best production 1911s available in the Dan Wesson. In fact if you are looking to spend around $1500 on a 1911 why you wouldn't get a Dan Wesson is beyond me. At the high end where their "Proffesional" model sits you are in Wilson Combat, Les Brown, Nighthawk ect. territory.
There AR is lost in an ocean of competition.
There really aren't many stand out products that SA offers that can't either be had from other manufacturers that are either cheaper or higher quality.
So with the negative publicity tarnishing their name they are screwed.
But. But but but American first armory
***edit*** well I mean the name is the same sooo meh dont be mean, feelings
Oh and the M1A is nothing compared to an equal priced AR-10
Speaking to my orginal point, if I wanted an M1A type gun I would save up for an LRB.
Also, I was considering an SA Operator TRP in 10mm but the CZ/Dan Wesson wisely expanded their 10mm models so I'd rather get a Dan Wesson.
Cheap "entry level" AR? I'd go with an M&P15 sport over the Saint. Those loaded Saints get a little up there, for $1,000+ I am very, very happy with Daniel Defense but at that level you also have the industry favorite BCM. And countless others.
There is simply no need to buy an SA product, boycotting them is very easy. And that is what's kicking their ass right now.
See I'm glad someone can be a little more articulate thanmyself, I sadly just go with the blunt they are shit their guns are shit and can buy better doesnt usually work for people (they really don't want to do their own research)
What I'm trying to argue is that I don't think SA's products are shit. But for everything they have there is an alternative, either cheaper or better.
Well ok, so the XD, shit, the company shit, the other products based on their price point ...... shit
A logical argument is stronger than one based on hyperbole y'know.
I get that, but sadly over the years I have learned dealing with both sides, more abrupt approaches are the only ones heard
***edit*** horseshoe theory
I have purchased many SA's. I have never boycotted them and I never will. I love their guns. Always have and always will.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
I have yet to meet someone who has owned or handled an xd pistol that doesn’t like them. I know many glock converts to the xd pistol line. I have one and love it. I’ve talked to many people who say I have one too and love it or that’s my next gun I shot a buddy of mines and loved it. One of my good friends just bought one, the pastor at my church just bought one. I’m sure there are a few that don’t like them, but hey I didn’t like the glock or the MP that’s why I bought the Springfield.
If you ever run across me you will have met that person. IMO the M&P has it all over the XD.
Glock will always be Glock, comparisons are almost irrelevant.
Spohn315
9mm
Just purchased one myself. I handled a handful of glocks and I hated them. Didn’t feel right or comfortable in my hands at all. The XDs on the other hand fit in my hand like a glove. Felt extremely well made. Didn’t feel cheap at all.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Another indication that people like the xd line up is that I do t see used ones very often at all. In fact I see a lot of used glocks. Could be there are more glocks in circulation and I’m not saying glocks are inferior, but I liked the xd trigger way better and I felt it was built more solidly than a glock for $100 less.
Hahhhahhahahhaa
Guys come one stop please I cant handle all this, its it's just to funny to read all this and take any of you seriously.
There is a reason some major instructors dont allow them in their classes. And I think there might be only 1 national instructor that even shoots an XD and that's be cause they pay him to risk his life with one
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Spohn315
9mm
Now clearly I am no expert but are you talking about the XD recall back in 2013? I hope you wouldn’t sit here and bash a product the way you do for a recall that happened almost 6 years ago. If that’s the case I would love to see what you drive and hope that, that manufacturer has never had to issue a recall for something that could be potentially dangerous ever. Im sure if the firearm was as unsafe as you make it out to be it wouldn’t be in every gun shop I walk into that sells pistols.
I get it, you don’t like them because they are imported with Springfield’s name stamped on to it but go take a walk around your house. I’m sure I could pull out mounds of stuff that was imported from another country with someone else’s name on it. Welcome to America in 2018.