Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
Pfft. They'll make themselves exempt.
Temporary Restaining Order Issued For Concealed Carry Improvement Act (merged thread)
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JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Yup! And THAT needs to change! They are NOT above the law...END OF STORY, PERIOD!
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
they havent yet
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
what would it take to change 922r to exempt ATF ( leo ) ?
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
A simple decree from the ATF, exactly as they made a simple decree about the braces in the first place.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
And that, will never happen. I don`t see them ever giving an inch, ever.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
See I feel bad for him the LEO’s would have to follow the same rules. I appreciate his post but that’s the reason to fight this??
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
He said that’s why it hasn’t gone into effect or he thinks that’s why. If the agents say they will support it if they are exempt and it goes into effect then we’ll there’s your answer.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
I dunno.... Maybe he just put the video out there for "damage control" (???)
spat
.700 Nitro Express
What I'd like to see is someone challenge the entire NFA over this.
Claim the law is unconstitutionally vague, since even the federal agency tasked with enforcement can determine what is prohibited consistently.
I.e. if the foremost experts in the world on the NFA got bump stocks wrong (either before, or now) then obviously the law doesn't provide clear notice to the public about what is and isn't prohibited.
That's the classic definition of unconstitutionally vague.
It would be fantastic if their change of policy on bumpstocks led to the downfall of the entire MG prohibition. "The ATF can't even tell what is or isn't a machinegun prohibited by NFA 34, what hope does the public have".
Claim the law is unconstitutionally vague, since even the federal agency tasked with enforcement can determine what is prohibited consistently.
I.e. if the foremost experts in the world on the NFA got bump stocks wrong (either before, or now) then obviously the law doesn't provide clear notice to the public about what is and isn't prohibited.
That's the classic definition of unconstitutionally vague.
It would be fantastic if their change of policy on bumpstocks led to the downfall of the entire MG prohibition. "The ATF can't even tell what is or isn't a machinegun prohibited by NFA 34, what hope does the public have".
John Stark
.44 mag
Typically when I post I am not attempting to make it a matter of going after someone in a personal manner, so I was not singling you out. I endeavor to do deal with ideas, policy, viewpoints, theory, and so on, with pointed comments about the consequences taking certain stands or accepting certain views entail. That doesn't mean that I have never resorted to rhetorical fisticuffs on occasion on this forum, but it is typically not my intention to single out one person in some Alinky-esque manner.Ok, so what are you doing any different?
I am not happy with any of this and since I try to comply because it is a federal and state license that I carry to sell.... Until we can move it seems like that is about as much as I can thumb my nose at the garbage, putting a few more guns out there.
If anyone notice the SC also turned down the suit brought by several gun stores asking for emergency relief.
ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zerowww.zerohedge.com
That being said, you stated something along the lines of "here we all are waiting..." on the courts. Seems pretty clear that you meant, "Waiting on the courts to find out if we can exercise our RKBA."
And THAT is precisely the problem.
I don't know how long you've been posting here. I have consistently stated that giving up any fundamental Right for a permission slip to exercise a privilege leads to obvious consequences; such as, begging government for permission to do things WE ALREADY HAVE A RIGHT TO AS DETAILED IN OUR LAWS.
Everyone in this thread is crying over their beer that the State of NY has curtailed their RKBA, and yet just about every single person posing in this thread GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH THE PERMITTING SCHEME.
Now, years ago, after encouraging people to refuse to go along with the the UnSafe Act, when the "lifetime" permit to Keep and/or Bear a handgun in this state turned into a "5 year recert," I gave many of the same people in this thread some oddball advice.
Namely, to throw that permission slip away, and refuse to go along with the scheme any longer.
None of us in NY were around in 1911 when the scheme came into being. It was "the way things are" and what people in this state were stuck with because their ancestors had gone along with it. Most recognized that the process to get a premise or a conceal carry permit was onerous, unconstitutional, and so on. That being said, for those without a criminal record, it was a "lifetime" permit as long as people followed the rules, and "allowed for" quite a lot of "freedom" for self-defense.
Now lots of people on these forums stated that the 5 year recert was probably going to lead to worse consequences for NYers who wanted to own hand guns, so I was not some prophet or seer in pointing out what others were also seeing on how things were going. However, I was basically the ONLY person who recommended that NYers throw those damn permission slips in the trash and refuse to go along with the permitting schemes the evil bastards in Albany were going to keep coming up with to curtail our Rights for as long as we were willing to go along with them.
Now here we are years later, and everyone is bemoaning the fact that "we" are somehow still "waiting to get our rights back."
Though I do not post a lot, I am a long time participant going back to the old NY Firearms forum. I have consistently stated that NYers need to stop gambling in the casinos, so to speak, where the house (Albany) always wins when it comes to the RKBA. There are reasons I don't post a lot, and one of them is the fact that I typically don't like to say anything unless I think I actually have something worth saying.
Since you have intimated that "we" are waiting on our rights, I took your statement at face value; that you were including "me" in that "waiting" given that I have posted numerous times in this very thread, and have never made any bones about speaking my mind on this forum.
Well, I am NOT part of the "we" in this equation. I exercise my Rights as I see fit, just as I speak my mind.
There are 3-4 million freaking hand gun permit holders in this freaking state, for God's sake! If you folks would simply STOP PLAYING THE GAME AND GET OFF THE MERRY GO ROUND, the retards running this "state" wouldn't know whether to shit or go blind!
Instead, NYers keep lining up for their permission slips, and keep reaching into their wallets, to appease people in Albany who will never be appeased until everyone in this state are DISARMED.
The one bright light after UnSafe was the fact that most people in NY refused to register their rifles. Of course, most complied by modifying them to get around the registration scheme, so there still was compliance even if almost everything people had was "readily convertible" to their pre-UnSafe status.
The boo hoo hoo from the crybabies regarding the new permitting schemes is utterly pathetic. Everyone in NY who rails about Infringement goes right along with it, so too bad!
Well, I refuse to ask for permission to exercise my Rights guaranteed by the Constitution. I'm sorry the rest of you keep complying.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: when Whorecul puts out a new mandate that men in this state will have to service her "needs" and "appetites" in order to get a permission slip, there are lots of NY "men" that will line right up for that, rubbers and KY jelly in hand.
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JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Quite the rant there John. So, i only have one simple question, sir. How do YOU get YOUR handguns, without the "permission slip"?
Maybe if the rest of us knew how to obtain our handguns without a "permission slip", legally, less people would be "crying" about it.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
So you’re saying we should all be super felons and just not care because that will accomplish what? We will still need the permission slip or face arrest. Most people will never use a pistol in a self defense situation so you’re risking a felony for what? Now don’t get me wrong I’m at the point where I’m not going to budge on much more but a felony would ruin my life. I’d lose my job, my wife would probably leave me, I’d lose everything I have worked for, I’d lose my home and that’s just not worth it to me. Call me a pussy or whatever you want but I’ll turn and run out of NYS someday and that’s my plan. Nys has nothing left to fight for. I hate this state and everything except the landscape.
ManualF150
.308 Win
The politicians are ruining the landscape... heck, they don't even want us using the friggin Adirondack trails.
Farming in NY has gone to the shitter, and where there was farms, they took it over and turned it into a strip mall or housing. I got plenty of places I can go on and on and on about this.
Farming in NY has gone to the shitter, and where there was farms, they took it over and turned it into a strip mall or housing. I got plenty of places I can go on and on and on about this.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
SCOTUS Smackdown!! 2nd Circuit Expedites 5 Gun Control Challenges To Hearings On The Same Day! 3/20/2023
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
A very close friend of mine is named in one of the 5 cases. I`m hoping he wins. But i`m not getting my hopes up. The tyrants will just ATF`it, change some wording and meanings around, and right back to a court again in a different named lawsuit, with the exact same goals. They have UNLIMITED FUNDS, (your tax dollars) to keep right on infringing. This BS will never stop. Just a different name on the papers with never ending lawsuits.
So I assume that you open carry, walk along 5th Avenue with an AR and somehow also manage to purchase a gun without any permit, application or background check?
Wow - incredible
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
still close to 2 months of a Right Delayed .. going from today to march
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
And so many gun laws left to destroy. Eventually, somebody is gonna run outta money fighting all this crap. It won`t be them.
Sheep are gonna have to get off the couch some day.
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Yup, rights delayed are rights denied.
spat
.700 Nitro Express
We are at the point where you either sit back and wait for the courts, or you hoist the Jolly Roger and start slitting throats.
Most of us are not ready for the second stage of that. Are you ?
JunkBoxFull
6.5 Creedmoor
Spat, he ain`t gonna do anything more than the rest of us are. Some people are only brave behind the screen. Its easy to type a rant, next thing is, is to back it up. He couldn`t answer anybody`s questions when called out. I take what he said as just ranting, blowing off steam.
I whine an complain just as much as the next guy about all the tyrannical BS, but i would still prefer waiting for the courts to bring these tyrants down. Yeah, its gonna be awhile. We`ve got a ton of catching up to do. They`ve had 200 year head start on us. It ain`t gonna get fixed overnight.
Are we all tired of this sh!t, Hell yeah, we ALL are. Is it go time yet, no, its not. Some would prefer it to be, but those who wish that, have never been in a real battle. Because if they were, they would try NOT to want bad sh!t to happen. Who knows, that day may come. It`s just not, today, for me.
CaliberPlus
.45 acp
Further, these rants divide. Kind of like the guys that cannot see that banning or "regulating" on looks of a firearm, is somehow ok.
I also hear the attacks on FFL's, "just don't comply" goes the saying, Well, there goes the license. If you don't think someone is there just waiting to snitch, well, I would disagree. Personally, we got flipped in for not playing Gestapo during the mask time. I refused to wear one. I HATED having customers wear a mask, like the apparent chick that came in with mask, dark glasses and a hat. (Nothing purchased.)
Let me clarify, most gun owners that I have met, and I have met a few, seem to be decent people. Being decent people and wanting to do the right thing did not used to be a bad thing. Like so much in this upside down world, it can now be viewed as a bad thing. Kind of like a guy can put a dress and find high heels and claim to be a chick.
I also hear the attacks on FFL's, "just don't comply" goes the saying, Well, there goes the license. If you don't think someone is there just waiting to snitch, well, I would disagree. Personally, we got flipped in for not playing Gestapo during the mask time. I refused to wear one. I HATED having customers wear a mask, like the apparent chick that came in with mask, dark glasses and a hat. (Nothing purchased.)
Let me clarify, most gun owners that I have met, and I have met a few, seem to be decent people. Being decent people and wanting to do the right thing did not used to be a bad thing. Like so much in this upside down world, it can now be viewed as a bad thing. Kind of like a guy can put a dress and find high heels and claim to be a chick.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Cool…. We can lose everything in one fell swoop. I can’t see this going our way but I’ve been wrong before…. Time will tell.
How long do you guys think it will take to get a ruling? It’s now 5 cases so it will be a few weeks in to court and a few weeks for them to decide so I’m thinking around June?
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
No doubt about it. I had a friend who told me she was helping a friend out since his dad died and lived in NY and the son lived in California. He had pistols and she was going to keep them until after probate and then hand them into an FFL to be sent to the son in California. I said no go and don’t do it because you’ll be arrested. An ffl will not do that and will call the police because they are going to think it’s a sting operation and you have no right to have those guns in your Poseidon and it’s illegal.
She listened and turn them into the local police precinct to be properly handed over to an FFL and shipped to California. Now would it be great to just take them and mail them to the kid in California yeah, but it’s risky. Apparently some on here would do it though.
byron
.308 Win
there is an exception in the case of a death
when a licensed gun owner dies, the person in charge of the decedent’s personal property would technically be in illegal possession of the decedent’s gun and guilty of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree. N.Y. Penal Law § 265.01 (Consol. 2016). However, the law provides an exemption from criminal liability for an executor or administrator or any other lawful possessor of a decedent’s firearm if, within fifteen days of the death of the gun owner, the person in possession of a decedent’s gun either i) lawfully disposes of the gun; or ii) turns the gun over to the police. N.Y. Penal Law § 265.20(a)(1)(f) (Consol. 2014). Failure to do so can result in a charge of criminal possession of a weapon in the fourth degree, a class A misdemeanor, punishable by up to one year in jail or three years of probation, and a $1,000 fine. N.Y. Penal Law § 265.01 (Consol. 2016); N.Y. Penal Law § 70.15 (Consol. 2016); N.Y. Penal Law § 80.05 (Consol. 2017).
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
He died months ago and she was legally none of those things. She was just a friend of the family and she had no legal right to have them. Anyway the estate would not be settled in 15 days so she would have kept them for months and months over that, probably closer to one year.
ManualF150
.308 Win
I guess we shall see what happens after 3/20/2023... I actually thought it was 3x it got marked as unconstitutional, but he's right, it's 5x! I actually lost count... hopefully they will just do the right thing.
But... I'm not counting on anything.
Why?
Because 3 days later Heil Hochul and her cunting constituents will make another law/act in direct defiance to the decision yet again. Round and round we go, we don't stop.
But... I'm not counting on anything.
Why?
Because 3 days later Heil Hochul and her cunting constituents will make another law/act in direct defiance to the decision yet again. Round and round we go, we don't stop.