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Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)
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That_FNG
.308 Win
Looks like they are giving the 2nd a chance to view the merits and then rule. and if the rule is not inline with Bruen then SCOTUS will step in.
“"Applicants should not be deterred by today's order from again seeking relief if the Second Circuit does not, within a reasonable time, provide an explanation for its stay order or expedite consideration of the appeal."
Sucks but Judges are sticklers for procedure. I don't like it, but I get it. The second circuit has now been put on watch by the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court has now let the second know in no explicit terms that they are watching the second circuit very very closely. Basically the Supreme Court is giving the second circuit court an opportunity to the right thing in a reasonable time frame other wise the Supreme Court will be stepping in and handling things
I also picked up on the use of “merit”. notice how NYS has been making all its arguments in regards to “standing” ? NYS is trying to get every case tossed by claiming the plaintiff has no standing, because NYS knows if it is decides on the merit of the case that NYS will lose. Thus by claiming nobody has standing and thus nobody has grounds to sue, nys is trying to avoid an actual trial where the merit of case is what matters.
“"Applicants should not be deterred by today's order from again seeking relief if the Second Circuit does not, within a reasonable time, provide an explanation for its stay order or expedite consideration of the appeal."
Sucks but Judges are sticklers for procedure. I don't like it, but I get it. The second circuit has now been put on watch by the Supreme Court and the Supreme Court has now let the second know in no explicit terms that they are watching the second circuit very very closely. Basically the Supreme Court is giving the second circuit court an opportunity to the right thing in a reasonable time frame other wise the Supreme Court will be stepping in and handling things
I also picked up on the use of “merit”. notice how NYS has been making all its arguments in regards to “standing” ? NYS is trying to get every case tossed by claiming the plaintiff has no standing, because NYS knows if it is decides on the merit of the case that NYS will lose. Thus by claiming nobody has standing and thus nobody has grounds to sue, nys is trying to avoid an actual trial where the merit of case is what matters.
There's no reason for them to. What's in it for them? If SCOTUS wants to eventually overturn them then great. What consequence will they face? None. Why would the 2nd make it easier on us than they have to? They wouldn't.
maverick52
.223 Rem
He makes the same arguments I make. Today wasn’t a loss. It was a setback but also put the lower courts on notice to get in line. We have been encouraged to seek relief again if the lower courts do not act in reasonable time
Yes but no deadline given. What's a reasonable time? A week? A month? 6 Months? 18 Months?
I don't put much faith in this. Seems like they dont want to be bothered with it. It's not like its something important like our natural rights or anything that they have decided to allow to continue to be violated.
What a joke.
maverick52
.223 Rem
That’s a good question. But I think 30 days is more than reasonable. If I were the applicants I would apply for relief again next month
Deplorable Me
.700 Nitro Express
Being a New Yorker I now know what it feels like to be locked in steerage on the Titanic. Second class citizen on a ship of fools.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
Good news...
Like saying a severe reaction to the clot shot means it's working.
Like saying a severe reaction to the clot shot means it's working.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
I just had to watch this one.....LOL
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
There is a thread on that steaming pile already.
cranberry
9mm
I goggled reasonable time frame and it says the standard is from 48 hours to 10 calendar days so we'll see .
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Oh, sorry, i didn`t know.
ArmedCorgi
.475 A&M Magnum
I'm thinking SCOTUS wants the 2nd to bend the knee.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
While the court on Wednesday let a New York handgun restriction stand pending further legal action, Alito essentially said the challengers should remain vigilant and keep the pressure on the courts.
"Applicants should not be deterred by today's order from again seeking relief" if the appeals court doesn't move swiftly or explain its actions, Alito wrote, joined by Thomas, in a statement issued with the Supreme Court's order.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I have a fee
The way I look at it, I would rather a well-formed and strong appeal so it makes it very difficult for NY to try to weasel in anything after a decision in our favor has been made. Sometimes this does take time.
Going back to my first statement... it's like what one does to take their time to work on something, but makes one party happy for now till they get it finalized, then the real deal is out. I have to do this occasionally at work... it's a true PITA, but it's more of a mind game than anything. I also do this when I need to make an resounding NO... I make it look like I had a long hard thinking session about it, versus just saying NO from the get go... like a stall tactic.
Maybe I got too much hope? I try to be positive.......
I have a feeling some gears are turning in the background to make it look like they are working on it.
The way I look at it, I would rather a well-formed and strong appeal so it makes it very difficult for NY to try to weasel in anything after a decision in our favor has been made. Sometimes this does take time.
Going back to my first statement... it's like what one does to take their time to work on something, but makes one party happy for now till they get it finalized, then the real deal is out. I have to do this occasionally at work... it's a true PITA, but it's more of a mind game than anything. I also do this when I need to make an resounding NO... I make it look like I had a long hard thinking session about it, versus just saying NO from the get go... like a stall tactic.
Maybe I got too much hope? I try to be positive.......
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
They need to rile up their base so that the left is ok with packing the Supreme Court or over ruling the Bruen decision.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
I doubt the Supreme Court is googling that or that they care about what google says.
Saltwater60
.950 JDJ
Granting our stay would not have interfered with any of your thoughts here. The stay should have been granted.
ManualF150
.308 Win
Oh, trust me, I totally agree.
We have a younger women at work, lives alone in a sketchy area, and used to legally CCW as unrestricted since she was 22, now she won't because of the CCIA. I tried telling her that she needs to just carry anyways before she gets raped, but she doesn't feel comfortable. I don't know what else to do... she doesn't want to break any laws.
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
No....trust ME....ive been carrying 24/7 legally with an UNRESTRICTED CCW since 1989....no one feels less comfortable than me going ANYWHERE without my sidearm on my right hip. The majority of ppl with permits in this state have been unaffected by the CCIA because they've held hunting/target permits since day 1....
Wat?
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
Wat?
My point is that prior to the CCIA, ppl with restricted permits technically weren't allowed to carry in most places....while not illegal, they did risk, at the discretion of the issuing authority, of having their permits revoked if found to be carrying in most areas. Ive never agreed with it....im just sayin....Wat?
The Bruen decision and the CCIA deal with the law. Restrictions have nothing to do with the law.
They were never "technically" not allowed to.
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
I think most ppl understand exactly what I said my friend. Its been common knowledge for years that issuing authorities have had the power to revoke permits of restricted permit holders if found carrying in places other than the range and hunting....to and from....etc...
Yes, that's been the unsubstantiated rumor for years.
They also have the power to revoke permits for any other reason.
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
Reread my post....I specifically said "while not illegal..."
And then you ruined it with "technically not allowed", which of course isn't true.
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
Lol
GlockModel29
.40 S&W
Are you a CCW holder and if so, was it restricted prior to Bruen?