4WHLDRFTN
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Trump derelict for not calling off Jan 6th mob
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"President Donald Trump’s top national security officials never intended to pull all U.S. troops out of Afghanistan, according to new statements by Chris Miller, Trump’s last acting defense secretary.
Miller said the president’s public promise to finish withdrawing U.S. forces by May 1, as negotiated with the Taliban, was actually a “play” that masked the Trump administration’s true intentions: to convince Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to quit or accept a bitter power-sharing agreement with the Taliban, and to keep some U.S. troops in Afghanistan for counterrorism missions."
Miller said the president’s public promise to finish withdrawing U.S. forces by May 1, as negotiated with the Taliban, was actually a “play” that masked the Trump administration’s true intentions: to convince Afghan President Ashraf Ghani to quit or accept a bitter power-sharing agreement with the Taliban, and to keep some U.S. troops in Afghanistan for counterrorism missions."
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spat
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If that's what it took, yes.
It was even considered "legal" when people did it to "maintain" slavery.
The people who led the south in the Civil War did not go to prison for it.
spat
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What you call the confederate flag was not the flag of the confederacy.
It was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.
The flag of the Confederate States of America is a completely different flag. They are as different as the American flag and the USMC globe and anchor flag.
Good Americans fought and died under that flag.
Some of America's greatest generals flew it in battle.
It was no more the flag of slavery than the Gadsden flag is the flag of tax free tea.
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spat
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" the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
--Ronald Reagan
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Brother against brother - Wikipedia
You would probably like it that people would stop showing your stupidity to the world. Like most Lefties, you seem incapable of understanding reality and only "want it to stop".
so, I'll stop. Not because you are right, which you most obviously are not, but because you bore me. You have become nothing more than a ventriloquist dummy, parroting out the usual talking points of an out-of-control oppressive regime, with no capacity for critical thinking of your own.
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"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal."
Cornerstone Speech
In his March 21, 1861, Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens presents what he believes are the reasons for what he termed was...
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal."
Saltwater60
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So nothing changed from when Trump set up that time table? Biden has made promises too and has modified them repeatedly. He couldn’t have done that in this case? Do you even hear how ridiculous you sound? It’s sad really. Biden left Americans and equipment behind in Afghanistan so if he was going to stick to the timetable he should have removed or destroyed our sensitive equipment and removed our citizens. I’ll give it to Biden that he warned people to leave, but could they and did they get the message. It’s sad that retired servicemen and women did a better job than Biden and America at removing our people. Look at operation pineapple. Also don’t forget in retaliation Biden bombed a humanitarian worker getting water for the good afghans trying to flee Taliban rule he emboldened. Yep that’s your president.
Saltwater60
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Then Biden should have been prepared, he wasn’t, he failed, he left people behind, he killed innocents and our service people. I’m glad you’re proud of his failures
Why is August 31 the date for the US pullout from Afghanistan? - France 24
Why is August 31 the date for the US pullout from Afghanistan?www.france24.com
"Former president Donald Trump set an agreement with the Taliban insurgents in February 2020 that all US forces would withdraw from Afghanistan by May 1 this year."
...Biden forced the Taliban to wait an extra 3 months.
Saltwater60
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What I don’t get is if ronstar is here because he supports the second amendment why doesn’t he post in those threads or share his opinion. He seems to only post his liberal talking points provided by the left and spews them at us.
ronstar
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Which innocents did Biden "kill"?
Because he supports the 2nd as much as Schmucky Chucky or heil hochul?
ronstar
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Schumer is not a gun owner, I own two.
holdover
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Requested quote:
Cornerstone Speech
In his March 21, 1861, Cornerstone Speech, Confederate Vice President Alexander H. Stephens presents what he believes are the reasons for what he termed was...
"Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery subordination to the superior race is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth. This truth has been slow in the process of its development, like all other truths in the various departments of science. It has been so even amongst us. Many who hear me, perhaps, can recollect well, that this truth was not generally admitted, even within their day. The errors of the past generation still clung to many as late as twenty years ago. Those at the North, who still cling to these errors, with a zeal above knowledge, we justly denominate fanatics. All fanaticism springs from an aberration of the mind from a defect in reasoning. It is a species of insanity. One of the most striking characteristics of insanity, in many instances, is forming correct conclusions from fancied or erroneous premises; so with the anti-slavery fanatics. Their conclusions are right if their premises were. They assume that the negro is equal, and hence conclude that he is entitled to equal privileges and rights with the white man. If their premises were correct, their conclusions would be logical and just but their premise being wrong, their whole argument fails. I recollect once of having heard a gentleman from one of the northern States, of great power and ability, announce in the House of Representatives, with imposing effect, that we of the South would be compelled, ultimately, to yield upon this subject of slavery, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics, as it was in physics or mechanics. That the principle would ultimately prevail. That we, in maintaining slavery as it exists with us, were warring against a principle, a principle founded in nature, the principle of the equality of men. The reply I made to him was, that upon his own grounds, we should, ultimately, succeed, and that he and his associates, in this crusade against our institutions, would ultimately fail. The truth announced, that it was as impossible to war successfully against a principle in politics as it was in physics and mechanics, I admitted; but told him that it was he, and those acting with him, who were warring against a principle. They were attempting to make things equal which the Creator had made unequal."
Well , considering that nobody gives a shit what Kamallah Harris says , I award you half a point for qouteing the vice president .
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ronstar
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His words seem to be very much representing the views of most of the Confederate States, which made it very clear that defending the institution of slavery was their main objective for seccession.
4WHLDRFTN
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Didnt you read the rules ? You need atleast 5 to join here … Now go away
ronstar
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Now you're just making up silly rules.
4WHLDRFTN
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sound familiar eh
ronstar
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Ummm.....okee
ronstar
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By the way I find it humorous that people who don't like my posts don't just ignore me. I'm not going to be intimidated/bullied into leaving the forum, sorry.
spat
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Lol, no, nothing about the Biden withdrawn followed the Trump timetable.
Trump's timetable was based on milestones, not dates. You do not move to phase 3 until the phase 2 milestones are reached.
He did have target dates for the phases, but it was clear that you complete one whether it takes longer or not before moving on to the next.
And Biden didn't even stick to the dates, let alone the milestones.
As usual for the left, he wanted us out when it was most politically expedient to leave, not when the conditions were right for a successful withdrawl.
ronstar
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It's true, Trump committed to a full withdrawal by May, but Biden extended it to August.
There is no evidence that Trump's withdrawal schedule was based on milestones that had to be met in order to justify further withdrawal.